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Obama Administration: Depressed and Disabled Veterans Should Consider Foregoing Medical Care
IsraPundit ^ | 8/19/09 | Bill Levinson

Posted on 08/19/2009 2:52:03 PM PDT by Winged Hussar

Depression, disability, and "being a financial burden" could constitute "Lebensunwerte Leben" (Life Unworthy of Life) in U.S. Government end of life planning document

"The Death Book for Veterans: Ex-soldiers don't need to be told they're a burden to society" by Jim Towey in today's (August 18) Wall Street Journal says,

    Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."
We downloaded this document directly from the Veterans Administration, and the content suggests that both family finances and depression--a non-terminal illness--could constitute Lebensunwerte Leben, or "life unworthy of life." Smoke is generally indicative of fire and, although HR 3200 says nothing about mandatory end of life planning, euthanasia, or anything else similar to Germany's Aktion T4 program--the euthanasia program that served as a precedent for the Holocaust--we have shown (http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=16320) that there is indeed fire to go with the smoke. "Your Life, Your Choices" is simply more evidence, and it even suggests that war veterans with depression consider themselves a burden on the society that sent them to war.

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1 posted on 08/19/2009 2:52:05 PM PDT by Winged Hussar
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2 posted on 08/19/2009 2:53:32 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Winged Hussar

Just plain sick. Liberals have no value for life except thier own.


3 posted on 08/19/2009 2:54:22 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Winged Hussar; STARWISE; maggief; SE Mom; Miss Didi; hoosiermama

SICKENING!!

OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE MONSTERS PING!!


4 posted on 08/19/2009 2:56:43 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Winged Hussar

You obviously have never had to sit with a lvoed one and write and advanced health care directive. If you do not have one in place the doctors will do what they want. These are legitamate questions that are asked a person when they are rational and can consider all options.

This is not an out of line set of questions. They have been asaked for decades. Families who care how their loved ones are treated should have these discussions NOW. You can paint this anyway you want but all medical care these days depends upon advance care directives —— if you do not have one you better be lucid when you hit the hospital else wise they will do what they want


5 posted on 08/19/2009 2:58:22 PM PDT by the long march
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To: Winged Hussar

..... when they pry my cold dead hands from it!


6 posted on 08/19/2009 3:00:15 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Every Time I See Him On TV, Obama Reminds Me More And More Of "Flounder" in "Animal House.")
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To: Bon mots
Obama's socialist medicine will destroy the desire to fight for life.
7 posted on 08/19/2009 3:00:47 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (It requires the willing suspension of disbelief to believe what Obama says about Healthcare reform.)
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To: the long march

There is a HUGE difference between a family working this out with their doctor, and the federal govt making this mandatory.


8 posted on 08/19/2009 3:01:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

screw the painkillers in some depressing hospital. go sailing or hiking in the wilderness.


9 posted on 08/19/2009 3:02:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Winged Hussar

Government-run health care is NOT constitutional. Period!


10 posted on 08/19/2009 3:03:23 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Winged Hussar

It’s perverse and sad that, the more we learn about God’s Only Begotten Grandson, the less President Obamengele really seems to know . . .


11 posted on 08/19/2009 3:04:17 PM PDT by BluesDuke (If you think it's wise to fool Mother Nature, just ask Father Time's divorce lawyer)
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To: Winged Hussar

This is in fact the U.S. Version of the National Socialist policy to remove “unsightly” WWI from public view. sent to Death Hospitals (my term). Hitlers view was that the concept of the healthy, master race aryan would not be served by the presence of disabled veterans.

Americans are absolutely insane to follow ANYTHING the Dummies in Congress and this Administration put forth.


12 posted on 08/19/2009 3:04:56 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: the long march

The doctors are not allowed to ‘do what they want’. Please don’t spread ‘fishy rumors’ on FR....lol.

Did you read this piece of garbage? This is ridiculous and evil..especially for our service members. End of life planning is fine as long as it is between the patient,family members and the doctor. This survey is criminal in it’s wording and intent.


