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Could George W. Bush end up behind bars?
CNN.com ^ | 09/04/09 | Staff

Posted on 09/04/2009 3:02:28 PM PDT by OldDeckHand

(CNN) -- Could George W. Bush or some of his top aides end up behind bars?

It's extremely unlikely, but the Obama administration is taking its first steps along a path that could lead in that direction, with the investigation of Central Intelligence Agency interrogators involved in the war on terror.

"You don't know where these things are going to end up," former CIA agent Peter Brookes told me. "They could go to very high levels in the government."

The probe will focus on whether interrogators exceeded their instructions and broke the law when, for example, they choked a prisoner until he lost consciousness or threatened another one with a gun and a power drill.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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To: Favor Center

Amen, and well said! He also said we had to give up capitalism in order to save it.


251 posted on 09/05/2009 7:28:05 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: ohioWfan

“If you observed President Bush one single day, you would have seen the fruit of his redemption in Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior. As a believer, it would have been impossible to miss.”

You actually followed him around for a whole day? His redemption is between him and God. His actions as President are what we have to live with.


252 posted on 09/05/2009 7:28:20 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
There is no way to debate a blind man.

Have a good day, Favor Center. And make sure to fight the Marxists, not the good guy.

253 posted on 09/05/2009 7:28:52 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

“The lack of priorities, the lack of conservatism, the lack of values, the lack of concern for the Constitution in people who call themselves conservatives, is overwhelming.”

Yes.... Bush did call himself a conservative, after all....


254 posted on 09/05/2009 7:29:23 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

Stupidly argumentative. Missing the point deliberately. Blindness. Good bye.


255 posted on 09/05/2009 7:29:54 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

“And make sure to fight the Marxists, not the good guy.”

Bush wasn’t the “good guy”. Liberals aren’t the “good guys”.

It is your conceit that we are the ones blind, but the reality is different.


256 posted on 09/05/2009 7:31:21 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
His actions as President are what we have to live with.

No terrorist attacks on our soil after 9/11. A lot of us can "live" with that.

Now trundle back to Idiotville from whence you oozed.

257 posted on 09/05/2009 7:32:27 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: behzinlea

“No terrorist attacks on our soil after 9/11. A lot of us can “live” with that. “

30,000 or so dead due to illegal aliens since 9/11.

A lot of us can’t live with that.

“Now trundle back to Idiotville from whence you oozed.”

Sorry, I’m not from Washington, DC.


258 posted on 09/05/2009 7:36:13 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: reefdiver

I agree. Conservatives are slow to act. It is their nature.

I have said that this cold war will only end when one party is either removed or withdraws from the field.


259 posted on 09/05/2009 7:39:33 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Godwin1

Are you delusional? The left has infiltrated every single major instituion in this country and controls it. Yes even the CIA, the state department, most government bureaucrats are leftists and remain so even during republican administrations because they don’t purge the lower ranks. they control media, education, major foundations, unions, wall street, communications. They have been at it since the first comintern in 1917. Their job is almost totally complete with the exception of some rare pockets. Do you actually believe they left the military alone? That somehow they don’t have their minions in high echelon positions of power?


260 posted on 09/05/2009 7:46:15 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: ohioWfan
You are all over the place on this. You need to keep your personal feelings about Bush in check. He is a big boy and I am sure that his “people” can help guide him through the murky waters of political chicanery.

And last time I checked conservatives were not guided by personality cults and emotions like the red guards that are in control now.

Get a grip.

261 posted on 09/05/2009 7:46:58 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: antisocial

“Amen, and well said! He also said we had to give up capitalism in order to save it.”

If there are legit historians in the future, that statement of his will be remembered.


262 posted on 09/05/2009 7:48:43 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center; ohioWfan
he SIGNED CFR after saying he KNEW it was unconstitutional.

You are correct...he should NOT have signed it knowing it was unconstitutional. He honestly believed that SCOTUS would shoot it down, apparently not realizing they do not give a damn about the Constitution!

The rest of this story requires one to look at the background and the facts surrounding CFR and to actually THINK for once!

The bill had been in the works for at least 5 years with George Soros behind it and providing the money to push it.

