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What We Are Learning About the Era of Obama [Victor Davis Hanson]
pajamasmedia.com ^ | August 30, 2009 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/31/2009 5:37:03 AM PDT by Tolik

Means and Ends in the Age of Obama

One of the stranger things about this eerie first eight months of the Obama administration is how brazenly its supporters have been about the noble ends justifying the disreputable means.

Taxes for Thee

Take taxes. I thought the mantra was that the Bush tax cuts — equal percentages of cuts to all involved, an even greater number of households excused from the tax rolls altogether — were supposed to be cruel and proof of conservative selfishness.

Candidate Obama once in an interview seemed to agree that greater revenue ensued for the federal treasury, but he felt that such benefits were not worth the empowerment of so many to become so wealthy. In other words, higher taxes were good for those who make money — and avoiding or cutting them was unpatriotic and greedy.

We now witness Rep. Charles Rangel, who not only somehow on a congressman’s salary compiled hundreds of thousands in cash in various accounts, but also seems to have skipped out on almost every conceivable tax on such lucre. We know the tired story of Treasury Secretary Geithner, who not only skipped his FICA taxes, but pocketed the cash allowances allotted precisely for them. Whether a Chris Dodd or Tom Daschle, the story is the same — insider perks from low interest mortgages to free limousine service were never reported and never taxed.

There are two ways of making sense of this paradox. One, such liberals assume that their cosmic humanitarianism and brotherly egalitarianism exempt them from following mere mortal laws (e.g., as in “We are so divine on the important stuff that we deserve a pass on  small, insignificant matters”.) And two, in order to enact state planning, and superimpose an overarching government plan onto our own messy agendas, we must bow to a technocracy.

These gifted souls are like Plato’s Guardians —Übermenschen, trained at places like Harvard Law School, with government service at the Fed, years at this or that Cabinet post, or tenure in Congress under their belts, veterans of brief university postings. We are blessed with Geithners, Daschles, Obamas and others, and so can hardly demand they be bothered with minutiae like taxes, or following bureaucratic regulations governing gifts, whether Tony Rezko’s land deals or Friends of Angelo loan perks.

My Grass Roots, Your Astro-turfing

Examine also community organizing. The craft was caricatured by Rudy Giuliani at the Republican Convention as a sort of non-productive, busy-bodying, a dressed-up version of being paid to give out someone else’s money to someone arbitrarily deemed more deserving.

Be that as it may, the Obama mystique was wrapped up within such grassroots organizing and supposedly selfless public service. (Remember Michelle Obama’s referencing of how Barack could have been a cutthroat rich lawyer (I doubt that, since success in corporate law is not easy), but instead chose to go to Chicago to toil in the fields of the poor (alongside Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers)?)

But suddenly we are seeing a much more genuine form of community organizing. The team parties and town halls are not union-bussed in affairs. There are no federally-subsidized ACORN-like printed posters. Most are spontaneous protestors and dissidents, who don’t want to give up their private health care plans or endanger their Medicare privileges.

For this defiance they have been dubbed Neanderthals, mobs, unpatriotic, Nazis, and brown shirts. Community organizing and popular protest has gone from being seen as 1960s romance during the Bush years to sinister 1930s-like agitation in Italy and Germany. But the only thing that has changed is that now the community organizers are the establishment, and they don’t like being community organized. So once again, like raising taxes, we see that protest was always only a means to an ends, not an intrinsically necessary form of popular outrage.

Transparency

One of the great tropes of the campaign was that a hip, cool Obama was “one of us” and had nothing to hide. In contrast, the Bush-Cheney nexus was knee-deep in secretive oil deals and military profiteering, involving the likes of Halliburton and Blackwater. Secrecy, executive privilege, and stone-walling the press were the usual tools of such a disreputable trade.

So we got promises of web postings of all pending legislation (never quite followed). There would be no planted questions or sympathetic toadies scattered at conferences and town halls (never quite followed). Instead of Scott McClellan, we were going to get something like a cross between a wonk like Paul Krugman and cool Brad Pitt — and got Robert Gibbs. There are no promised complete logs of who goes in and out of the White House.

Wake-up?