13 posted on 08/19/2009 3:05:44 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Winged Hussar
Started under Clinton. Killed by Bush. Reinstated by Obama. Oh, how compassionate are liberals, pulling the plug on war heroes.
14 posted on 08/19/2009 3:06:48 PM PDT by Always Right (It is not the Townhall crowds that are manufactured, but the Health Care Crisis that is manufactured)
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To: Winged Hussar

I bet a lot of Old Timers voted for Obama and, unless connected, they really are going to get pounded.


15 posted on 08/19/2009 3:07:04 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: driftdiver

If you have debilitating pain, hiking or sailing are usually low on your list of priorities. Unless you meant hiking or sailing WITH the painkillers? Now that might be a fun way to go out...


16 posted on 08/19/2009 3:08:44 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: Bon mots

The Liberal Democrats subjected Terri Schiavo to the most Horrific Execution Possible! They Dehydrated and Starved Terri Schavo to an Excruciating Death! Her Family Loved and Pleaded to be Permitted to care for Terri, Her Alleged Husband had tried to Murder Her Years Before and was Finally Successful with The Help of The Euthanasia Industry and The Democrats! But the RATS say Waterboarding is too Harsh for Khalid Shiek Muhhammed!


17 posted on 08/19/2009 3:09:11 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Winged Hussar

My sister has dialysis.... I guess she is going to be dead meat when these people take over


18 posted on 08/19/2009 3:09:14 PM PDT by GeronL (Pro-Freedom Fiction Writers Unite! - http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: Winged Hussar; LUV W; SandRat; SE Mom; ohioWfan; mystery-ak; silent_jonny; Kathy in Alaska; ...

How DARE they!!

Every day, something more outrageous
than the today before.

This madness must end!

God bless, protect and
help our brave troops.


19 posted on 08/19/2009 3:09:33 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: the long march

“He is depressed”

“OK, we’ll kill him for you”


20 posted on 08/19/2009 3:10:04 PM PDT by GeronL (Pro-Freedom Fiction Writers Unite! - http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: Bon mots

I Guess being diagnosed with PTSD is a death sentence for me if Obama gets his way...


21 posted on 08/19/2009 3:10:52 PM PDT by Americanwolf ("How could they not tell they had a friggin 70 foot whale hanging off their bow?" ---Tijeras_slim)
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To: Magic Fingers

worse than wasting away in a VA hospital messin yourself??


22 posted on 08/19/2009 3:11:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GeronL

on the plus side most of Hollywood is chronically depressed.


23 posted on 08/19/2009 3:11:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: the long march
You obviously have never had to sit with a lvoed one and write and advanced health care directive. If you do not have one in place the doctors will do what they want. These are legitamate questions that are asked a person when they are rational and can consider all options.

A health care proxy is a much better choice in this matter. I sat with my mother when she was dying with my whole family around the table. My eldest sister was her health care proxy that knew beliefs and wishes. No document can be written to make the all the difficult choices. None.

24 posted on 08/19/2009 3:14:46 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Nachum; bamahead

....No comment


25 posted on 08/19/2009 3:15:57 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Winged Hussar; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...

Must read!


26 posted on 08/19/2009 3:18:24 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Winged Hussar

Liberals and this adminstration are a disgrace, utter disgrace.


27 posted on 08/19/2009 3:18:30 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Winged Hussar

Ugh, I’m getting depression simply from reading the form.


28 posted on 08/19/2009 3:18:38 PM PDT by paudio (Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
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To: Winged Hussar

Let’s have some of our senators and congresscritters forego medical care first and show the rest of us how it’s done.

Byrd, Kennedy, Specter.....any volunteers???


29 posted on 08/19/2009 3:20:17 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Barack Obama: Worst. President. Ever.)
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To: frogjerk
THAT is exactly WHY this should never be allowed to be forced on the American people. If A person has a reasonable expectation of Death in the near future. As much as families hate the thought, the person should sit them down and say LISTEN to ME. ONE person chosen by the ill person should be in charge of all decisions. And put it in writing. At least the person will know that someone that cares about them is making the decisions...not some faceless monster bureaucrat
30 posted on 08/19/2009 3:21:36 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: the long march; penelopesire

“m. I can no longer think clearly-I am confused all the time.”

Disgusting! The circled items speak for themselves. If one is always confused would one have the clarity to answer ‘m?’ The wrong medication or other complications could add to this factor.

