Posted on 08/31/2009 6:03:38 AM PDT by GreatOne
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4
Well, it stands to reason the publicity-hungry Kennedys sent that letter as a press release.
Those who are not Roman Catholics have yet to see one pro-abortion candidate refused the sacraments in any public ceremony. Rather, the RCC has, incredibly, singled out high and mighty abortion-supporters, not for excommunication, but for high honors and praise.
Diocese after diocese is staring at bankruptcy, paying enormous damages to the (young male) victims of sexual abuse by the clergy. Gay clergy? The RCC has one de facto.
Ireland, the mothership of American Catholicism, is awash in the scandals of literally thousands of cases of sexual abuse and torture in the workhouses run by the Christian Brothers, the Dominicans, The Sisters of Charity, and a dozen other orders. Paternity suits, and suits brought for sexual abuse against priests and bishops number in the hundreds.
Without the RCC....homosexual behavior would probably be not only be fully legalized, but legitimized in mainstream culture....
NEWSFLASHThis has already happened. Let us hope Holy Mother Church can make a comeback under tougher bishops and clergy. But in all candor, I do not see the encouraging start you sense around you. Neither can I defend the church against the harsh judgment of those who are bewildered by this blatant hypocrisy. I agree with them.
In re Kennedy's funeral. It is a scandal. Any bishop worthy of the name would have made sure the church part of the services were very low key, very ordinary, and privately celebrated in a remote monastery chapel, of which there is no lack in New England. Instead, we have a serial rapist and known abuser of women celebrated at a Marian Basilica? Who allowed that?
I am sure that Ted Kennedy's sins can be forgiven, just as my own. However, I don't celebrate mine. Why should the RCC celebrate, or at least tacitly condone, his?
Sister Catherine is asking all the Catholic school children in fourth grade what they want to be when they grow up.
Little Sheila says: "When I grow up, I want to be a prostitute!"
Sister Catherine's eyes grow wide and she barks: "What the (beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb) did you say?"
"A prostitute!" Sheila repeats.
Sister Catherine breathes a sight of relief and says: "Thank God! I thought you said a Protestant"
It is Catholics that have been voting liberal for a 100 years. Without the Catholic vote America would be an entirely different country, imagine republicans winning in 1940 and 1960 for instance. The sixties would not even have happened, immigration would not have happened among countless other leaps that the left made under democrat administrations.
Ted Kennedy is dead to me.
I truly hope he repented. I can’t wish hell on anyone, even the worst. If anybody here has contemplated what hell is really like, and read of the saints whom God priveldged to see it for themselves I think would or should feel the same. It’s unimaginable even with their descriptions of it. Souls tearing themselves apart, demons tormenting them constantly, and absolutely no chance to make even one act of love. Rage, hate, fiery torment, no let up, ever, forever.
Who would want to keep company with Satan for even one minute, or wish it on another?a Look folks, we have to forgive him, Christ said so. Doesn’t mean though we have to sit idly by while they do their evil deeds. So hard to pray for people like this, but I will.
“I have always tried to be a faithful Catholic, Your Holiness. I’ve voted for abortion because little things aren’t people until they learn social skills that help society instead of just leeching from it. I’ve voted for gay marriage because God’s holy sanctimony of marriage is outdated because the ‘people have hcanged’. I’ve tried to undermine a istting president by collaborating with America’s enemies. I’ve only murdered one person (that I know of). I’ve been a drunken loudmouth for as long as I can remember. I’ve cheated on my wife- then divorced her. I mean C’mon Your holiness- These aren’t so bad are they?”
Yeah, and an ordinary person like me was refused the Sacraments for getting married. Go figure!
[[Kennedy Catholicism is the belief that you can get to heaven by presenting yourself as a caring public servant to the great unwashed.]]
And presentign yourself as the poor poor victim of the ‘kennedy curse’ when you murder someone
He did but I think the so called church he belonged to was some version of Lutheran. There was a thread here on FR about the praise he got from the pulpit.
We do not know if he was forgiven........as I said, the judgement of his guilt is made by a higher authority. The church service was merely interceding for his soul.
The Church didn’t have to go all out whole-hog the way it did for Teddy......
The church service for Teddy is the one given to all Catholics---great and small. Of course, Teddy's eulogizers were not the norm. Anyone who wants to eulogize is invited to speak----even if he is a president.
It’s all very complicated.
Obama eulogized Teddy while he had praised Ayers’ book that was dedicated to Shiran who killed Bobby ... the Lord has mysterious ways.
The Catholic church loses all credibility when it looks the other way at the likes of Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, etc.
Limited numbers of human leaders of the Church appear to look the other way.
That letter doesn’t sound at all like Ted was at all sorry for his sins. No wonder the Pope didn’t answer...that was not about repentance in the true sense of the word, but ego gratification.
While individual Protestants oppose those things, is there a Protestant institution that has taken such high profile opposition as has the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church falls short, most definitely, but to hear Protestants criticize it, when major Protestant denominations are permitting open/active homosexuals to play prominent positions in their leadership, and are notably silent with respect to the holocaust of abortion, it really does seem hypocritical.
[[Presuming that Kennedy went to confession and received the Last Rites, then he was in good standing with the Church at the end (for that purpose).]]
In ‘good standing’ with a church that would NOT excommunicate someone who flagrantly VIOLATED God’s word? Sorry- but that ‘good standing’ is meaningless IF ‘the Church’ isn’t goign to take a stand for morality, and let someone like Ted slide and ‘absolve’ him of his flagrant violations
[[But it’s more important to them to allow immoral behavior.]]
Precisely- it’s left it’s higher calling, sjirked it’s moral responsibility, and devolved into a moraly bankrupt political machine- Christ didn’t allow the hypocrites to go unexposed- He caleld sin sin even htough it wasn’t ‘the politically expedient’ thing to do!
“The Church” doesn’t look the other way. The church is Christ, and he sees it all. Human leaders of the Church appear to look the other way.
Amen.
I thought i heard Cardinal McCarrick say that it was being read at Ted’s own request, as he planned out what he wanted done at his funeral prior to his death.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.