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Ted Kennedy leaves mixed Catholic legacy
cna ^ | August 26, 2009

Posted on 08/26/2009 1:07:04 PM PDT by NYer

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy

Boston, Mass., Aug 26, 2009 / 01:01 pm (CNA).- Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) passed away last night at the age of 77 after a battle with brain cancer.  Kennedy, a Catholic, will be remembered for his service to the poor, and dedication to education but also his opposition to pro-life issues.

After a long struggle with brain cancer, last night Sen. Kennedy took a turn for the worse while at his home in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts.  Surrounded by his family members and a priest, Fr. Patrick Tarrant, he passed away around 11:30 p.m.

Fr. Tarrant told BostonChannel.com that Kennedy died while his family prayed.  “They'd been praying all day, and it was a wonderful experience for me. I don't see it that often," Tarrant said.

Kennedy, known as “Ted” was the younger brother of both U.S. President John F. Kennedy and Sen. (D-NY) Robert Kennedy who were both assassinated in the 1960s.  Their sister, Eunice Kennedy Schriver, who was lauded by the pro-life community died exactly two weeks ago at the age of 88. 

The family released a statement following his death saying, “We’ve lost the irreplaceable center of our family and joyous light in our lives, but the inspiration of his faith, optimism, and perseverance will live on in our hearts forever.” 

Cardinal Sean O’Malley, the Archbishop of Boston also emphasized Kennedy’s devotion to social work as well as his loving family who “stood by his side” as he “faced his illness with courage, dignity and strength.”

“For nearly half a century, Senator Kennedy was often a champion for the poor, the less fortunate and those seeking a better life.  Across Massachusetts and the nation, his legacy will be carried on through the lives of those he served,” the cardinal said in a statement. 
 
Archbishop Daniel Wurel of Washington, D.C. also offered his condolences to Kennedy’s family and emphasized the senator’s commitments to “alleviating poverty” as well as his strong support of the area’s Catholic schools. 

Wurel recalled that for five years, the senator and Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) organized a dinner to benefit the schools.  “As a result, thousands of disadvantaged children in the District of Columbia have had their lives transformed through a quality Catholic education."

Both Wurel and O’Malley offered to pray for the repose of Kennedy’s soul and that his family may find strength in Christ.

Kennedy's political aspirations were curtailed by an incident in 1969, when he accidentally drove his car off a bridge on Chappaquiddick island in Massachusetts.  While Kennedy was able to escape from the car, his passenger, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne could not free herself and drowned.

Kennedy did not report the accident until nearly nine hours later. 

With so many questions as to why he waited to contact the police as well as with his fragmented account of the incident, his aspirations for the U.S. presidency remained unfulfilled.

Kennedy was involved in other controversies.  As a Catholic, though he worked hard for the poor, he was criticized by bishops and pro-life leaders for supporting Roe v. Wade, the use of fetal tissue in experiments and for voting against a ban on partial-birth abortion.

Although he did not support legalized abortion early in his political career, he later earned a 100% NARAL Pro-Choice America rating.  In contrast, Kennedy was rated as voting 0% of the time on pro-life issues.

Sen. Ted Kennedy will be buried in Arlington National Cemetery next to his brothers John and Robert.


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1 posted on 08/26/2009 1:07:06 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 08/26/2009 1:08:13 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Being against killing the guilty (death penalty), but for abortion (killing the innocent) along with his treason with Russia has NOTHING to do with Catholicism.

IMO the Church should have grown a pair and excommunicated him decades ago.

3 posted on 08/26/2009 1:09:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NYer
1) Divorced and remarried

2) Abortion advocate

4 posted on 08/26/2009 1:09:55 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: NYer

Sorry..pro-abort
All he every did was spend other peoples money (taxes)and led a life of debauchery.
don’t try to make him a “good” Catholic now.


5 posted on 08/26/2009 1:10:49 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: NYer
Mixed? Not exactly.

Ted Kennedy's rating from NARAL - 100%

In a less craven ecclesiastical environment, the man would have been excommunicated about 10 times over.
6 posted on 08/26/2009 1:11:02 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sarah Palin will soon have more fans on Facebook than most major newspapers have readers.)
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To: NYer

“...an incident..” EUphemism is always so pleasant

You know I loved my father deeply. When he passed I sang him home. But the truth is ( and I said so at the time) and was that he was a ridiculous alcoholic who betrayed his family and his profession. When his second wife suggested I was being to hard on the newly departed I simply asked her if she prefered it if I told her what I thought of her as a home wrecker?