The most important assessment is the medical prognosis. It is up to the the patient/family and medical team to decided on a case by case basis ... NOT THE GOVERNMENT.


31 posted on 08/19/2009 3:22:16 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief; All

We need this confirmed and I don’t want to do it.


32 posted on 08/19/2009 3:29:06 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: maggief

It’s obvious what the Obama administration is trying to do here...guilt vets into offing themselves for the ‘greater good’. It is despicable and evil! Geez...no wonder our vets get depressed!

GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH FOR SEEING THE EVIL INHERENT IN THIS ‘FORM’! Obama is a cold calculating man.


33 posted on 08/19/2009 3:29:46 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: maggief
"I can no longer control my bladder"

There goes half of the French Military!

34 posted on 08/19/2009 3:30:25 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Winged Hussar

(bending over)
*BARF*
According to Hussein, my life and the lives of my ancestors and descendants mean absolutely NOTHING!

My heart hurts for my grandchildren...


35 posted on 08/19/2009 3:32:34 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: the long march
Those questions are cold and suggestive. I used legalzoom.com to do a family member's will and living will, and the questions were nothing like that.

I also made sure that family member sat on them for awhile to make sure the choices were well understood and thought over.

Fortunately, that family member survived the operation, and will probably outlive me.

36 posted on 08/19/2009 3:35:24 PM PDT by 4woodenboats
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To: frogjerk

LINE OF THE DAY!


37 posted on 08/19/2009 3:35:32 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (An oath to a liar is no oath at all)
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To: Winged Hussar

I never, in my wildest dreams, think that there would come a day such as this. Serve your country, get served with this. WAKE UP AMERICA!


38 posted on 08/19/2009 3:35:57 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Winged Hussar
"being a financial burden"

This is the heart of Obama's healthcare plan. Make everyone feel guilty for living over the age of 65.

39 posted on 08/19/2009 3:36:11 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Winged Hussar

What country am I living in. It is NOT the USA.

I have just had it.


40 posted on 08/19/2009 3:36:12 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Winged Hussar
Use Their Words Against Them
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41 posted on 08/19/2009 3:36:19 PM PDT by Jeffrey_D. (veritas odium parit)
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To: penelopesire

Think of this: if the $900 billion Porkulus had been skipped, and if it takes a million dollars to save a life (exaggerating for effect) then that could have saved 900,000 lives and we would be no worse off than before.


42 posted on 08/19/2009 3:36:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: Monkey Face

There should be another statement to choose: “I think the Obama administration should eff off.”


43 posted on 08/19/2009 3:39:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: Winged Hussar; All
 
44 posted on 08/19/2009 3:39:10 PM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: Magic Fingers
Now that might be a fun way to go out...

Fun can be addicting.

45 posted on 08/19/2009 3:39:48 PM PDT by 4woodenboats
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To: Jeffrey_D.

HELL YEAH GIVE THEM THE FULL ALINSKY! THEY DESERVE IT!


46 posted on 08/19/2009 3:40:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (59 million Americans joined hands and shouted, "Yes, We Can March off This Cliff!")
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To: penelopesire

“p. My situation causes severe emotional for my family (such as feeling worried or stressed all the time).”

I feel deeply sorry for anyone who could not check that box.

(Poor Toots.)


47 posted on 08/19/2009 3:41:33 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Bon mots

The United States should forgo the Obama administration and abort it.


48 posted on 08/19/2009 3:41:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Winged Hussar; darkwing104; Arrowhead1952; StarCMC; MS.BEHAVIN; Kathy in Alaska

I hate these people.

Can I still say that?


49 posted on 08/19/2009 3:43:11 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Marking Time On The Government's Dime)
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To: driftdiver

That choice should be up to each individual. There is no such thing as euthanasia in a Christian society. It’s murder.While life may not be worth much to some of those in really bad shape, those questions are criminal. If there is a segment of our society that really does deserve the best care we can give them, it’s those who gave up their well-being to protect others, or at the orders of their officers.
Potential to ration health care to our soldiers and provide it for illegal aliens? How much of this are we going to put up with?


50 posted on 08/19/2009 3:44:01 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion)
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