Some of you say, “Well, yes, Victor, wake up, this is just politics”. Yes, of course, so “out of Iraq by March 2008” means 140,000 troops there in September 2009. I understand. Renditions and tribunals are Bush’s nefariousness, and my bite-the-lip necessities.

The point is thus twofold. The messianic promises proved

(a) not just to be false,

(b) but far less idealistic in reality than of those now castigated.

“Culture of corruption” translated into Murtha, Rangel, and Dodd. 
No more lobbyists meant more than ever.
Fiscal sobriety means $9 trillion more in borrowing.
"Cash for clunkers" translates into borrowing millions to destroy perfectly good autos to allow down payments for consumers to go more in debt to buy imported compacts.
“Stimulus” means more borrowing and little stimulation.
Health-care reform envisions those who run the DMV or the cash for clunkers program deciding whether you really need that MRI for the lump on your neck.

 

I’ll finish with a few lessons learned thus far about Obamics.

1)   Please do not vote in any national election for any politician from Chicago. Yes, I know that statement is biased and blinkered, and there are wonderful people in Chicago politics. But after Tony Rezco, Blago, Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod, the history of the Obama campaigns — all of that superimposed on a half-century of two Mayor Daleys and Harold Washington — the odds are you will be getting the “Chicago Way,” like it or not.

2) Do not believe there is really anything much left to “race.” Just as feminism has descended into abortion rights (“for it” means that an aristocratic millionaire who married into a corporate fortune is a grass-roots feminist; “against it” means that a mom of five who came up from Wasilla is not a feminist), so too “minority” means nothing much at all these days.

Obama was the proof of the pudding. He was only half-African, but according to our Civil War-era race thinking that made him “black” — although he shared nothing in common with the black experience. He was not “African-American” at all, and without anyone in his family who had been born black in America. We know nothing about his undergraduate transcript in part because of fears the right will demagogue it, wanting to know how his record translated into admission to Harvard Law School.

Affirmative action is a sort of cruel joke: Barack Obama, schooled in prep school and raised as a middle class kid by white grandparents, is a “minority” in a way that a poor, jet-black Punjabi immigrant, a lower-class white kid from Tulare, or an Arab-American daughter of a taxi-driver is not, at least for purposes of government set-asides.

And add the politics: a right-wing African-American is considered inauthentic; but a liberal African-American is deserving of reparations. A black Reaganite who grew up under Jim Crow in the South and overcame vile racism to become a professional is now considered less “black” than someone near-white, who grew up in the 1960s North, and received identity-politics deference. No, minority has not much to do any more with racial discrimination, but everything to do with careerism and politics.

3)   There is no more media. The New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC, CNBC, NPR, etc. are ministries of truth for Obama. Yes, of course, they are balanced now by Drudge, Fox News, the bloggers, and talk radio.

But that is the point, isn’t it? At one time (true or not) the former pretended to be disinterested outlets for news in the manner the latter never did (with some exceptions at Fox). Now we simply have a European-style press — one paper is left, the other right, and the news is made to fit each. I think we essentially always had a leftwing bias at a CBS or NPR, but with Obama at least the old pretense was shattered. An anchorman at ABC, or an editor at the Washington Post or Newsweek is now simply the liberal version of Hannity, without the honesty.

4) The Good Life. Obama vacations in Martha’s Vineyard, Bush in Crawford Texas. Nancy Pelosi wants twice the private jet that the prior Denny Hassert enjoyed. Edwards’s two nations really mean his mansion and those down the road. The really tony environmentalist pundits and activists think slapping on some solar panels on a five-car garage, or putting up a windmill out in front of the gazebo, is an “offset.”

I used to think that the elite left’s obsession with the good life was an amusing act of hypocrisy (gone are the Democrat’s Harry Trumans), but lately it seems far more interesting and complicated. It is almost a personality quirk: the more one desires to have private jets, influential friends, the status that comes with the right location, right schools, and the right job, the more likely one is to mouth the “correct” ideology. Elite liberalism, as we see with the Obamas and their cohorts (and with the Clinton clique as well), is no contradiction. If anything, privilege is the proper compensation for being “good” and “right” on things.

