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Did Obama's grandmother say he was born in Kenya ?
WorldNetDaily ^ | August 20, 2009 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 08/20/2009 5:12:50 PM PDT by RobinMasters

Although no evidence has surfaced placing Barack Obama's mother in Kenya at the time of the president's birth, a taped telephone conversation in which his Kenyan step-grandmother purportedly claims he was born in the coastal city of Mombasa has become an Internet hit since its submission as evidence in a lawsuit challenging the president's eligibility.

Philip J. Berg, a former Pennsylvania deputy attorney general, included a transcript of the tape and sworn affidavits in a filing with the U.S. Supreme Court after lower courts dismissed as frivolous his Aug. 21, 2008, complaint alleging Obama was born in Mombasa.

The Oct. 16, 2008, telephone "interview" was conducted by American Christian minister Ron McRae, who describes himself in his affidavit as an overseer of the Anabaptist Churches in North America and a "Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery."

McRae, who called from Detroit, says Sarah Obama was in a public setting with several hundred people listening to the telephone call on a speakerphone. The interpreter was Vitalis Akech Ogombe, the community chairman of Sarah Obama's village of Nyang'oma Kogelo in Western Kenya, 30 miles west of the Lake Victoria-city of Kisumu.

Barack Obama and his step-grandmother Sarah Hussein Obama

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 08/20/2009 5:12:51 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Obama releasing his original long form birth certificate, Occidental College records and passport used to travel to Pakistan in 1981 will answer many questions.


2 posted on 08/20/2009 5:20:13 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american

You would think by now zer0 would get his brother off the dirt floor he is sleeping on, and into a real house.


3 posted on 08/20/2009 5:24:18 PM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: RobinMasters

She said that Barack SENIOR was born in Kenya and she watched him be born. Not JUNIOR.

I am a birther, I don’t think Obama was born in Hawaii or was born before Hawaii became a state. But I don’t think people understand this situation with Obama’s grandmother and her witnessing his FATHER’s BIRTH.

People try to place Christian/American principles on a muslim/African society.


4 posted on 08/20/2009 5:27:10 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: RobinMasters

Linky no worky?


5 posted on 08/20/2009 5:38:36 PM PDT by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: reefdiver

.... and it says alot about Hussein the way he treated his grandmother.


6 posted on 08/20/2009 5:43:35 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: autumnraine
But I don’t think people understand this situation with Obama’s grandmother and her witnessing his FATHER’s BIRTH.

Obama’s grandmother would be Barack SENIOR mother... Isn't it a redundant statement for a mother to to say she watched herself giving birth to her own son?

Why would she be talking about Barack SENIOR, being born in Kenya and she watched him be born?...It would make no sense for her to comment on the obvious...

7 posted on 08/20/2009 5:44:06 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: RobinMasters

The link to this article is not working could you please post the correct link.


8 posted on 08/20/2009 5:46:40 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

The link was the good link. Maybe WND was removed the article temporarily.


9 posted on 08/20/2009 5:49:17 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Did you test it before posting this article?


10 posted on 08/20/2009 5:51:39 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Yes, I did. I always test the articles before to post them.


11 posted on 08/20/2009 5:53:05 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: shield

It happened twice for this article too :

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=107337

WND changed the article link AFTER I’ve posted it here.


12 posted on 08/20/2009 5:54:34 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
Here is the rest of the article...link is not working.

“In the ensuing public conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, ‘Were you present when your grandson was born in Kenya?’” McRae testified in his sworn statement. “This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born.”

Critics point out many reasons to be skeptical of the claim, including the possibility something was lost in the translation between an American minister who presupposed Obama was born in Kenya and an elderly African woman who reportedly knows no English. Amid cross-talk in a combination of English, Swahili and the local Luo tribal dialect, could she have understood McRae simply to be asking where she was when Barack Obama Jr. was born?

Moreover, the critics argue, her interpreter immediately clarified that her famous grandson was born in Hawaii, not Kenya.