7 posted on 08/26/2009 1:11:10 PM PDT by the long march
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To: NYer
"“For nearly half a century, Senator Kennedy was often a champion for the poor, the less fortunate and those seeking a better life. Across Massachusetts and the nation, his legacy will be carried on through the lives of those he served,” the cardinal said in a statement. "

Bull. Tedd Kennedy didn't champion for the poor (unless of course you mean that he wanted to create as many of them as possible). He championed the confiscation of wealth from the successful and the redistribution of that wealth to his constituents - that's a big difference.

It's one thing to empower people or inspire people to help the less fortunate, the sick or the intellectually disabled. It's quite another thing to take from one group - by threat of force or imprisonment - and give to another because in your estimation, they're more deserving in some way. It's completely antithetical to what the Framer's intentions.

8 posted on 08/26/2009 1:12:17 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: Marty62
I don't know why liberals would believe Christ would be so for communism and socialism.
They want to tax all this money and give it to those who haven't earned it, yet one of the Ten Commandments is:

Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods.
How can you be a socialist/Communist and fulfill the above Commandment?

9 posted on 08/26/2009 1:14:18 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: La Lydia

3) Murderer.

The Cowardly Lion of the Senate.


10 posted on 08/26/2009 1:14:40 PM PDT by maggief
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To: NYer

I don’t think the term “mixed” is the one I’d use to describe his legacy as a Catholic.

Totally anti-Catholic heretic, perhaps... but not “mixed”.


11 posted on 08/26/2009 1:15:32 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: NYer

TED KENNEDY WAS A SCANDALOUS HERETIC WHO IS GUILTY OF MURDER FOR FUNDING ABORTIONS THROUGH BUDGET ALLOCATIONS TO USAID AND ELSEWHERE.


12 posted on 08/26/2009 1:16:23 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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To: Marty62

I hope you are referring to the author - not NYer.
NYer is not a pro-abort. She simply posted an article with vapid content.


13 posted on 08/26/2009 1:18:17 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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To: A CA Guy

Thank You..Perfect response to the Religion revisionist.


14 posted on 08/26/2009 1:19:01 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: NYer

Mixed? From the way he carried on, more like Nixed.


15 posted on 08/26/2009 1:20:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Ofcourse. I have been trying to be careful in responding. Making sure people understand I’m responding to the article not the Poster. Sorry NYer. You know I didn’t mean you.


16 posted on 08/26/2009 1:21:11 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: NYer

Actually, it is Sean Patrick Cardinal O’Malley who is giving the mixed message about being Catholic. While Kennedy worked tirelessly for the poor, so have a lot of (other) pagans. I hope that Father Tarrant helped the very anti-Catholic Kennedy make his peace with God by repenting of his numerous scandalous activities and grave sins. The Cardinal would be better served to allow only a graveside service and forbid any priest in the Archdiocese from offering a Mass for the individual who went whoring with his nephews on Good Friday, who apparently thought abortion was a sacrament, and who “married” after divorcing Joan (just to name three scandalous activities of the Archpagan Mr. Kennedy.)


17 posted on 08/26/2009 1:21:51 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Marty62

For the RC church to say taxation and redistribution is bad, would be to invite fingers to point at the era when it was integrated with the state.


18 posted on 08/26/2009 1:22:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: NYer

I’ve said it before, and i’ll repeat it: Ted Kennedy was as much a Catholic as a Klansman is a Christian.


19 posted on 08/26/2009 1:23:16 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: NYer

“His service to the poor,” was the stealing of money from others for use in making “the poor” dependent on the government for sustenance and reliable votes for Social Democrats. That is not a reflection of his Catholicism. Neither is his promotion of fountains of money for progressively more dysfunctional public schools. His is not a mixed blessing to Catholicism. It is unmitigated anti Catholicism in practice while claiming the mantle of the Church in order to get votes and socialize the Republic.