5) The United States remains a center-right country. Obama’s policies, all without exception, poll badly. His own approval ratings are tanking faster than almost any president in recent history. Oh yes, we may all be on the government take with mortgage deductions, Medicare, and Social Security, but that does not mean we like socialism. Again, we are in a race for America: how fast can Obama get his agenda through before his own unpopularity dooms it? I think he is just one more, but clearly has one more, setback away from failure. So the end of the year will be interesting since nothing is now assured and everything is in play.


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhofascism; bhotyranny; democrats; enemedia; liberalfascism; msm; obama; obamedia; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 08/31/2009 5:37:03 AM PDT by Tolik
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index:
War — What War? We have public confusion about both wars: Iraq and Afghanistan
Obama and "Redistributive Change". His real agenda
Obama vs. Obama "The fault, dear Barack, is not in our stars, But in ourselves"
The Strange Case of the Obama Meltdown
The Obama Administration : What Went Wrong
Our Road to Oceania
When America Will Become Europe. Thoughts of Our European Future to Come
Bullying Israel-only country with which the U.S. has worse relations since Obama took office
Prairie-Fire Anger. Why Are People in Revolt?
Obama's Great Race to Change America
Obama’s Path Not Taken. What Might Have Happened
On Shearing Sheep (relentless hostility to small business)
The War Against the Producers
A Thug’s Primer - How to win liberal friends and oppress your people
What Do these First Six Months Mean? Where Are We Going?
The New Orwellianism
Our Historically Challenged President. A list of distortions
I No Longer Quite Believe ... [Victor Davis Hanson on Orwellian media & science, race relations]
The Reckoning. Obama Versus the Way of the Universe
President Palin’s First 100 Days. Imagine if Sarah Palin had Obama’s record
Confessions of a Contrarian [deconstructing Obama, the Left and more]
Thoughts About Depressed Americans
Bush Did It. What a difference an election makes [Brilliant Parody]
Our Battered American [gets angrier - Must Read Rant]
Just a partial list. Much more at the link:  http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index
2 posted on 08/31/2009 5:38:26 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; SJackson; dennisw; kellynla; monkeyshine; Alouette; nopardons; ...

 

  Ping !

Let me know if you want in or out.

Links:   

FR Index of his articles:  http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/victordavishanson/index
NRO archive: http://author.nationalreview.com/?q=MjI1MQ==
Pajamasmedia:  http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/
His website: http://victorhanson.com/

3 posted on 08/31/2009 5:39:22 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

4 posted on 08/31/2009 5:40:32 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Tolik

Interesting read, although the piece could have used some editing. “Team parties”?


5 posted on 08/31/2009 5:42:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have freedom. You can have socialism. But you can't have both! www.AIPNEWS.com)
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To: Tolik
poor, jet-black Punjabi immigrant

I don't think VDH is familiar with India. Not very many jet-black people in Punjab.

Other parts of India, sure, but not the Punjab.

6 posted on 08/31/2009 5:50:03 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Tolik

Elite liberalism Motto:

Do as I SAY, Not as I DO...


7 posted on 08/31/2009 5:51:47 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Tolik
We learned one thing: going WAY Left in terms of politics is asking for trouble, as the fiasco with H.R. 3200 all too clearly demonstrates with all those raucous "townhall" meetings.

I still think President Obama will eventually come to his senses and realize that the best way to grow the economy is to change our tax laws to encourage more personal savings and capital investment staying in the USA.

8 posted on 08/31/2009 5:53:30 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Tolik
Excellent from VDH as always.
9 posted on 08/31/2009 5:55:23 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Sure. It’s his blog - no editing there. Spell check won’t help for such typos. I missed that too :^)


10 posted on 08/31/2009 6:00:41 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
...such liberals assume that their cosmic humanitarianism and brotherly egalitarianism exempt them from following mere mortal laws (e.g., as in “We are so divine on the important stuff that we deserve a pass on small, insignificant matters”.)

