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Obama Administration: Depressed and Disabled Veterans Should Consider Foregoing Medical Care
IsraPundit ^ | 8/19/09 | Bill Levinson

Posted on 08/19/2009 2:52:03 PM PDT by Winged Hussar

Depression, disability, and "being a financial burden" could constitute "Lebensunwerte Leben" (Life Unworthy of Life) in U.S. Government end of life planning document

"The Death Book for Veterans: Ex-soldiers don't need to be told they're a burden to society" by Jim Towey in today's (August 18) Wall Street Journal says,

    Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."
We downloaded this document directly from the Veterans Administration, and the content suggests that both family finances and depression--a non-terminal illness--could constitute Lebensunwerte Leben, or "life unworthy of life." Smoke is generally indicative of fire and, although HR 3200 says nothing about mandatory end of life planning, euthanasia, or anything else similar to Germany's Aktion T4 program--the euthanasia program that served as a precedent for the Holocaust--we have shown (http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=16320) that there is indeed fire to go with the smoke. "Your Life, Your Choices" is simply more evidence, and it even suggests that war veterans with depression consider themselves a burden on the society that sent them to war.

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To: Bon mots

I Guess being diagnosed with PTSD is a death sentence for me if Obama gets his way...


21 posted on 08/19/2009 3:10:52 PM PDT by Americanwolf ("How could they not tell they had a friggin 70 foot whale hanging off their bow?" ---Tijeras_slim)
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To: Magic Fingers

worse than wasting away in a VA hospital messin yourself??


22 posted on 08/19/2009 3:11:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GeronL

on the plus side most of Hollywood is chronically depressed.


23 posted on 08/19/2009 3:11:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: the long march
You obviously have never had to sit with a lvoed one and write and advanced health care directive. If you do not have one in place the doctors will do what they want. These are legitamate questions that are asked a person when they are rational and can consider all options.

A health care proxy is a much better choice in this matter. I sat with my mother when she was dying with my whole family around the table. My eldest sister was her health care proxy that knew beliefs and wishes. No document can be written to make the all the difficult choices. None.

24 posted on 08/19/2009 3:14:46 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Nachum; bamahead

....No comment


25 posted on 08/19/2009 3:15:57 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Winged Hussar; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...

Must read!


26 posted on 08/19/2009 3:18:24 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Winged Hussar

Liberals and this adminstration are a disgrace, utter disgrace.


27 posted on 08/19/2009 3:18:30 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Winged Hussar

Ugh, I’m getting depression simply from reading the form.


28 posted on 08/19/2009 3:18:38 PM PDT by paudio (Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
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To: Winged Hussar

Let’s have some of our senators and congresscritters forego medical care first and show the rest of us how it’s done.

Byrd, Kennedy, Specter.....any volunteers???


29 posted on 08/19/2009 3:20:17 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Barack Obama: Worst. President. Ever.)
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To: frogjerk
THAT is exactly WHY this should never be allowed to be forced on the American people. If A person has a reasonable expectation of Death in the near future. As much as families hate the thought, the person should sit them down and say LISTEN to ME. ONE person chosen by the ill person should be in charge of all decisions. And put it in writing. At least the person will know that someone that cares about them is making the decisions...not some faceless monster bureaucrat
30 posted on 08/19/2009 3:21:36 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: the long march; penelopesire

“m. I can no longer think clearly-I am confused all the time.”

Disgusting! The circled items speak for themselves. If one is always confused would one have the clarity to answer ‘m?’ The wrong medication or other complications could add to this factor.

The most important assessment is the medical prognosis. It is up to the the patient/family and medical team to decided on a case by case basis ... NOT THE GOVERNMENT.


31 posted on 08/19/2009 3:22:16 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief; All

We need this confirmed and I don’t want to do it.


32 posted on 08/19/2009 3:29:06 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: maggief

It’s obvious what the Obama administration is trying to do here...guilt vets into offing themselves for the ‘greater good’. It is despicable and evil! Geez...no wonder our vets get depressed!

GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH FOR SEEING THE EVIL INHERENT IN THIS ‘FORM’! Obama is a cold calculating man.


33 posted on 08/19/2009 3:29:46 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: maggief
"I can no longer control my bladder"

There goes half of the French Military!

34 posted on 08/19/2009 3:30:25 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Winged Hussar

(bending over)
*BARF*
According to Hussein, my life and the lives of my ancestors and descendants mean absolutely NOTHING!

My heart hurts for my grandchildren...


35 posted on 08/19/2009 3:32:34 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: the long march
Those questions are cold and suggestive. I used legalzoom.com to do a family member's will and living will, and the questions were nothing like that.

I also made sure that family member sat on them for awhile to make sure the choices were well understood and thought over.

Fortunately, that family member survived the operation, and will probably outlive me.

36 posted on 08/19/2009 3:35:24 PM PDT by 4woodenboats
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To: frogjerk

LINE OF THE DAY!


37 posted on 08/19/2009 3:35:32 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (An oath to a liar is no oath at all)
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To: Winged Hussar

I never, in my wildest dreams, think that there would come a day such as this. Serve your country, get served with this. WAKE UP AMERICA!


38 posted on 08/19/2009 3:35:57 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Winged Hussar
"being a financial burden"

This is the heart of Obama's healthcare plan. Make everyone feel guilty for living over the age of 65.

39 posted on 08/19/2009 3:36:11 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Winged Hussar

What country am I living in. It is NOT the USA.

I have just had it.


40 posted on 08/19/2009 3:36:12 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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