20 posted on 08/26/2009 1:23:38 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I thought the Vatican had repudiated that period in the Chruches History. I may be wrong.
It would be stupid for the Church to try to avoid that history.


21 posted on 08/26/2009 1:24:10 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: NYer

I’ll agree with the “mixed” characterization of the Catholic life, Kennedy was ALLOWED to lead:

1) Bad.

2) Horrendous.

3) Damnable.


22 posted on 08/26/2009 1:24:27 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: NYer
"Service to the poor" my aching, dying hindquarters.

Socialism does not serve the poor, it serves to impoverish the middle class, and mire the poor in dependency.

23 posted on 08/26/2009 1:26:05 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: arthurus

It would be a sort of simony with somebody else’s money.


24 posted on 08/26/2009 1:26:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: Antoninus

Kennedy’s rating from Lucifer: 100%!


25 posted on 08/26/2009 1:28:11 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: NYer

How is cooking up ways to use other people’s money to give people deemed in need by government-paid bureaucrats moral and righteous?


26 posted on 08/26/2009 1:29:00 PM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: NYer

And along comes the requisite mythology about his “legacy.” This guy was the worst of the worst ever to call himself “senator.” Truly a bad, bad man.


27 posted on 08/26/2009 1:29:48 PM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: OldDeckHand
"He championed the confiscation of wealth from the successful and the redistribution of that wealth to his constituents - that's a big difference."

Not wealth, income. The Kennedy's have enormous wealth and that has not and will not be confiscated. It is income that is confiscated, not wealth.

28 posted on 08/26/2009 1:30:03 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
integrated with the state.

Careful where you point those fingers, FRiend. Protestant churches were and are at least as "integrated with the state" as the Catholic Church ever was.

29 posted on 08/26/2009 1:30:16 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

Wasn’t he and Kerry excommunicated a couple of years back by the Pope or some Cardinal or somebody for his stance on murdering babies? I thought I read of that here. Probably not, with all the Kennedy money.


30 posted on 08/26/2009 1:30:17 PM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: La Lydia

He was also a strong advocate for homosexuality and homosexual rights.


31 posted on 08/26/2009 1:31:37 PM PDT by MBB1984
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To: NYer

I guess his first 20 year marriage was “annulled”, huh? I love the Catholic hierarchy hypocracy.


32 posted on 08/26/2009 1:31:46 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Safetgiver

Not sure if he was ever formally booted, but Fat Drunk Ted voluntarily refrained from presenting himself for Holy Communion ... in that respect, he was more intellectually honest than Nancy Pelousy (for example).


33 posted on 08/26/2009 1:32:09 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Maybe he was scared of lightning.


34 posted on 08/26/2009 1:35:09 PM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: NYer
Kennedy did NOT adhere to the catholic faith...he was a practitioner of Teddys religion of self. To say he adhered or had even a mixed record is to lie about who wan what he was. A womanizer, A philanderer, A self absorbed liar who would use fear-mongering to get elderly to lie for him. A counter culture American values hater who worked against the US more than he ever did for it. Yeah, he was passionate about it all, but this is what these idiot liberals call good. Keep that in mind. THAT is what Liberals call GOOD!
35 posted on 08/26/2009 1:35:59 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: NYer

That legacy is a mixture of Catholicism and satanism.


36 posted on 08/26/2009 1:41:22 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NYer
Archbishop Daniel Wurel of Washington, D.C. also offered his condolences to Kennedy’s family and emphasized the senator’s commitments to “alleviating poverty” as well as his strong support of the area’s Catholic schools.

Sigh. Oh my. These Catholic elites are so "politically correct"™ that it makes me sick sometimes.

Bishop, did you ever think for one second what the policies he supported did to keep the poor in poverty? His support of abortion? What did that do for Catholic schools? He was NOT a Catholic, Bishop. NOT! Pray for his soul and be done with it. Don't eulogize this secular politician.

37 posted on 08/26/2009 1:41:44 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: ArrogantBustard

Protestants have had their hand in statism too, but less tenaciously than the RCC before them. (England’s Anglicans and Scotland’s Presbyterians are today only ceremonial heads with no legal power over affairs of state.) Evangelicals (e.g. Baptists and Amish) that are not considered part of any Protestant mainline have typically been averse to statism from the start.