Oh, it's far, far worse than that, Dr. Hanson. The people who've now gotten their hands on the apparatus of the American State would rather rule in Hell than live in peace with the rest of us. They will happily reduce Western civilization to stinking pile of rubble and corpses as long as they believe that they will be the ones sitting on top of the ruins. Why? Because a free and prosperous people cannot be enslaved. They must be broken first. Laid waste, just as Machiavelli prescribed so long ago:

"When cities or provinces have been accustomed to live under a prince... they do not know how to live in freedom... and a prince can win them over with greater faculty and establish himself securely. But in republics, there is greater life...they do not and cannot cast aside the memory of their ancient liberty, so that the surest way to conquer them is to lay them waste."
      --This, from Machiavelli's most famous work, The Prince

Take a good long look at what’s happening now in America. Then dare to turn around and take another look. If what they're saying doesn't square with what they're doing; if it looks like there's an concerted effort to destroy our once Constitutional Republic and replace it with... something else - then you're probably right. None of what's happening today makes any sense at all unless you look at it that way - and then it makes a perfectly clear and terrible sort of sense, doesn't it?

Anyone with any sense of history and knowledge of with whom Obama has put into positions of unaccountable power can understand that there is only one way this can end.

11 posted on 08/31/2009 6:01:09 AM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: RayChuang88

“I still think President Obama will eventually come to his senses...”

I’ve seen musing on this already: who is more pragmatic - Clinton or Obama? Remember, after campaigning as a moderate “new democrat”, Clinton started with some aggressive liberal agenda as well. But after 1994 Gingrich republican revolution, Clinton was forced into a reality. With help from Dick Morris he successfully triangulated many issues. Together with republican congress they did actually some good for the country and Clinton earned his “pragmatist” label. It’s a very much open question whether Obama after 2010 loss of congress (hopefully) can show any pragmatic traits. So far I don’t see them.


12 posted on 08/31/2009 6:10:13 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: RayChuang88
I still think President Obama will eventually come to his senses and realize that the best way to grow the economy is to change our tax laws to encourage more personal savings and capital investment staying in the USA.

You're kidding, right? 0Bama and his minders are hell-bent (literally) on destroying this country. They hate it. They hate us. As my earlier post suggests, they would rather rule in hell, than leave us alone to live and prosper in peace. The pedigree of their ideas has tyranny at its root and slaughter, atrocity and enslavement as its outcome. Obama and those behind him are evil - it is plain, naked, smirking evil.

13 posted on 08/31/2009 6:15:25 AM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: RayChuang88
I still think President Obama will eventually come to his senses and realize that the best way to grow the economy is to change our tax laws to encourage more personal savings and capital investment staying in the USA.

You're projecting onto Obama a mindset that just isn't there. During the campaign on April 16, 2008, when Charlie Gibson asked him why Obama advocates increasing the capital gains tax when an increase would actually decrease revenues to the government (as it always has), he replied "[I] would look at raising the capital gains tax for the purposes of fairness." In other words: Barack Obama could care less about growing the economy "to encourage personal savings and capital investment staying in the USA" as you suggest. He's made that very clear. His ambition is to "spread the wealth" as he told Joe the Plumber for the purpose of "fairness", even if it means destroying wealth, and lowering the tide to sink everybody's ship as he does it.

Barack Obama is a cognitively competent adult man who means exactly what he says. Why everybody seems so inclined to ignore what he says or continues to entertain hopes that he doesn't mean what he says, is a mystery to me.

14 posted on 08/31/2009 6:16:44 AM PDT by leilani
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To: Sherman Logan

That’s why the kid had to emmigrate.


15 posted on 08/31/2009 6:19:03 AM PDT by csmusaret (If you like this economy, keep voting for Donkeys.)
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To: leilani
Why everybody seems so inclined to ignore what he says or continues to entertain hopes that he doesn't mean what he says, is a mystery to me.

What mystery? It's just too scary to take him at his word and, in doing so, too many would have to admit that they were fools in voting for him.
16 posted on 08/31/2009 6:19:10 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Noumenon
have you seen this one: Obama and "Redistributive Change". His real agenda [Victor Davis Hanson]

 

17 posted on 08/31/2009 6:21:13 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: leilani

Why everybody seems so inclined to ignore...Pretty broad concept there leilani.