Many versions of the tape posted by bloggers who contend it is evidence Obama was born in Kenya are cut off immediately after the point where the grandmother apparently affirms her presence at the birth. The truncated versions leave out the section in which the interpreter insists she actually mean the birth took place in the U.S.

In addition, a March 27, 2007, story by Tim Jones of the Tribune news service recounts how Sarah Obama received a letter from Barack Obama Sr telling of his plan to marry Stanley Ann Dunham. Sarah Hussein’s husband, Hussein Onyango Obama, was said to be angered by the news. Six months later, Jones reported, the Kenyan family received a letter announcing the Aug. 4, 1961, birth. The Tribune reporter noted an interview with Sarah Obama in which she said she was “so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S.”

Aside from the inference that the grandmother first learned of the birth through a letter, the Kenyan patriarch’s anger over the marriage makes it even more unlikely Ann Dunham would have traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy.

Nevertheless, two members of Sarah Hussein Obama’s Luo tribe who are fluent in the local Luo dialect, Swahlili and English told WND that after carefully listening to the tape they believe she declared Barack Obama Jr. was born in Mombasa, Kenya, and that she was present at the birth.

Tale of the tape

Sarah Hussein Obama, who is not a blood relative of the president’s, is the third wife of Obama’s paternal grandfather. According to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, who visited her village during the presidential campaign, the grandmother is illiterate and doesn’t know when she was born. Several news reports say she was born in 1922.

The controversy over the tape centers on the interpreter, who at the end interjects repeatedly that the grandmother said Obama was born in Hawaii.

One of the WND sources who listened to the tape knows Sarah Obama and has met with her in her home village. The other holds a respected position in the Kenyan government.

The source who knows the grandmother declared: “I have keenly and attentively listened to the tape over and over again, and I can confirm from Sarah’s own confession that Barack Obama was born in Kenya in her presence.”

The source said that while Sarah Obama’ voice is hard to hear on the recording, “she admits of actually having been there at his birth.”

He said that while the people in the room with Sarah Obama “tried as much as they [could] to change the tone of the whole story … to me it seems someone is coaching her from the background and seemingly trying to guide her on what to say.”

The Kenyan government source agreed.

“I have listened to the tape,” he said. “The preacher asked whether Barack Obama was born in Mombasa, and the translator asked the same. When she said Mombasa, it was like a surprise, and those there thought she could not have meant to say Mombasa.”

The source said that at that point “they began insisting Hawaii was where Barack Obama was born.”

Sarah Obama can be heard uttering “Mombasa” in response to McRae’s question about where Obama was born.

The audio tape of the interview can be heard here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY6bPYKLjNw

At this point a confused discussion erupts in the background in Kogelo.

McRae explained the disruption as follows:

Though, some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Huseein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States.

When Mr. Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama’s clear responses to the question, verifying the birth Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the United States!

But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was indeed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya,” McRae concluded.

A second affidavit was sworn by Kenyan Anabaptist minister Rev. Kweli Shuhubia http://www.scribd.com/doc/18010847/Berg-v-Obama-Kweli-Shuhubia-Affidavit , a pseudonym chosen to protect his safety.

Shuhubia, a native evangelist and translator for the Anabaptist churches in Kenya, was present in Kogelo during the taped telephone conversation.

Shuhubia’s recollection of the conversation agrees with McRae’s and the interpretation of the interview by WND’s sources in Kenya.

Bishop McRae asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” This was asked to here in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied, “Yes.”

It appeared Ms. Obama’s relatives and her grandson, handling the translation, had obviously been versed to counter such facts with the purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii. Despite this, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States.

When Ms. Obama’s grandson attempted to counter his grandmother’s clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, Bishop McRae asked her grandson, how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but the grandson would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the United States!”

Shuhubia also testified in his affidavit that Sarah Obama “never changed her reply” that she was present in person when Senator Obama was born in Kenya.

He further testified that he traveled to Mombasa, Kenya, where he interviewed personnel at Coast Provincial Hospital

“I then had meetings with the Provincial Civil Registrar,” he swore. “I learned there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama, III, in Mombasa, Kenya, on Aug. 4, 1961.

