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Healthy Debate Doesn't Involve Threat Of Guns (Dionne barf alert!!!)
IBD Editorials ^ | August 19, 2009 | E. J, DIONNE JR. The lunatic

Posted on 08/19/2009 6:15:30 PM PDT by Kaslin

Try a thought experiment: What would conservatives have said if a group of loud, scruffy leftists had brought guns to the public events of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush?

How would our friends on the right have reacted to someone at a Reagan or a Bush speech carrying a sign that read:

"It's time to water the tree of liberty"?

That would be a reference to Thomas Jefferson's declaration that the tree "must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Pardon me, but I don't think conservatives would have spoken out in defense of the right of every American Marxist to bear arms or to shed the blood of tyrants.

In fact, the Bush folks didn't like any dissent at all. Recall the 2004 incident in which a distraught mother whose son was killed in Iraq was arrested for protesting at a rally in New Jersey for first lady Laura Bush. The detained woman wasn't even armed. Maybe if she had been, the gun lobby would have defended her.

The Obama White House purports to be open to the idea of guns outside the president's appearances. "There are laws that govern firearms that are done state or locally," Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman, said on Tuesday. "Those laws don't change when the president comes to your state or locality."

Gibbs made you think of the old line about the liberal who is so open-minded he can't even take his own side in an argument.

What needs to be addressed is not the legal question, but the message that the gun-toters are sending.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; angrymob; banglist; ibd; obama; obamacare; townhalls

1 posted on 08/19/2009 6:15:30 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: bareford101; BerniesFriend; blaveda; Bookwoman; Celeste732; dsc; FrdmLvr; FreedomPoster; ...

2 posted on 08/19/2009 6:16:41 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Perhpas somebody should tell this weasels that some left wing kook actually shot President Reagan?


3 posted on 08/19/2009 6:18:43 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (CommieCare: Need a Stent, Take a Red Pill. Next!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not exactly symmetrical. If some liberals showed up at a lefty political protest with firearms, the rest of them would be scared and would get out of there.


4 posted on 08/19/2009 6:18:57 PM PDT by Devils Avocado
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To: Kaslin

Guns on the street are a ‘threat’ only if you’re worried that you might be taking someone else’s liberties away. If the shoe fits, wear it. But don’t tread on me. I’ll bite ya.


5 posted on 08/19/2009 6:19:25 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Kaslin
"Try a thought experiment: What would conservatives have said if a group of loud, scruffy leftists had brought guns to the public events of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush?"

Firstly, most leftists/hippies/peacecreeps are afraid of firearms and think that they're "evil" and should be banned. Second, many of the pro-Reagan or Pro-Bush attendees would most likely be carrying already.

6 posted on 08/19/2009 6:20:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: Kaslin

“What would conservatives have said if a group of loud, scruffy leftists had brought guns to the public events of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush?”

How about “Ready on the left?”


7 posted on 08/19/2009 6:21:43 PM PDT by jessduntno (Privatization + Inter-State Sales + Individual Policies + Tort Reform = Healthcare Reform)
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To: Kaslin
So, DEMOCRATS and UNION THUGS and ACORN THUGS can beat people up and spit on people, and that is ok, but -—

Conservatives can't protect themselves?

Besides, I think it was a DEMOCRAT UNION THUG, in at least one instance, who was carrying a weapon, and it was a Black guy, at that!

8 posted on 08/19/2009 6:21:59 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kaslin

But it’s okay for the SEIU to engage in intimidation and beatings.


9 posted on 08/19/2009 6:22:12 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Kaslin

The fairly simple way to address this issue is to encourage liberals and Democrats who own guns in right-to-carry states to wear or carry their weapons outside of town hall events held by Republican/conservative members of congress. Then, watch our reaction. Mr. Dionne’s opinions will either be validated or refuted. Why wonder, when this can be settled within a few days?


10 posted on 08/19/2009 6:23:11 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: Kansas58

Well you can not be sure if the guy was in a Union or not


11 posted on 08/19/2009 6:31:39 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: joejm65
The fairly simple way to address this issue is to encourage liberals and Democrats who own guns in right-to-carry states to wear or carry their weapons outside of town hall events held by Republican/conservative members of congress. Then, watch our reaction. Mr. Dionne’s opinions will either be validated or refuted. Why wonder, when this can be settled within a few days?