18 posted on 08/31/2009 6:23:20 AM PDT by csmusaret (If you like this economy, keep voting for Donkeys.)
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To: aruanan

I just think it’s amazing that so many people of my own acquaintance who pat themselves on the back for being so virtuous for having voted for an “african-american” (which he is not, as VDH points out in the OP) as some testament to their belief in racial equality, are the first ones to patronise him so blatantly. They don’t take him at his word, as they would any other adult politican of any other race. They seem to regard him as some kind of brain-damaged child who’s just talking through his hat. It’s THEY who do not respect him as an equal, it seems to me.


19 posted on 08/31/2009 6:24:53 AM PDT by leilani
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To: csmusaret
Well ok, geez, I was speaking to Ray (to whose post I was responding) and every one else like him who keep giving Obama the benefit of the doubt even though POTUS keeps giving them irrefutable evidence to contradict those benefits.
20 posted on 08/31/2009 6:27:48 AM PDT by leilani
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To: Tolik

>> These gifted souls are like Plato’s Guardians

Word!


21 posted on 08/31/2009 6:31:47 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: RayChuang88
I still think President Obama will eventually come to his senses and realize that the best way to grow the economy ...

This guy doesn't want to grow the economy.

He has spent his entire adult life associating with and actively seeking-out the company of people who want to destroy this country.

THAT is his goal - to destroy this country, to turn it into a third-world socialist hellhole.

22 posted on 08/31/2009 6:36:05 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Tolik

bump


23 posted on 08/31/2009 6:45:24 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: RayChuang88
I still think President Obama will eventually come to his senses and realize that the best way to grow the economy is to change our tax laws to encourage more personal savings and capital investment staying in the USA.
He knows that, or he never will. He never will act on it, because he wants to do the opposite - and he is entirely content with what that does to us.

He knows that all he has to do is print an arbitrarily large number of dollars, and even if we may have more dollars than ever we will lose our independence because our dollars won't actually be money anymore.


24 posted on 08/31/2009 7:04:04 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (SPENDING without representation is tyranny. To represent us you have to READ THE BILLS.)
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To: Noumenon

You got that right! Obama hates the middle class, he hates capitalism, he hates our Faith, He hates the fact that our CIA kept us safe for 8 years. I used to joke at the people who said Barack was a terrorist muslim plant, but now I’m not so sure. We would have been better off electing Hugo Chavez as President. At least we would have known where he stood on the issues!


25 posted on 08/31/2009 7:15:53 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: Tolik
3) There is no more media. The New York Times, the Washington Post, NBC, CNBC, NPR, etc. are ministries of truth for Obama.

VDH is so correct about the news media

I watched video of yesterday's Steffi show, (because of the appearance of Liz Cheney), and actually heard Gwen Ifill say that the Townhalls have gotten so much publicity because there have been no shark attacks or hurricanes on which the media could focus. The townhalls "filled a void this August."

She was not being ironic or sarcastic!! Libs have no sense of humor. She was demonstrating her leftist brain lock.

26 posted on 08/31/2009 7:21:52 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Noumenon

I agree with you.

Why do leftist apologists state sincerely that people in other countries “will like us better” if we are not so strong and prosperous?

Why do millions of people in other countries try in every way possible to become part of American prosperity?

Why do leftists refuse to even acknowledge that our strength and remaining freedoms are the engine that keeps the world on as even a keel as is possible?

Because they hate the Ideals of America.


27 posted on 08/31/2009 7:27:30 AM PDT by maica (Politics is not about facts. it is about what politicians can get people to believe. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Tolik
We now witness Rep. Charles Rangel, who not only somehow on a congressman’s salary compiled hundreds of thousands in cash in various accounts, but also seems to have skipped out on almost every conceivable tax on such lucre. We know the tired story of Treasury Secretary Geithner, who not only skipped his FICA taxes, but pocketed the cash allowances allotted precisely for them. Whether a Chris Dodd or Tom Daschle, the story is the same — insider perks from low interest mortgages to free limousine service were never reported and never taxed.

There are two ways of making sense of this paradox. One, such liberals assume that their cosmic humanitarianism and brotherly egalitarianism exempt them from following mere mortal laws (e.g., as in “We are so divine on the important stuff that we deserve a pass on small, insignificant matters”.)