“I spoke directly with an Official, the Principal Registrar, who openly confirmed the birthing records of Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. and his mother were present, however the file on Barack H. Obama Jr.’s birth in Kenya is top secret,” he stated.

13 posted on 08/20/2009 6:01:18 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: RobinMasters

I posted the rest of the article per your request. Takes a little time with html plus several links.


14 posted on 08/20/2009 6:03:00 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Thank you.


15 posted on 08/20/2009 6:06:54 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: reefdiver

He IS his Brother’s keeper he said so this week.


16 posted on 08/20/2009 6:13:06 PM PDT by omega4179 (-9 dptp I0)
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To: RobinMasters; hoosiermama; BP2
I see Barak H Obama is not a junior but III...the last part of this article is a killer!!!! Someone needs to alert the author of the correct way the name is spelled. Even BO spelled it that way upto a few years ago.

Shuhubia also testified in his affidavit that Sarah Obama “never changed her reply” that she was present in person when Senator Obama was born in Kenya.

He further testified that he traveled to Mombasa, Kenya, where he interviewed personnel at Coast Provincial Hospital

“I then had meetings with the Provincial Civil Registrar,” he swore. “I learned there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama, III, in Mombasa, Kenya, on Aug. 4, 1961.

“I spoke directly with an Official, the Principal Registrar, who openly confirmed the birthing records of Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. and his mother were present, however the file on Barack H. Obama Jr.’s birth in Kenya is top secret,” he stated.

17 posted on 08/20/2009 6:17:14 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: RobinMasters

Unbelievable that the man in that picture is the president of the United States of America, the greatest country in the world. I have to pinch myself sometimes in order to face this horrid reality. What an embarrassment.


18 posted on 08/20/2009 6:20:40 PM PDT by rep-always
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“Obama’s grandmother would be Barack SENIOR mother... Isn’t it a redundant statement for a mother to to say she watched herself giving birth to her own son?”

No, as I said, you are placing your own Christian/American mindset over a muslim/African way of life.

Barack Obama’s GRANDMOTHER is his father’s sort of stepmother.

Sarah is his grandmother by being his grandfather’s THIRD WIFE. Barack SENIOR was born to Obama’s SECOND WIFE. Therefore, the third wife (the ‘grandmother’ in question) watched her sister wife give birth to Obama SENIOR. After Obama SENIOR’S birth mother left the ‘marraige’ and tribe, Sarah, the third wife, took over as SENIOR’S ‘mother’.


19 posted on 08/20/2009 6:52:42 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: reefdiver

And his aunt out of the projects.


20 posted on 08/20/2009 6:54:44 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Caution: Angry crowds in the mirror are LARGER than they appear.)
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To: autumnraine

In 1961 Sarah was living in Jericho which is a suburb of Nairobi. Sr considered her house his home. He had prepared to take the exam from the American Embassy that was to qualify him for scholarship to go to U of HI, with two missionary teachers.

Yes, His biological mother had left his father by then.

Who gave the interview that said they called SADO “Toot Annie”? That is where the “toot” came from that BO later called his grandmother.

Was it his aunt? Or a half sister?


21 posted on 08/20/2009 7:05:55 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: real_patriotic_american

Can anyone show me a picture of his grandparents and his kids together? Or even with his lovely wife? Anyone, anyone?


22 posted on 08/20/2009 7:09:12 PM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: reefdiver

His brother (maybe) is a drug addict and in the last article I read about him, he said he is happy with his life.
It would have been nice if he had kept his word to the people who run the high school in his father’s(maybe) village which is named after him if he had personnally given or raised some money to help them out like he said he would.


23 posted on 08/20/2009 7:35:15 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: autumnraine

As I remember, she initially said that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya but immediately change her tune in the next breath saying Obama was born in Hawaii. Whether this was because Obama’s paternal grandmother remembering her instruction given to her to say that, or another person in the room, the interpreter, reminding her to, or like you say she was referring to Sr.


