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Nineteen-year-old man is eighth person to die in Glynn County massacre
Jacksonville.com ^ | 30 Aug 2009 | Terry Dickson, Jim Schoettler, Teresa Stepzinski

Posted on 08/30/2009 5:26:14 PM PDT by Amelia

Nineteen-year-old man is eighth person to die in Glynn County massacre

Police to offer $25,000 reward for information in case

By Terry Dickson, Jim Schoettler, Teresa Stepzinski

Story updated at 7:51 PM on Sunday, Aug. 30, 2009

Related Stories » Glynn police chief says he's uncertain if killer of 7 still on loose

BRUNSWICK, Ga. - The only survivor among four siblings attacked in a Glynn County mobile home massacre died today, increasing the carnage to eight dead, police said tonight.

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: local; murder; trailerparkshooting
Updating coverage. This morning they were classifying this as a murder-suicide, but they apparently changed their minds by early afternoon, and now are planning to offer a reward for information about the killer(s).
1 posted on 08/30/2009 5:26:14 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
"Nineteen-year-old man"

Don't news outlets often refer to 19-year-olds as children?

2 posted on 08/30/2009 5:28:38 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: sionnsar

Not usually anymore.


3 posted on 08/30/2009 5:29:21 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: sionnsar

Only when it fits their anti gun agendas


4 posted on 08/30/2009 5:29:46 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: sionnsar
Don't news outlets often refer to 19-year-olds as children?

They probably haven't decided which way this story can be used to spin whatever they want spun. If a cop had shot him, he would have been the "slain teen."
5 posted on 08/30/2009 5:30:58 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour; Marysecretary
Yah, it's all about agendas. (My youngest is 19.)

Marysecretary, thanks for the tagline reminder!

6 posted on 08/30/2009 5:32:05 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Amelia

Cops don’t have a clue, do they. They won’t even release the names of the dead. Don’t they realize that the more info they release, the more clues and info they’ll get from the public?


7 posted on 08/30/2009 5:35:20 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: sionnsar

Somewhere I thought I had seen the two injured referred to as children, but as close-mouthed as the police have been about this, I probably heard it in community gossip instead.

Whether they are referred to as “teens” or “adults” does seem to depend upon the agenda being pushed at the time.


8 posted on 08/30/2009 5:39:07 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: ArtyFO

The police aren’t releasing the names of the dead, but at least half of them have been identified by the family and the media already, and I’m sure that those in the area know the names of the rest of them.


9 posted on 08/30/2009 5:43:41 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Chickenhawk Warmonger; LTCJ; backhoe

Trying to remember who else is in southeast Georgia. I’m getting a little bit concerned about the idea of them not having a clue who did this.


10 posted on 08/30/2009 5:47:50 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: sionnsar

Only when it’s military volunteers


11 posted on 08/30/2009 6:07:51 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Navy blue)
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To: Amelia

From the looks of it, it’s a mixed race thing. Maybe they’re having trouble spelling the names or understanding what they’re saying.


12 posted on 08/30/2009 6:11:05 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Amelia

Quiet affirmation : /

Tatt


13 posted on 08/30/2009 6:12:08 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: sionnsar

I need to see that myself every day...thanks.


14 posted on 08/30/2009 6:27:23 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: ArtyFO

Hard to tell. Yesterday they were showing the African-American woman who was screaming and said her son was one of the victims, but according to the article, she called the paper today and told them that her son wasn’t in the house and is alive and well. She did say that one of her brothers-in-law also lived at the house, but wouldn’t give his name. The boy they arrested looks white.

I can’t imagine that people in Brunswick wouldn’t be able to understand white or black people though.

I’ve heard speculation that these murders, as well as the two occurring in Brunswick the week before, were gang-related, but I have no way of knowing whether the person speculating had any sort of credibility or was just guessing.


15 posted on 08/30/2009 6:34:36 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Gang thing = Drug Thing????


16 posted on 08/30/2009 6:42:23 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: ArtyFO

Drug thing was my first guess. Again according to the articles, the mother of the man who was arrested supposedly died several years ago from a drug overdose, and other family members (but it didn’t specifically say the ones living in the trailer) have had drug problems.


17 posted on 08/30/2009 6:49:00 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Glynn County Police are struggling to, trying to solve a murder mystery, with national attention on them, without giving away too much information about what happened.