The originators of the bill were McCain, Feingold and FRED THOMPSON! Yes, McCain the so-called republican 2008 presidential candidate and the so-called "conservative grass-roots" candidate that had to be drug out from the moth balls. Many of the same folks that berate President Bush for CFR, which we heard little to nothing about during the '08 election cycle, are the very ones that "recruited" Fred Thompson.

Next, look at the date of the vote on the bill as posted below. I've already highlighted the pertinent information for you.
Think of what was going on at the time. This bill had been ready to go for a long time. Why was this particular time in history chosen for the vote?

Please note what was required to pass the bill. Notice the number of YEA votes??? Had President Bush not signed this bill, they would have voted to override his veto.
If you do not believe that, you may want to go back and research the private war John McCain was waging against President Bush at the time.

XML U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On Passage of the Bill (Passage of H.R. 2356 )
Vote Number: 54
Vote Date: March 20, 2002, 06:23 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 2356 (Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002
Measure Title: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to provide bipartisan campaign reform.

Vote Counts: YEAs 60
NAYs 40

I agree with ohioWfan: “PATHETIC LITTLE PEOPLE

263 posted on 09/05/2009 8:02:05 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: combat_boots
Soros wants W and TOTUS will try to give him to it......

With the help of good number of FReepers!

264 posted on 09/05/2009 8:03:29 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

“He honestly believed that SCOTUS would shoot it down, apparently not realizing they do not give a damn about the Constitution! “

All three branches of government are tasked with protecting the Constitution. Bush took an oath. I guess political expediency was more important to him.

“I agree with ohioWfan: “PATHETIC LITTLE PEOPLE”

It matters not a damn that a veto might have been overridden. He signed it. He broke his oath. Conservatives aren’t the “PATHETIC LITTLE PEOPLE” here. That’s reserved for the useful idiots of the Left who defend liberals based on a letter behind their names.


265 posted on 09/05/2009 8:06:26 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Flag_This
I guess you would pursue this course only if you plan on never being out of office yourself.

It is beginning to look more like Nazi Germany for the USSA every day.

They can't possibly think they will get away with this UNLESS they plan to NEVER let power go, either by massive and internally perpetrated vote fraud.....

..... OR ......

.....suspend the Constitution and declare martial law because of some fake national emergency that never ends.

266 posted on 09/05/2009 8:07:13 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: ohioWfan
I am grateful and happy to have you back!
It is wonderful to see some common sense come back to some of these threads.
267 posted on 09/05/2009 8:10:07 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: SteamShovel

“They can’t possibly think they will get away with this UNLESS they plan to NEVER let power go, either by massive and internally perpetrated vote fraud.....

..... OR ......

.....suspend the Constitution and declare martial law because of some fake national emergency that never ends.”

Both.


268 posted on 09/05/2009 8:15:16 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
He was an LBJ or an FDR, not a Reagan.

President Bush did not come close to being an LBJ or FDR. Get real for once.
You are right, he was no Reagan!
President Bush did not give amnesty to millions of illegal alien invaders, he did not steal more of my hard earned wages at the point of a gun by raising my socialist security taxes and a few other taxes, he did not sic his transportation department on my personal freedoms and the rights of private business.

Finally, the noobie troll got something right.

269 posted on 09/05/2009 8:15:54 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Favor Center
He was an LBJ or an FDR, not a Reagan.

President Bush did not come close to being an LBJ or FDR. Get real for once.
You are right, he was no Reagan!
President Bush did not give amnesty to millions of illegal alien invaders, he did not steal more of my hard earned wages at the point of a gun by raising my socialist security taxes and a few other taxes, he did not sic his transportation department on my personal freedoms and the rights of private business.

Finally, the noobie troll got something right.

270 posted on 09/05/2009 8:15:54 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: eleni121
Tell you what, eleni.........when you decide that Marxist thugs are more dangerous than George W. Bush, you get back to me, OK??

As long as you find Bush more a problem than communists and criminals, your emotions are all out of whack.

Nothing I've said isn't a FACT. Stop letting your feelings get in the way of your thinking process.

Now excuse me as I continue to actively oppose the threat to our precious Republic that now resides in DC.

You do whatever you want. I have my priorities straight.

271 posted on 09/05/2009 8:19:28 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Just A Nobody

“President Bush did not give amnesty to millions of illegal alien invaders, he did not steal more of my hard earned wages at the point of a gun by raising my socialist security taxes and a few other taxes, he did not sic his transportation department on my personal freedoms and the rights of private business.”