24 posted on 08/20/2009 7:41:07 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: cameraeye

“Can anyone show me a picture of his grandparents and his kids together? Or even with his lovely wife? Anyone, anyone?”

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Yes. http://www.barack-obama-photos.com/obama_family_hawaii.jpg

There’s others.


25 posted on 08/20/2009 9:43:24 PM PDT by Redwood Bob (Peter Schiff for U.S. Senate 2010!)
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To: real_patriotic_american
Is Obama's grandmother's signature on Obama's 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate---the one with spaces for a doctor signature and a hospital name---as a WITNESS to Obama's birth?

That is, in 1961, did Grandma Dunham LIE on Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate by signing her name in the WITNESS space, when, in reality, she NEVER "witnessed" Obama's non-hospital birth?

1. Could the main reason that Obama is spending $500,000 to $1,000,000, and counting, to have high-priced lawyers fight to keep Obama's long form birth certificate and Obama's Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records out of the courts and out of the dirty hands of birthers be this: Grandma Dunham's signature is in the space for "witness"?

2. 1961 Hawaii peculiar birth certificate rules: Remember, way back in 1961, Hawaii allowed parents to merely mail in a child's birth certificate if the child was NOT born in a hospital. The doctor and midwife spaces could be left empty if a doctor or midwife was not present at the birth.

3. However, as I understand it, someone had to sign as a WITNESS to the home birth.

4. My theory is this: Obama was NOT born in a Hawaii hospital, and so one reason he is fighting so hard to keep his long form birth certificate from being displayed in court for everyone to see is that there is no hospital name on his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate.

5. But if Obama was NOT born in a hospital and NOT under the care of a doctor or midwife, then who was the WITNESS who signed the birth certificate stating that he/she was a witness to Obama's birth before the birth certificate was mailed to the Hawaii vital statistics department?

6. There had to be a WITNESS signature. How about Grandma Dunham being that WITNESS?

7. Did Grandma Dunham sign it?

8. How about this theory: The main reason that Obama does not want us to see his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate is that Grandma Dunham signed it, that is, she LIED that she was a WITNESS to Obama's birth, when, in reality, Grandma Dunham was not at Obama's birth at all.

9. So, I say this: Obama must stand up and be a man by allowing Hawaii to release his 1961 birth certificate so that we can find out that a doctor signed or did not sign the birth certificate as the WITNESS to Obama's birth.

10. However, if we find out that a doctor did not sign Obama's birth certificate, then, sadly, we may find out that it was Grandma Dunham who LIED and signed the birth certificate as a WITNESS to Obama's birth.

26 posted on 08/20/2009 10:23:20 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: tophat9000
"Obama’s grandmother would be Barack SENIOR mother..."

This women who is always referred to as Obama's grandmother is no blood relation to him. She is Obama's grandfather's third wife,Sarah Onyango Obama. The mother of Barack Obama Senior was his second wife, Habiba Akumu Obama. She ultimately left her husband and (3) children. Third wife Sarah was born in 1922 and Barack Sr. in 1936. That would mean that she was fourteen at the time of that birth.

Akumu Obama and Barack Obama Sr.

27 posted on 08/21/2009 3:38:47 AM PDT by Mila
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To: cameraeye
"Can anyone show me a picture of his grandparents and his kids together? Or even with his lovely wife? Anyone, anyone?"


28 posted on 08/21/2009 3:44:07 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Mila

awk! memo to self: always dress as tho 300 million people are going to be checking the picture out in 5 years....


29 posted on 08/21/2009 5:15:24 AM PDT by bitt (Hey Nanzi Pelosi, ...we are not a MOB, we are the Brooks BrotherHood.)
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To: john mirse; cameraeye

Your comments strengthen my opinion that Obama was born in Kenya and that his grandparents could have mailed in the birth certificate to Hawaii. BTW, I’ve read that Obama has spent over $1.4 million in legal fees.