Doering also said in his interview, “I am absolutely certain, 100 percent, what happened. I am absolutely certain how it happened. The question is who is responsible. Part of that is the motive. What would motivate someone to do this.”

Guy Heinze Jr.. Heinze Jr. has been charged with possession of painkillers, marijuana, tampering with evidence, and making false statements to police.

Doering says Heinze Jr., who is an immediate family member to some of the victims, has been cooperating, but will not call him a suspect in the deaths.

Heinze Jr’s father Guy Heinze Sr. is the owner of the mobile home. But it has not been released if Heinze Sr. was one of the ones killed in the murders.

“I am not going to rule him (Heinze Jr.) out,” says Doering, “I am not going to call him a suspect.” I just can’t tell you with certainty if it was one two or more, I just don’t have the information. If I did, I would give it to you.”

Doering went on to say, “If I was looking for a suspect, I would tell you. We are not looking for any known suspects, it doesn’t mean there are no suspects, they are just not known to us.”

http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11016467


18 posted on 08/30/2009 6:54:24 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Amelia

Capt. Marissa Tindale, head of the detectives division with the Glynn County Police Department, said Michael Toler, 19, died about noon Sunday. He had been listed in critical condition at a Savannah hospital.

A woman familiar with the family who also managed the trailer park where they lived said that Michael is the son of Russell “Rusty” Toler. That woman and a law enforcement source have told the Times-Union Rusty Toler is among the dead.

Toler’s three other children also died in the attack, the woman said. The Times-Union is not identifying the other children because their names have not been confirmed.

Heinze, 22, is the son of slaying victim Guy Heinze Sr., said the elder Heinze’s brother-in-law.

Guy Heinze Jr. is also charged with possession of a controlled substance (Darvacet) and possession of marijuana. Heinze called 911 about 8 a.m. on Saturday to report finding someone had killed his family at the rural mobile home park 10 miles north of Brunswick.

Heinze Sr. had been a long-haul trucker and often had several rigs sitting by the road, but business got bad, the trucks disappeared and the elder Heinze moved into the mobile at at New Hope, Trutt said.
McIntosh County Chief Deputy William Jennings said the Sheriff’s Office had an open file on a complaint Heinze made against the owner of the park.
Because Heinze had gotten behind on his rent payments for his lot, the owner apparently took possession of the mobile home and sold it to someone else, Jennings said.

Heinze found himself locked out of his own property and called the Sheriff’s Office, which investigated, Jennings said.

Glynn police chief warns, “We just don’t have a lot to go on,” in massacre probe

A woman familiar with the family and the mobile home park and a law enforcement source said the dead included Russell “Rusty” Toler, a hard-working, poor man who loved his children. The woman said three of Toler’s four children were also killed.

About 10 miles north in Eulonia, many of Rusty Toler’s extended family were gathered at the home of Elease Davis. A law enforcement officer described her as Rusty Toler’s former mother-in-law and grandmother of at least some of his children.

Two of the other dead were somehow part of the same family, while another victim was the boyfriend of one of Toler’s daughters killed in the attack, the woman said.

Bryant, 51, of Illinois, said Guy Heinze Sr. was one of nine siblings born in the Chicago area. He said they were all given up for adoption and several lived troubled lives that included drug abuse. Bryant said Guy Heinze Sr.’s wife died a few years ago in Georgia of a drug overdose.

“The whole story is so troubling,” Bryant said of Heinze and his siblings. “The father never raised one of them.”

Bryant said he last saw Guy Heinze Sr. about 15 years ago and knew little about his son.

The woman who knows the family said among the dead is Toler’s daughter, Michelle. Glynn County school officials said Michelle Toler, 15, was enrolled in the eighth grade at Needwood Middle School near the trailer park. School Superintendent Howard Mann said he didn’t know Michelle’s fate, but he added the school will have grief counselors and support personnel available Monday for students and staff.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-30/story/nineteen_year_old_man_is_eighth_person_to_die_in_glynn_county_massacre


19 posted on 08/30/2009 7:01:48 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Amelia

According to someone on a message board, there is still a three year old alive and survival chances are good. They aren’t sure if he can tell them anything though.

According to this source, the police have arrested a second man. Neither of the people arrested are strangers to the people murdered. One is a relative according to this source.

