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Collector puzzled over seizure of his vintage war plane by customs agents
Birmingham news ^ | june 3 2009 | Anita Debro

Posted on 08/30/2009 8:25:12 PM PDT by muddler

A vintage airplane collector said Tuesday that government agents have impounded his rare 1952 military aircraft he imported from France last fall and are threatening to destroy the plane because of a missed step in bringing it into the country.

Also see

http://www.savetheskyraider.com/site/The_Details.html

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aerospace; atf; douglas; skyraider; warbird
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ATF involved, need I say more.
1 posted on 08/30/2009 8:25:13 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler
Diverse government worker with a Obama government authoritative complex.
2 posted on 08/30/2009 8:31:30 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: muddler

Can not allow civilian aircraft in a one-party state??


3 posted on 08/30/2009 8:33:33 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: muddler

Airplanes, tobacco, and firearms?


4 posted on 08/30/2009 8:36:59 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: muddler; Paleo Conservative; All
Ping

Save The Skyraider

5 posted on 08/30/2009 8:37:06 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: muddler
""(ICE) basically said we smuggled the plane into the country. My question is how do you smuggle this into the country," Hendrickson asked pointing to the single-engine aircraft that was commonly used as an attack bomber during the Vietnam War."

Perfect. And, this is the entitity (the US government) that so many want to entrust in the management of our nation's health care.

One of two things is true, either the government is completely inept in the application of common sense here. Or, this guy really smuggled something into the country that is literally bigger than a couple large pachyderms.

Do either of those two scenario's inspire confidence in the Government to manage anything more complicated than a fruit stand?

6 posted on 08/30/2009 8:38:01 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: coloradan

One of only four skyraiders still flying, who in their right mind would destroy this piece of American history?


7 posted on 08/30/2009 8:39:53 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler

And theyre all bad...right?


8 posted on 08/30/2009 8:42:41 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: muddler

Who said anything about ATF people being in their right minds? F-troop got their name for a reason.


9 posted on 08/30/2009 8:44:11 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: OldDeckHand

They are apparently not that excellent at managing something so big as a cafeteria.


10 posted on 08/30/2009 8:45:39 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: muddler
are threatening to destroy the plane because of a missed step in bringing it into the country.

Not in the article.

11 posted on 08/30/2009 8:47:48 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

A vintage airplane collector said Tuesday that government agents have impounded his rare 1952 military aircraft he imported from France last fall and are threatening to destroy the plane because of a missed step in bringing it into the country.


12 posted on 08/30/2009 8:49:20 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler

ATF is “Stuck on Stupid”, but feeling empowered by their new “fearless leader”.

DUMBOS.


13 posted on 08/30/2009 8:49:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: muddler
Hmm - then better keep this thing hid in my garage.

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14 posted on 08/30/2009 8:51:10 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: muddler

This is US goods being returned.Built at long beach california by Douglas Aircraft.Whats not to understand?Unreal.


15 posted on 08/30/2009 8:55:11 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SkyDancer

Thats funny right there.I dont care who you are.ATF will be knocking on your door soon.I’m only half kidding.


16 posted on 08/30/2009 8:57:45 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Soothesayer9

I get your point and you are correct, they are not all bad but destroying this would be criminal.


17 posted on 08/30/2009 9:01:14 PM PDT by muddler
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To: muddler

Maybe they need some air capability for the next Waco type operation....


18 posted on 08/30/2009 9:03:46 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Seems fishy")
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To: muddler

Odds are good that he’s not an Obama voter/contributor.


19 posted on 08/30/2009 9:08:49 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: muddler
One of only four skyraiders still flying, who in their right mind would destroy this piece of American history?

You have answered your own question.

20 posted on 08/30/2009 9:10:27 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: imahawk

My dad removed the squat switches so the guns’ll fire on the ground (LOL ......)


21 posted on 08/30/2009 9:13:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: muddler; Fiddlstix; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; ...

If you want on or off this aerospace ping list, please contact Paleo Conservative or phantomworker by Freep mail.


22 posted on 08/30/2009 9:21:06 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (I wonder why Solomon Ortiz (TX-27) is so afraid of talking with his constituents?)
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To: Paleo Conservative

If they touch one rivit onthat bird they should be executed!!!


23 posted on 08/30/2009 9:25:03 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: muddler
What a crock, no one has threatened to destroy the damn thing. It really sound more like Mr. Business man thinks he is above the law. Fill out the forms pay the fines and ICE will release the plane. What is the reason for making a mountain out of a mole hill.
24 posted on 08/30/2009 9:32:13 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: muddler

ATF you say? So, why would the ATF be involved?

Alcohol - Hmmm. Unlikely there’d be any booze on the aircraft. Even from France it’d be just as easy to buy some wine at the local liquor store.