38 posted on 08/26/2009 1:42:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: La Lydia; NYer
1) Divorced and remarried

2) Abortion advocate

I thought it was annulled even after three children.
Feeling A Little Sympathy For Joan Teddy divorced his wife Joan in 1981, had the marriage annulled [The Catholic Church relegates the marriage as never occurring] in 1983, so that he could remarry as a Catholic in 1992. The second marriage was even "blessed" by the Catholic Church in 1995. "A Catholic annulment, or a declaration of nullity or invalidity, is a statement of fact, by the Catholic Church, that a valid marriage (as defined by the Catholic Church) never existed." Too bad for the children Patrick, Edward, and Kara -their parents were never married according to RC. Legally, no? Spiritually, no? I may have to google "bastard."
from Ted Kennedy's Bad Habit Of Leaving People. . . For Dead
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
39 posted on 08/26/2009 1:44:01 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: NYer

Redistributing others’ wealth in the name of charity is not compassionate or necessarily Christian — taking the hard moral stance for Life and Faith despite the “conentional wisdom” is.

That said, may God’s Mercy be upon his soul...


40 posted on 08/26/2009 1:44:59 PM PDT by mikrofon (God Bless BXVII)
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To: NYer

I must have been sleeping the day Ted gave away most of his wealth to the poor.


41 posted on 08/26/2009 1:45:18 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Marty62
“and led a life of debauchery.
don’t try to make him a “good” Catholic now.”

It sounds like he was ready for the priesthood, though I have not heard of any young boys being involved.

The Catholic hierarchy does not give a damn about someones continuous moral failures, beliefs, and actions, as long as they are rich and powerful. Ted Kennedy did nothing for the poor, black, or disenfranchised other than keep himself in power and they in their poverty and position.

He is nothing more than a liar, cheat, reprobate, traitor, etc. Yes! We should name the health care bill after him; it's as dead as he is.

42 posted on 08/26/2009 1:45:56 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: NYer

Teddy defined CINO...that’s a legacy...


43 posted on 08/26/2009 1:47:53 PM PDT by mo
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To: the long march
We had a similar situation in my family.

My father's brother sounds like the same as your Dad. He deeply wounded his kids when he left home with a younger woman and ended up leaving everything to the child he had with his second wife. He died of alcohol-related causes.

My own father insisted to his nieces and nephews that his brother was a "good man at heart." Told my Dad to cease and desist but he didn't get the deep pain he was causing.

44 posted on 08/26/2009 1:49:34 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Notwithstanding
TED KENNEDY WAS A SCANDALOUS HERETIC

Obviously true. I don't see anything "mixed" about it.

45 posted on 08/26/2009 1:54:25 PM PDT by Prokopton
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Based on his past life, I don't think he will necessarily be pleased with his judgment in the presence of our Lord and savior. Amen.
46 posted on 08/26/2009 1:55:42 PM PDT by gakrak
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To: dirtymac

I hear you. however the Church always falls back on the everyone is redeemable tenents of the Church. I have NEVER heard anything about TED’s contributions to charitable causes. It would be interesting to see just EXACTLY what Charities he gave to. He lived his entire life getting a paycheck from the taxpayers. I heard, I believe in the 90’s that the family fortune which was tied to ole Joe’s whiskey distribution rights and property was in serious trouble.
There was even talk of selling the Merchandise Mart in chicago which they owned. I never kept up with that side of the Kennedy saga.
But I remember thinking the Patriarch couldn’t even manage the family fortune.
Yet the msm is slobbering over his abilities to tell the American People how they should allow him and his co-horts to spend our money.


47 posted on 08/26/2009 2:00:13 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: NYer

The simple fact that public officials who claim to be Catholic, yet advocate killing infants, have not been disciplined indicts Catholicism’s authority.


48 posted on 08/26/2009 2:00:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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As a Catholic, though he worked hard for the poor>>>

how much of his “own” money did he donate, was it more than Biden’s $300 per year?

Did he ever teach CCD, become a lector, work at a parish function?


49 posted on 08/26/2009 2:02:53 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: NYer

“mixed Catholic legacy”

Mixed? Terrible and horrible?


50 posted on 08/26/2009 2:04:00 PM PDT by dsc (The "t" in the word "often" is silent.)
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