“john mirse” wrote-

“Is Obama’s grandmother’s signature on Obama’s 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate-—the one with spaces for a doctor signature and a hospital name-—as a WITNESS to Obama’s birth?
That is, in 1961, did Grandma Dunham LIE on Obama’s Hawaii long form birth certificate by signing her name in the WITNESS space, when, in reality, she NEVER “witnessed” Obama’s non-hospital birth?

1. Could the main reason that Obama is spending $500,000 to $1,000,000, and counting, to have high-priced lawyers fight to keep Obama’s long form birth certificate and Obama’s Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records out of the courts and out of the dirty hands of birthers be this: Grandma Dunham’s signature is in the space for “witness”?

2. 1961 Hawaii peculiar birth certificate rules: Remember, way back in 1961, Hawaii allowed parents to merely mail in a child’s birth certificate if the child was NOT born in a hospital. The doctor and midwife spaces could be left empty if a doctor or midwife was not present at the birth.

3. However, as I understand it, someone had to sign as a WITNESS to the home birth.

4. My theory is this: Obama was NOT born in a Hawaii hospital, and so one reason he is fighting so hard to keep his long form birth certificate from being displayed in court for everyone to see is that there is no hospital name on his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate.

5. But if Obama was NOT born in a hospital and NOT under the care of a doctor or midwife, then who was the WITNESS who signed the birth certificate stating that he/she was a witness to Obama’s birth before the birth certificate was mailed to the Hawaii vital statistics department?

6. There had to be a WITNESS signature. How about Grandma Dunham being that WITNESS?

7. Did Grandma Dunham sign it?

8. How about this theory: The main reason that Obama does not want us to see his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate is that Grandma Dunham signed it, that is, she LIED that she was a WITNESS to Obama’s birth, when, in reality, Grandma Dunham was not at Obama’s birth at all.

9. So, I say this: Obama must stand up and be a man by allowing Hawaii to release his 1961 birth certificate so that we can find out that a doctor signed or did not sign the birth certificate as the WITNESS to Obama’s birth.

10. However, if we find out that a doctor did not sign Obama’s birth certificate, then, sadly, we may find out that it was Grandma Dunham who LIED and signed the birth certificate as a WITNESS to Obama’s birth.”


30 posted on 08/21/2009 5:16:36 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Mila

This is the first time I have ever seen this photograph. Thank you for sharing with me. I stand corrected.


31 posted on 08/21/2009 8:15:27 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: tophat9000

No, she was the FIRST WIFE of Obama grandfather, witnessing the birth of second wife’s baby, Barack Senior.

She is his step-grandmother.


32 posted on 08/21/2009 9:38:35 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: tophat9000
Obama’s grandmother would be Barack SENIOR mother... Isn't it a redundant statement for a mother to to say she watched herself giving birth to her own son?

Read slowly, she, Sarah, is not BHO Senior's mother, but rather another wife of BHO Senior's father. They were Muslims, or at least BHO's Kenyan grandfather was, and could have more than one wife at a time.

So it's possible she would be present at the birth of BHO Sr, but not "giving birth" to him.

But that is not what the WND translations of the interview say. They say she insists that she was present, in Momabasa, when BHO Jr. was born.

33 posted on 08/21/2009 11:40:21 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: omega4179
He IS his Brother’s keeper he said so this week.

No, he said WE are our brother's keeper. It's our money, not so much his, that he wants to spend like a drunken sailor. Well not quite, the way he is spending and planning to spend would make a drunken sailor take the pledge.

34 posted on 08/21/2009 11:42:56 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Red Steel
As I remember, she initially said that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya but immediately change her tune in the next breath saying Obama was born in Hawaii

Not according the article. Other people present said that BHO Jr was born in Hawaii, or the United States, but not Grannie Sarah. She stuck to her guns. I think I actually kind of like her. Of course she's no blood relation to BHO, which is a big point in her favor.

35 posted on 08/21/2009 11:46:11 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: tophat9000

She wasn’t Barack Senior’s mother, but another of his father’s wives.
But why ascribe such a confusion to her?


36 posted on 08/25/2009 12:17:19 AM PDT by Vincent Jappi
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