This is why these shallow corrupt men are the first to scream "racism". Taking on the KluKluxKlan ( in their minds ) become the reason and excuse for them so they can steal from their fellow citizens.

These deluded liberals are "functioning at such a high level - mere laws don't apply to them". So the predictable thin skinned freak out that happens when any black person is "dissed" becomes the moral equivalent in their minds of a lynching. Without the bogus mantra of being protectors against the Klan, they have no excuse for their criminal behavior.

The press uses the same excuses for their extreme bias and hatred toward their fellow citizens. Raines of the New York Times was falling on his sword for upper class women and some Country Club deal - acting like it was the same as defending people being denied the vote in a racist 50 's south.

These self serving games by the liberal elite would be funny if they weren't so destructive to the culture.

28 posted on 08/31/2009 7:49:42 AM PDT by GOPJ (What's Socialism ??: "Envy" gussied up as a political cause...... David Horowitz)
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To: Tolik

GREAT column! Thanks for posting it.


29 posted on 08/31/2009 8:03:07 AM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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To: Tolik

Thanks! Kick tail and take names.


30 posted on 08/31/2009 9:23:24 AM PDT by wizr ( Freedom ain't free, and common sense ain't common, it's a gift, from God.)
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To: Tolik

Good one from VDR. BTW: Am I the only person who thinks that he looks like John Malkovich?


31 posted on 08/31/2009 9:26:45 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: aruanan
What mystery? It's just too scary to take him at his word and, in doing so, too many would have to admit that they were fools in voting for him.

Very true, and on the occasions where I have informed people- from the checkout person in Whole Foods to 20-something kids of friends and their friends- the looks on their faces when I tell them some horrifying truths about this administration, who they and what they've done- is one of fear and anxiety.

Their stunned disbelief when I explained the Honduras situation to them- what happened there and what obozo has said about it, and now the withholding of aid- causes consternation in their faces. The proof is in the pudding.
32 posted on 08/31/2009 10:15:23 AM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: 2nd Amendment
I always thought it was obvious he's a terrorist muslim plant, he has practactky admitted it himself in the various slip ups and gaffs in his interviews.

Someone should edit them altogether.

33 posted on 08/31/2009 10:38:52 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Tolik

I think Obama has bought into his own hype. He’s surrounded by so many sycophants and media cheerleaders that he doesn’t believe his policies are as unpopular as they really are and he doesn’t realize the jeopardy his presidency is in.

I think that if he faces, and knows he faces, the choice between achieving his policy goals and getting a second term, he’ll go with the second term. The problem is that he still thinks he can have both. He’ll probably continue to think that right up until 2 November 2010, the events of which are going to be difficult for his handlers to explain away.


34 posted on 08/31/2009 11:01:19 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Noumenon

Absolutely true. It’s called a revolution backed by the United States Military CO


35 posted on 08/31/2009 11:02:58 AM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: Noumenon

Unfortunately, I agree with you.
“Professional liberals are too arrogant to compromise. In my experience, they were also very unpleasant people on a personal level. Behind their slogans about saving the world and sharing the wealth with the common man lurked a nasty hunger for power. They’d double-cross their own mothers to get it or keep it.”
- Harry S Truman, pp. 55, American Heritage 7/8 1992, from a 1970 interview —


36 posted on 08/31/2009 11:16:41 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: Tolik

That’s why the ‘progressives’ rejected Hillary in 2008. They felt betrayed by Bill. Obama has his orders.


37 posted on 08/31/2009 11:21:19 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: leilani

“Barack Obama is a cognitively competent adult man who means exactly what he says. Why everybody seems so inclined to ignore what he says or continues to entertain hopes that he doesn’t mean what he says, is a mystery to me.”

Yet the same was done to Adolph Hitler. It is a classic case of wishful thinking.


38 posted on 08/31/2009 11:49:04 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Tolik

“These gifted souls are like Plato’s Guardians —Übermenschen, trained at places like Harvard Law School, with government service at the Fed, years at this or that Cabinet post, or tenure in Congress under their belts, veterans of brief university postings. We are blessed with Geithners, Daschles, Obamas and others, and so can hardly demand they be bothered with minutiae like taxes, or following bureaucratic regulations governing gifts, whether Tony Rezko’s land deals or Friends of Angelo loan perks.”