Tobacco - Nope.

Firearms - Well, there’s a possibility. As I recall there was/is some fairly formidable firepower on that aircraft. Do you suppose it is possible that there might be some fully automatic weapons (50 caliber perhaps) that came into the country aboard that aircraft. I have seen it happen before. In some cases, the only “deactivation” accomplished was boaring a hole in the barrel within an inch of the muzzle (hardly a permanent step, a chop saw resolves the issue). I kidded the guy that had the aircraft, about hunting prairie dogs with it (they were automatic fifty caliber weapons) out in western Nebraska. “You don’t suppose anyone would notice, do you? Nah.”. If one is foolish enough to rearm these weapons, it is a trivial matter to accomplish if you really really want to do it. Silly though, they are hideously expensive if you ever decided you were going to fire them.

Yeah, that’d be my guess. Otherwise I couldn’t imagine why the BATF would get involved. One would think it would be more of an FAA matter, unless there were some firearms involved. It seems that BATF is generally overwhelmed on most technical matters they are confronted with. There are some sharp guys and gals over there, but sadly the majority are not of a consistent “caliber”. ;-)


25 posted on 08/30/2009 9:33:52 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: SkyDancer

I dont think I have ever read about squat switches of FR before.LOL


26 posted on 08/30/2009 9:47:53 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SkyDancer
Dunno 'bout that. According to the opinion rendered in U.S. vs Miller, the militia comprises all able bodied men 18-45 (<65 if previous regular full-time active duty experience) and members are expected to show up bearing weapons in common useage at the time.

Seems to me that you should be going to the range with that thing at least semi-annually so as to maintain proficiency.

On the other hand, there may be issues with respect to transportation of firearms, in that you have to be able to prove that transportation of such is explicitly for the purpose of either to or from the practice range.

You don't have the serial numbers filed off on that do ya? Might help to get a concealed carry permit too. Most states are in the "shall issue" category, so that shouldn't be all that much of a problem.

Not only that, but I'd guess you'd want to be current on all the AD's as that may be grounds for confiscation.

On the other hand, "conversion" to some putative purpose other than what may be commonly percieved might be good.

"Dear, he's cutting the lawn with that damn F-16 again!"

"What time is it?"

"Its 8:01 A.M."

"Damn. The cops said last time they don't have a case on violation of the noise ordinance between 8 A.M. and 10 P.M."

27 posted on 08/30/2009 9:51:56 PM PDT by raygun
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To: ColdWater
"Not in the article."

You must have missed this:

"Hendrickson said ICE agents told him then that he had failed to fill out a form required by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives when he imported the plane into the states from France. Hendrickson said he was unaware he had to register the plane with ATF since he removed the aircraft's artillery while it was still in France."

As to the threat to destroy, that may be a routine part of the boilerplate wording for Customs confiscations involving "weapons" (which I presume was the case here, since ATF was involved).
28 posted on 08/30/2009 9:53:57 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Cheney/Palin 2012!)
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To: Habibi
"As I recall there was/is some fairly formidable firepower on that aircraft."

According to the article, all armament had been removed in France.
29 posted on 08/30/2009 9:54:48 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Cheney/Palin 2012!)
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To: muddler

"That's why I sent a Jeep home one part at a time..."

30 posted on 08/30/2009 9:55:47 PM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

” he removed the aircraft’s artillery while it was still in France.”

Well, there goes my theory then. Sounds like just “plane” harrassment then.


31 posted on 08/30/2009 9:56:13 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: muddler

Rogue agency (BATFE) strikes again. No I won’t give them the credit of a three letter 1st tier acronym.


32 posted on 08/30/2009 9:57:22 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: SkyDancer
Build that yerself didja?
Right there in that garage...good job!
33 posted on 08/30/2009 10:04:30 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: org.whodat

With respect, your understanding of how the ATF works is seriously deficient. Even the most insignificant violation (such as punctuation and spelling errors) of ANY regulation can and has resulted in ATF starting prosecution and/or seizure proceedings against the the hapless “offenders”. The example listed here, and tens of thousands around the country in recent years, are the precise reason that an ATF reform bill looks like it will pass out of Congress this year. It is also why ATF has been the subject of numerous “reform” laws in the past, perhaps more than any other federal agency. It would be better for the country, in my opinion, to fold the ATF’s responsibilities into the FBI and dissolve the agency entirely, but Congress seems always to lack the moral courage to actually abolish a federal agency, no matter how pressing the justification or egregious the behavior.


34 posted on 08/30/2009 11:10:16 PM PDT by Oscar the Grouch
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To: Habibi
The interesting thing is that the aircraft was flown into the U.S.

One would think that is cleared Customs to enter the country in the first place. Maybe the ICE agents should go arrest the port inspectors as co-conspirators.