DING! DING! DING!

We have a post of the day! IMHO

12 posted on 08/19/2009 6:31:44 PM PDT by Envisioning (Proud "Right Wing Extremist" per the DHS.......)
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To: popdonnelly

Of course. They don’t have to go by the rules


13 posted on 08/19/2009 6:33:18 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
How would our friends on the right have reacted to someone at a Reagan or a Bush speech carrying a sign that read: "It's time to water the tree of liberty"?

By thinking they were better read than I did when their signs said "Bushitler" or "Bush Lied People Died" or all the other clever things they always said.

14 posted on 08/19/2009 6:34:28 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Kaslin
Well, the Union Thugs in St. Louis were wearing SEIU Union purple T-Shirts.
And, they were rather easy to identify.
15 posted on 08/19/2009 6:35:23 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kaslin
"Pardon me, but I don't think conservatives would have spoken out in defense of the right of every American Marxist to bear arms or to shed the blood of tyrants."

Actually, the real conservative response would be "I disagree with their politics, but as citizens, they have every right to keep and bear arms", as long as they do so lawfully.

16 posted on 08/19/2009 6:42:39 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Kaslin
Didn't some Black Panthers show up at a Republican convention in Texas some years ago brandishing firearms?
I know, it wasn't widely reported by the MSM, so maybe it didn't really happen. /sarc
17 posted on 08/19/2009 6:48:14 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: jessduntno

Your post is definitely the post of the day! Nice one.


18 posted on 08/19/2009 6:55:13 PM PDT by Cheeks (http://www.appleseedinfo.org/)
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To: jwalsh07

Yes !! We have a winner!! The difference is - when the leftists bring guns - they are concealed because they intend to use them.


19 posted on 08/19/2009 7:14:45 PM PDT by CTyank
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To: Kaslin

Perhaps it had something to do with union thugs beating a black man?


20 posted on 08/19/2009 7:17:43 PM PDT by GVnana (Sarah for America)
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To: Kaslin

Oh for goodness sake, E.J. Man up you frightened little twerp.


21 posted on 08/19/2009 7:33:06 PM PDT by mort56 (He who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither. - Ben Franklin)
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To: GVnana

Could be


22 posted on 08/19/2009 7:40:00 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
It was not at a convention, but it was at a voting poll in Philidelphia

"Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly

23 posted on 08/19/2009 7:46:50 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Actually, the real conservative response would be "I disagree with their politics, but as citizens, they have every right to keep and bear arms", as long as they do so lawfully.

Bump

24 posted on 08/19/2009 7:50:45 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
Try a thought experiment: What would conservatives have said if a group of loud, scruffy leftists...

That's all the further I read.

Let me get this straight, if possible. One day the loud people are Brooks Brothers clad, then next they are scruffy (assuming he's attempting to have us substitute rightists for leftists).

I'm so confused, they are going to make my head explode.

25 posted on 08/19/2009 8:08:45 PM PDT by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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Is this moron trying to convince me I wouldn’t defend the right of a citizen to keep and bear arms merely because his ideology differs from my own? Give me a break. It is the progs who think the bill of rights only applies to them, not conservatives.


26 posted on 08/19/2009 9:38:45 PM PDT by KarinG1 (You're just jealous because the voices don't talk to you.)
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To: Kaslin

self ping to reply to this rooster-sucking communist later.


27 posted on 08/20/2009 12:47:57 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member))
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To: Kaslin
What needs to be addressed is not the legal question, but the message that the gun-toters are sending.

INDEED!!


(And just what IS that 'message'?)


 
 

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28 posted on 08/20/2009 3:04:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

How does the author think laws are enforced?


29 posted on 08/20/2009 6:13:43 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: Kaslin

Hey, EJ, you moron!

How do you think the government intends to coerce everyone to comply with its policies?

GUNS, you idiot!


30 posted on 08/20/2009 6:15:12 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Kaslin

I have been threatened by a Union member at Norristown High School, PA protesting Clinton. If I can carry with my CCW in a state, you can bet I am armed.


31 posted on 08/20/2009 6:17:32 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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