THIS IS FROM ANOTHER MESSAGE BOARD. NOTHING IS CONFIRMED.


20 posted on 08/30/2009 7:06:53 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Amelia

Wonder how they died? Guns, Poison??


21 posted on 08/30/2009 7:06:55 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Amelia

There are RUMORS that the murders are related to this murder for revenge...

http://www.news4jax.com/news4georgia/20534662/detail.html


22 posted on 08/30/2009 7:10:39 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: ArtyFO

I think they were shot according to another message board.


23 posted on 08/30/2009 7:11:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

I had heard that the surviving child was 6 or 7, but I don’t know how accurate my information is. Had not heard about the 2nd arrest, but according to the reports so far, the Heinze man arrested is the son of one of the victims, and apparently the victims were Rusty Toler, his 4 children, his brother and sister, and a daughter’s boyfriend - it’s not clear who the 8th victim would be.


24 posted on 08/30/2009 7:16:09 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: kcvl

The pizza hut murder was directly across the street from the entrance to FLETC, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center.

Supposedly they arrested someone in that case and in the other robbery case, but I haven’t heard any names.


25 posted on 08/30/2009 7:19:30 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Like I said, I’m not claiming to know ANYTHING, just repeating what is said somewhere else. You probably have as much correct information as anyone.


26 posted on 08/30/2009 7:21:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl; ArtyFO

Law enforcement said that the bodies were so mangled they couldn’t tell what the cause of death was. Some neighbors said they didn’t hear anything, but at least one said someone kicked in the door and shot all of them.

As close together as the mobile homes are, and since the trailer where it happened apparently didn’t have air conditioning (picture of a box fan in an unscreened window) it does seem that someone would have heard gunshots. Of course, it looks to me like killing that many people would raise a ruckus, unless you could do it very quietly while they all slept?


27 posted on 08/30/2009 7:23:31 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: kcvl

Oh, I understand that...just adding what I’ve heard, which may or may not be accurate.


28 posted on 08/30/2009 7:26:14 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: kcvl

In fact, what I heard may be TOTALLY off, because I’d heard that both of those in the hospital were children under 12...and obviously the one who died was older.


29 posted on 08/30/2009 7:29:24 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Local TV news has police chief saying they have been called to the trailer in question before yesterday’s murders, but he won’t say why.


30 posted on 08/30/2009 7:55:56 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
This may be an odd thought but I keep thinking that was a lot of people in a trailer. I don’t know if they all lived there or what but still it must have been sardine city.
31 posted on 08/31/2009 1:38:38 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: A knight without armor

Definitely a lot of people...must have been miserable, too, because they apparently didn’t have any air conditioning.


32 posted on 08/31/2009 6:12:33 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: kcvl

Sounds as if your message board source is correct about the age of the surviving child.


33 posted on 09/01/2009 5:10:19 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Have you heard how they were killed yet?

I heard on Fox News, I believe, that they were maybe BEATEN instead of shot?!


34 posted on 09/01/2009 5:16:14 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Amelia

I heard that the muzzle was right up against the head “point blank” for all of them. This made them look as if they had been beaten per the 911 call.


35 posted on 09/01/2009 5:18:41 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING!)
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To: Amelia

BTW, if you are really into this case, I don’t think there is a better place for crime news than the following:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88303&page=9


36 posted on 09/01/2009 5:24:16 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING!)
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To: Amelia

What’s odd is that they aren’t even releasing the manner of death yet. Usually in shootings that’s the first thing released.


37 posted on 09/01/2009 6:24:41 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: kcvl; BunnySlippers

In the 911 call, Guy Heinze says they look like they’ve been beaten to death. The autopsy results should be completed, but the police chief isn’t releasing them yet.

I think it’s kind of interesting that he is in trouble for removing a shotgun from the trailer - I wonder if he knows who did it and wanted the gun either for protection or revenge, or if it’s the gun BunnySlippers heard was used point blank?

I still have trouble understanding how you could beat 9 people to death (or shoot them, for that matter) without someone in that trailer park hearing something - a scream, a shot, or something! - or without someone making a phone call or jumping out the window or something.


38 posted on 09/01/2009 7:17:39 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: BunnySlippers

Bunny, thanks! That IS a good site!


39 posted on 09/01/2009 7:40:32 PM PDT by Amelia
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