35 posted on 08/30/2009 11:54:35 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: muddler

Less govt. is best govt.
Get rid of about 65 percent of govt workers and have a better world.


36 posted on 08/31/2009 4:29:57 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84)
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To: muddler

I am beginning to think the entire system is broken. I am currently going through some “adventures”.


37 posted on 08/31/2009 5:21:01 AM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: Habibi
Article says that the guy removed the guns in France.
38 posted on 08/31/2009 5:27:18 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: Oscar the Grouch
With respect, this story is about importing a war plane without proper authority.

However, ATF is a bum organization and should have been closed long ago. I would say 90% of its agents are nothing more than everyday criminals.

39 posted on 08/31/2009 5:41:30 AM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Habibi

IIRC Skyraiders normally carried four 20mm cannon in the wings, and hardpoints for several thousand pounds of various forms of varmint extermination (bombs, rockets, napalm, etc.) Under conditions of air superiority it was a hell of a good weapon in Vietnam; able to loiter for hours unlike the jets of the ‘60s, could carry a heavy load, and was slow and stable enough to put ordnance dead on a target. Plus it was tough. I’m amazed there’s only four still in the country, considering that thousands were built and it had a 20+-year service career.

BTW, if you ever see an AD up close, those things are HUGE. Absolutely monstrous for a single-engined prop. It’s just a big gorgeous beast of a warbird.

}:-)4


40 posted on 08/31/2009 8:04:29 AM PDT by Moose4 (Ted Kennedy: "If they bring up Camelot, we get to bring up the lady in the lake.")
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To: Moose4

I share your views on that airframe. I don’t know why I thought it had 50’s. 20mm is more better.

There are are a lot of geezers that are still looking down at the grass because of the loitering capability of that aircraft. In some respects, but not all, it reminds me of the A-10. Both solid, conservatively designed stuff that lasted far past their counterparts. Why the longevity? They were designed to use proven armaments and aeronautical technology. Nothing leading edge. It was designed to use what worked, and it served both admirably. Not like the B-58 (too leading edge), it didn’t last. The B-737 would stand with the Skyraider and A-10 by the same philosophy.

A great aircraft.


41 posted on 08/31/2009 8:30:16 AM PDT by Habibi
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To: org.whodat
What a crock, no one has threatened to destroy the damn thing. It really sound more like Mr. Business man thinks he is above the law. Fill out the forms pay the fines and ICE will release the plane. What is the reason for making a mountain out of a mole hill.

You are wrong. This guy made every good effort to import this plane. It was even registered with the FAA. The problem was he did not fill our a ATF form that he thought he did not need because he had all the weapons removed from the plane before he imported it.

It is the morons at the ATF and ICE that are making a mountain out of a mole hill. This guy is the only sane one of the whole bunch.
42 posted on 08/31/2009 10:47:42 AM PDT by microgood
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To: muddler
One of only four skyraiders still flying, who in their right mind would destroy this piece of American history?

The same government that destroys perfectly good, collector grade arms, like M1 Garrands and M1911 pistols. Firearms that could be sold on the open market, or even through the DCM for thousands of dollars. The same government that has destroyed thousands of M-14s, rather than sell them through the DCM, or issue them to combat troops.

Mark

43 posted on 08/31/2009 11:27:08 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: muddler
Far as I can tell, this is a non-story. What happened? the savetheskyraider site is utterly useless, and hasn't been updated, AFAIK, since June 3rd.

Not to mention that ICE is the federal agency most cited in the article.

44 posted on 08/31/2009 11:40:12 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: SkyDancer
Open Carry.

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Ah, the leisure life.

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45 posted on 08/31/2009 6:21:38 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Need an Angry Mob? Why not call the DNC, they have a wide selection to choose from.)
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To: Professional Engineer
I had to move this back into the garage because my liberal neighbors were scared and complained.

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46 posted on 08/31/2009 6:47:42 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: muddler
“Hendrickson said ICE agents told him then that he had failed to fill out a form required by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives when he imported the plane into the states from France.

Hendrickson said he was unaware he had to register the plane with ATF since he removed the aircraft's artillery while it was still in France. “

A perfect story for Sarah Palin to use, to illustrate why we have to much government in our lives.
Reagan loved stories like this.

47 posted on 08/31/2009 7:00:36 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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To: Habibi

Weren’t the latter day A-10s using pretty modern technology?

Is the “old” tech the airframe itself? Big, beefy, can take a hit and give a bigger one?

Seriously, I’d like to read what you think.


48 posted on 08/31/2009 7:01:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Moose4

none at Davis-Monthan AFB?


49 posted on 09/01/2009 8:39:27 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (John Adams: Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate)
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To: imahawk

Squat or WOW switches - they’re all the same.


50 posted on 09/01/2009 8:56:58 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (A1C 6.2)
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