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Editorial: The $10 trillion deficit disaster-America was out of money a long time ago
washingtontimes.com ^ | Washington Times

Posted on 08/27/2009 11:22:48 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2

Edited on 08/27/2009 11:31:40 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

"At what point do we run out of money?" President Obama was asked in May. "Well, we are out of money now," he replied. That was when he projected the deficit to be $7 trillion over the next 10 years. Now his administration admits the number likely will reach $9 trillion. We sure are out of money -- and the true deficit number probably is at least another $1 trillion bigger.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; borrowandspend; change; democratcongress; donttreadonme; epicfail; fail; liberalfascism; liberalsluvtaxing; miserablefailure; obamasfault; pocketchange; taxandspend; thekenyanusurper; time2partyagain
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1 posted on 08/27/2009 11:22:49 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Sometime in mid-2008, a billion stopped being thought of as a lot of money.


2 posted on 08/27/2009 11:27:54 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (It's better to give a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a kidney to the Ford Foundation.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

You don’t have to talk me into gloom and doom.

I always think of the Sandburg line:

“In the night, a shovel of stars overhead for keeps, the people march. Where to? What next?”

... but are the people marching ?


3 posted on 08/27/2009 11:31:41 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: All

To simplify the terminology and for the purposes of public consumption everything from here on out will be known simply as a shitload...


4 posted on 08/27/2009 11:33:57 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Actually it was when Dr. Evil found out that a $ 1 Million was not a lot of money anymore, maybe back in the 1960s, so he had to raise the stakes to $ 1 Billion, and now, it's $ 1 Trillion.


5 posted on 08/27/2009 11:39:56 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Let me ask this question, is it valid to say, they we are at or already been at the point that it's beyond the point of broken where this mess can't be fixed ?

6 posted on 08/27/2009 11:48:02 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Iam1ru1-2

1974 was when we unofficially declared bankruptcy.


7 posted on 08/28/2009 3:22:58 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("Need has never produced anything. It has only been an excuse to steal from those with ablity.")
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To: Iam1ru1-2
And the problem is made worse by this: no thanks to our income tax laws, American citizens and businesses either illegally participate in the cash-only underground economy or use our tax laws to funnel liquid assets out of the USA to offshore financial centers around the world. The amount of liquidity lost: somewhere between US$14 and US$19 TRILLION!

This is economic stupidity, in my humble opinion. We need to drastically change our taxation laws to encourage personal savings and capital investment staying in the USA (by far the biggest economic advantage of FairTax since we no longer tax savings account interest, dividend payments, and capital gains--essentially no more taxes on earning money). As such, most of that US$14 to US$19 trillion in liquidity lost returns to the US financial system, providing a GIGANTIC liquidity boost that provides a solid financial base for a real economic recovery.

8 posted on 08/28/2009 4:53:54 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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or use our tax laws to funnel liquid assets out of the USA to offshore financial centers around the world

Why shouldn't you be free to do what you want with your money?

9 posted on 08/28/2009 4:57:55 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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10 posted on 08/28/2009 5:06:43 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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Morally, financially, diplomatically, and socially bankrupt


11 posted on 08/28/2009 6:44:25 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama - The wolf in the suit.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
“...it's beyond the point of broken where this mess can't be fixed?”

I think if the Senate is not retaken in the midterm elections this will be the case. If Obama has his way and the Dems stay in control of the Senate, in four years the US will be reduced to a third world debtor nation through incomprehensible deficit spending, anti-business policies, and the forced redistribution of wealth to the nonproductive elements within our society.

12 posted on 08/28/2009 7:49:49 AM PDT by Gabrial (ObamaCare: The efficiency of the Post Office, the compassion of the IRS, the costs of the Pentagon)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Please, please, don’t tell Obama what comes after a Trillion.


13 posted on 08/28/2009 8:02:43 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't anthropomorphize the robots. They hate that.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
It can be fixed in theory but it won't happen bacause of demographics. While the GOP may rally in 2010 and even 2010, it is just a blip. We have passed the tipping point.

To fix this mess would require 4-6 years of phenomenal GDP growth. This can only happen by dramatic deregulation and a massive tax cut. You would also have to implement a much more effective tax collecting system by implementing something along the lines of the Fair Tax (imperfect, but a thousand times better than what we have). Once the economy grows white hot you would then raise the tax rate in accordance with the Laffer Curve to maximize tax revenues. You would also have to pass a balanced budget amendment and massively cut spending.

Ain't gonna happen. Instead, we will slowly continue our death spiral. there may even be secession which will of course be met with force.

IMHO, of course.

14 posted on 08/28/2009 9:00:21 AM PDT by MattinNJ (DeMint/Palin 2012)
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Ugggh, should read “2010 and even 2012”.


15 posted on 08/28/2009 9:01:14 AM PDT by MattinNJ (DeMint/Palin 2012)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

it was in febuary 2008 when bush and cheney went on tv looking nukes just went off, they were blue in the face, and they said they were sending emergency 250 billion to americans in the form of checks.

the gop sent everyone in the country a welfare check. all the dems have to due is send more cash to get their concentration camps for conservatives and christian seniors. it is time for a new party to rescue america from the socialist republicrat demon party. we will come in from the rural and suburbs to retake america!

men cannot even have mustaches anymore. american woman will join the new party of real american men!


16 posted on 08/28/2009 9:15:43 AM PDT by skipper18
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Yeah, what you said...no mustaches!

John has a long mustache
John has a long mustache

17 posted on 08/28/2009 9:25:03 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Please, please, don’t tell Obama what comes after a Trillion

Quadrillion, Quintillion, Sextillion, Septillion, Octillion, Novillion, Decillion

For the really big numbers Go Here!

18 posted on 08/28/2009 2:10:54 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: itsahoot

What comes afer googleplex?


19 posted on 08/28/2009 4:55:20 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't anthropomorphize the robots. They hate that.)
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To: Jim Noble
Let me tell you this: the interest you earn on your savings accounts, dividend stock payments, and capital gains are all subject to income tax from both the IRS and state tax authorities. Since by definition income taxes discourage personal savings and capital investment in the USA, is it small wonder why anyone who could afford it use tax loopholes to funnel a large fraction of their net worth to offshore financial centers located in places like the Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Panama, and so on--all places where it would be difficult for the IRS to find and recover the money? (Indeed, George Soros' Quantum Investment Fund operates out of Panama for tax reasons.)

Under FairTax, since there is no such thing as taxes on earning money, the incentive to offshore your net worth or send corporate headquarter/manufacturing operations outside US borders for tax reduction reasons essentially goes away. As a result, not only will we get back most of the US$14 to US$19 TRILLION in liquidity sent out of the US financial system (since there are no more taxes on keeping that liquidity in US-based banks or doing capital investment inside the USA), but it also means corporate headquarter and manufacturing operations will return to the USA under vastly improved tax circumstances. (For example, all those shuttered steel factories in the US Midwest will come back to life since company managers no longer need to factor in the income tax on the cost of operations.)

Another huge positive is that foreigners will do a gigantic "land rush" to put their savings and capital investments in the USA, since there are no more taxes on earning money in the USA under FairTax. A company like BMW would enormously expand their Spartanburg, SC operations, since with no more income tax to deal with, they'd seriously look at moving some of their MINI production or look at producing the much-rumored "BMW Isetta" city car to the Spartanburg plant, since with no income taxes to deal with the cost of production in the USA would be effectively the same as BMW setting up a plant in Eastern Europe to produce the BMW Isetta!

20 posted on 08/28/2009 7:49:22 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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