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To: Bob017
I love South Africa. I love the land and I love the people. It's paradise on earth.

But to be safe there, you have to live like a rat in a cage. Bars on the windows. Security gates on the doors. Burglar alarms connected to armed response service. Gated communities with armed security to prevent carjackings on residential streets. And none of this is 100% effective.

Police response time to crimes in progress is abysmal, and would be laughable were it not so sad. They might show in half an hour or forty five minutes. Armed robbers even come into restaurants, make everyone lie down on the floor, and rob them all. Happened at two restaurants I frequented, although not while I was present.

A South African girl born today has a better chance of being raped than of learning to read.

The laws are not on the side of the victim. If a robber breaks into your house and you shoot him, you still must prove self defense in court (meaning proving that your life was in danger) or else you can be charged with murder, for killing a robber/rapist/whatever in your own home.

It's not impossible to legally obtain a gun, but it's very, very difficult. Illegal guns, however, are cheap and plentiful. In Durban I can get a .45 pistol on the street for $100 US, no sweat.

Even in wealthy neighborhoods, there is rampant crime, home break-ins, robberies, random murders. There is no such thing as a safe neighborhood. Except where the politicians live under heavily armed guard.

But I still want to go back. I even have thoughts of living there for longer than I did before. Call me crazy.

8 posted on 09/01/2009 8:27:08 PM PDT by squidly
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To: squidly

Sounds a little like Mexico. The wife of a guy I grew up with works for the president of Mexico in some capacity, she has a bodyguard, one for her son and one for her husband when he visits. His son is with him now in the states and doesn’t want to go back because it frightens him and he’s only 5.


9 posted on 09/01/2009 8:53:16 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: squidly

>But to be safe there, you have to live like a rat in a cage. Bars on the windows. Security gates on the doors. Burglar alarms connected to armed response service. Gated communities with armed security to prevent carjackings on residential streets. And none of this is 100% effective.

Police response time to crimes in progress is abysmal, and would be laughable were it not so sad. They might show in half an hour or forty five minutes. Armed robbers even come into restaurants, make everyone lie down on the floor, and rob them all. Happened at two restaurants I frequented, although not while I was present.

The laws are not on the side of the victim. If a robber breaks into your house and you shoot him, you still must prove self defense in court (meaning proving that your life was in danger) or else you can be charged with murder, for killing a robber/rapist/whatever in your own home.

It’s like you described Chicago. I worked for a SAn back in Vancouver and she pretty much described Johannesburg. Just like America, it’s the white liberals who are surrendering their rights to the criminals out of politial correctness. She loves Mandela but what they suspected after he was elected came true and not one white said it, that deep down he was an Obama..hates whitey.


10 posted on 09/01/2009 8:58:03 PM PDT by max americana (i)
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To: squidly
Armed robbers even come into restaurants, make everyone lie down on the floor, and rob them all.

You've just described Oakland, California.

12 posted on 09/01/2009 9:35:07 PM PDT by thecodont
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