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Icy conditions hinder search for [Australian government] minister
Australian Broadcasing Commission ^ | 31 August 2009 | By Simon Lauder

Posted on 08/30/2009 11:43:00 PM PDT by BlackVeil

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To: BlackVeil

sounds like a bad idea all around


21 posted on 08/31/2009 5:44:28 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: BlackVeil

How is it that a mountain in Australia has an alpine region when it’s only 6,300 feet but a mountain in Colorado has to be 11,000 feet?


22 posted on 08/31/2009 6:49:52 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SunkenCiv
this is the end of August, usually a hot month,

Australia is in the SOUTHEN HEMISPHERE -- seasons are reversed. Its winter there now.

23 posted on 08/31/2009 6:50:04 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: roamer_1

Indeed.

Tim Holding is one of the only socialist politicians I have met that I have any time for. I disagree with him politically, but he’s always struck me as a decent, honest man, genuinely standing up for what he believes to be right and just. He did his time in the Army Reserve in the 1st Commando Regiment, and I’m hoping he has the skills he needs to survive this.


24 posted on 08/31/2009 6:57:43 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: DTogo

We don’t stick ankle bracelets on them to keep track of them.

Back in the late 1960s, we lost a serving Prime Minister - he literally vanished without trace, never to be seen again, after he went for a swim off a dangerous beach. He thought he knew what he was doing and he was the Prime Minister.

Tim Holding is ex-Army reserve (1st Commando Regiment) and presumably felt safe doing a bushwalk even in somewhat marginal conditions. I wouldn’t have argued with him.


25 posted on 08/31/2009 6:59:47 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Yes, but in Australia, it is winter. The months of June, July and August are winter time. September 21 (or 22?) is the first day of Spring, and December 21 is Summer Soltice.

Actually, for some reason, Australia has decided the seasons should start at the beginnings of months, so September 1st is regarded as the first day of Spring. It tends to match the reality reasonably well for most of the seasons, but means our hottest month is sometimes officially the first month of autumn (fall).

26 posted on 08/31/2009 7:02:23 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: rogue yam
I hope this guy is genuinely skilled.

He was in the 1st Commando Regiment for three years. I'd hope he has some survival skills.

27 posted on 08/31/2009 7:03:53 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: DTogo
Why would a govt minister go, and/or be allowed to go, on a solo trek up a dangerous mountain?

Because it's there.

28 posted on 08/31/2009 7:04:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: demshateGod
How is it that a mountain in Australia has an alpine region when it’s only 6,300 feet but a mountain in Colorado has to be 11,000 feet?

Australia doesn't have any 11,000 feet mountains! 7,310 feet is our highest (Mount Kosciuszko) so by our standards, Mount Feathertop at 6,306 feet is a big one.

In Australia, alpine refers to areas where due to elevation trees can't grow and vegetation is restricted to dwarfed shrubs, alpine grasses and ground-hugging herbs. In Victoria, that occurs at about 6,000 feet.

29 posted on 08/31/2009 7:11:15 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: BlackVeil; library user

If there is any rhyme or reason as to what gets to be breaking news, I have yet to figure it out.

I posted an earthquake thread before the ground stopped shaking.

Not breaking news? What’s more breaking than an earthquake????


30 posted on 08/31/2009 7:58:37 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 222 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: antiunion person
Due to global weather, cold weather has hindered the search for the minister. Can we thank the environmentalists for this cold weather?

Absolutely, they now control the weather, so all blizzards, hurricanes, tornadoes and temperature extremes are their fault. At least I think so. I know I do not have the ability to control weather, no matter what I do, but they think differently, so it is their fault.

31 posted on 08/31/2009 9:53:09 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Actually, 32 degrees and drizzle will kill you faster than anything else. Much better 30 degrees and snow.


32 posted on 08/31/2009 9:53:13 AM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: naturalman1975

Alpine has the same meaning here but in Colorado it starts at 11,000 ft. I was wondering why it starts at 6,000 in Victoria but 11,000 in Colorado. I could have worded it a lot better though. The further one goes north on our continent the lower the treeline but you have to go all the way up to Montana to get close to a 6,000 feet treeline. I assume the lower elevations in Victoria have milder winters than those of Montana.


33 posted on 08/31/2009 9:57:46 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: naturalman1975
... Australia has decided the seasons should start at the beginnings of months...

When did that happen? I left in 1982, and, sadly, have not been back.

34 posted on 08/31/2009 10:32:35 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: BlackVeil

Having hiked in the Adirondacks in late autumn and early winter, I would say that if he was prepared for weather and has not injured himself, simply being lost in 0 Deg. C weather is certainly survivable.


35 posted on 08/31/2009 1:21:48 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Alas Babylon!
When did that happen? I left in 1982, and, sadly, have not been back.

It's been New South Wales practice since colonial times - sometime in the 19th century - although it's spread throughout the country in more recent years.

It supposedly arose because of the dates colonial era soldiers were allowed to switch from winter uniform to summer. Soldiers in their heavy winter uniforms (this was in the day when the redcoat was still the standard uniform) started keeling over on parade in early December and so the army declared summer would begin on the 1st December rather than the 21st and from there, they simply divided the rest of the year into three month seasons.

36 posted on 08/31/2009 3:12:06 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Makes sense! During the summer, I envied the RAAF getting to wear stubbies while us Yanks had to always wear trousers.

BTW, I left in 1984, not 82. I’m gettin’ old!


37 posted on 08/31/2009 4:10:25 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: naturalman1975
Tim Holding is one of the only socialist politicians I have met that I have any time for.

I have no idea of the man's philosophy and politics, as I am a world away from you (Montana, USA)- but I know the mettle of a man who can walk off into the mountains alone, the certainty, humbleness, and depth of resolve that rocky cathedrals pour out upon the soul of such a man...

Invariably, those who know wilderness of any kind know what it is to live, or would have died long ago. Surely one to ride the river with (What is it y'all say, "fair dinkum"?). It is that quality that I refer to.

38 posted on 08/31/2009 5:03:23 PM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: roamer_1; All

Just reported. He’s been sighted by chopper, alive, no further details yet.


39 posted on 08/31/2009 5:19:57 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: BlackVeil; GnuHere; DTogo; AZLiberty; kingattax; library user; Mr. Silverback; rogue yam; ...

Australian Minister Tim Holding reported found ‘alive and well.’


40 posted on 08/31/2009 5:30:00 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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