This is the European way. Europe was always less egalitarian and less democratic than us. That became an entrenched technocracy with the advent of the European Union. We are headed that way with unelected, not vetted Czars.


39 posted on 08/31/2009 12:47:10 PM PDT by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: RayChuang88

I still think President Obama will eventually come to his senses and realize that the best way to grow the economy

Still? He’s had plenty of time to come to his senses, the Stimulus is a verifiable failure. Obama just hoped things would get better so he could obscure his real Socialist Hate America agenda


40 posted on 08/31/2009 1:03:22 PM PDT by Son House (President Ă˜bama Turns His Back On The Oppressed During Their Darkest Hours)
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To: Noumenon

Agree 100%. When ostammer won the election we HOPED that this was not the truth, but my husband and I both knew it was a false hope.


41 posted on 08/31/2009 1:46:12 PM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: The Pack Knight

Obama is a tool - a very disposable tool once his liabilities exceed his value as a mouthpiece and a destroyer. There’s your Reichstag Fire event...


42 posted on 08/31/2009 2:02:59 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Tolik

Similar to Glenn Beck’s series of shows last week discussing the czars and the lies of this administration. Don’t trust anything out of Washington especially if it comes from the White House or anybody tied to the White House. It is most likely a lie.


43 posted on 08/31/2009 2:17:51 PM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: leilani
If Obama does raise taxes, he risks facing a GIGANTIC backlash from "blue dog" Democrats--which is a huge fraction of the middle class here in the USA. Historically, it is the middle class that economically grew this country, and losing the middle class to create a huge working class and a small elite class is asking for a backlash that will be akin what happened to the American colonies after 1763.
44 posted on 08/31/2009 4:40:43 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Tolik
Oh yes, we may all be on the government take with mortgage deductions, Medicare, and Social Security, but that does not mean we like socialism.

No, people aren't on the government take because they may avail themselves of a mortgage deduction. Only a simpleton wouldn't take advantage of a small mitigation in the outright theft of their income to fund overwhelmingly leftist causes.

Medicare and Social Security have been funded by further theft, paycheck by paycheck, by government fiat over which the income producer has no control, and has never had control.

45 posted on 08/31/2009 4:53:12 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Tolik

VDH mentions 0bama’s numbers tanking. There is actually quite a bit more going on underneath that fact, namely that the media he depended upon for his accession to power haven’t deserted him, but their own influence seems suddenly to have fractured along ideological fault lines leaving the media stranded across a river of mistrust from the bulk of center-right America. That isn’t a gap that seems likely to close in the near future, and they brought it upon themselves. Expect them to become more strident, more insistent, and more mendacious as his numbers continue to drop. They’re losing it, they know they’re losing it, and the same old tricks aren’t going to bring it back.


46 posted on 08/31/2009 5:08:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Obama's policies, all without exception, poll badly. His own approval ratings are tanking faster than almost any president in recent history. Oh yes, we may all be on the government take with mortgage deductions, Medicare, and Social Security, but that does not mean we like socialism. Again, we are in a race for America: how fast can Obama get his agenda through before his own unpopularity dooms it? I think he is just one more, but clearly has one more, setback away from failure.

47 posted on 08/31/2009 5:32:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Noumenon

Once he becomes more valuable as a martyr than as a teleprompter reader, he’s doomed.


48 posted on 08/31/2009 6:04:19 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
THAT is his goal - to destroy this country, to turn it into a third-world socialist hellhole.

And that is hard for many folks to swallow. Why would you want to turn your own home into a hellhole?

I happen to agree that he wants to drastically change things, but the hellhole is a stop on to the way to the real goal. As noted previously, going to a socialist hellhole is the way to destroy this country to make room for and a need for an aristocracy, a ruling class. The goal is power, not destruction. The destruction is a means. The seduction is that they want the power to do 'good'.

The 'good' goals will continually change, but the need for power will remain, as that is the real goal under all the lies.

49 posted on 09/01/2009 4:40:59 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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