He tried to grant amnesty to tens of millions of illegals WITHOUT the enforcement provisions Reagan agreed to. He DID spend future generations further into the poorhouse.

TARP was signed by whom? NCLB and Medicare-D were signed (and stumped for) by whom?

Personal freedoms include freedom from federal government interference outside legitimate authority. Government expanded a huge amount during the Bush administration.

You don’t do your liberal Republican friend any favors by attacking Reagan for his mistakes.


272 posted on 09/05/2009 8:21:42 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Just A Nobody
BRAVA, Just a Nobody!

(And I didn't notice FC's sign on date. A leftist troll for sure. NO doubt).

273 posted on 09/05/2009 8:21:51 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: OldDeckHand

This crap has to be met with a strong and angry response right here and now.

This attack on defenders of the USA is not just the water the left troddles, it is the strategy of our enemies abroad. Simply allowing the left to hang themselves with their absolute lunacy and hate for the US and waiting for the backlash is a strategy fit for France in WWII. We’ll end up occupied and guess what? WE are the country that saves the World from tryanny! Who ya gonna call when the US is a wet-rag commune?

Look at the chaos that ensued when the USSR lifted the lid. When these enemies within finally trun this last great defender of freedom that is the USA into another Eurosocialist taxanimal farm, chaos around the world will bubble up beyond belief - and the left will all be taking police action as the slaughter and chaos reigns.

Of course, the elites of CNN, Pelosi, Ayers, Obama will all sit in their comfy chairs eating lobster pontificating.

Enough has been brought out about this group of Newspeople, the Obama administration, and these polits like Pelosi and Kerry (world leftist elites above the fray) to formulate a hard response.


274 posted on 09/05/2009 8:23:09 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Just A Nobody
you Bush Bashers are every bit as responsible for that piece of work as ACORN

Being critical of Bush's domestic policy does not make me a "Bush Basher." Much of what he did domestically was simply indefensible from a conservative perspective.

Perhaps you are not conservative, in which case I can understand your deification of GWB. I don't know.

One thing I know for sure is, you certainly did not read my entire post carefully. I gave kudos to GWB for his excellent WoT policy. Yeah, some Bush Basher I am.

275 posted on 09/05/2009 8:23:25 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: ohioWfan

“(And I didn’t notice FC’s sign on date. A leftist troll for sure. NO doubt).”

I’m not the one defending liberals here. Conservatives oppose liberals regardless of party.


276 posted on 09/05/2009 8:24:08 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Just A Nobody
President Bush did not give amnesty to millions of illegal alien invaders

My goodness! Just where in the world were you in June 2007? The moon?

If you remember correctly, it was certainly not for lack of trying that GWB didn't grant amnesty. He was pushing it harder than anybody.

I am dumbfounded that you believe he was against amnesty for illegals. Simply dumbfounded....

277 posted on 09/05/2009 8:35:58 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: Favor Center
One last post to the newbie troll...

Your comment about President Bush's not being honorable is too stupid to even try to refute.

But let's deal with the sanctity of life and military issues, shall we?

You are clearly not a participant in the pro-life movement nor a member of any pro-life organization (leftists never are), but if you were you would understand that the fact that abortion is still legal is irrelevant to your argument. But it's a good disguise for a leftie, I suppose. President Bush was consistently and unabashedly pro-life and respected as such by every truly pro-life person in the country.

As for that "nation building" and "lie" swill, your disrespect for our mission in Iraq, General Petraeus, and our military is astounding. Your ignorance about what needed to be done in Iraq to keep us safe from the terrorist threat and to create a stable country in the center of the ME and not a breeding ground for terrorists is truly frightening.

I am quite cognizant of the across the board conservative judges and justices he appointed. I am cognizant of the FACT that he never raised taxes, and supported small businesses, I am cognizant of the FACT that the military supported him to the point of adoration (and miss him as CinC), and I am cognizant of the FACT that he loved America and stood up for us against the UN, Kyoto, the World Court and socialism and terrorism world wide.

Yes, I admire the PERSON. He is a man of integrity, he is a brother in Christ, he is a patriot and he is a good, GOOD man, but I also see objectively what he accomplished for this country.

Feel free to continue on your path of blindness. I prefer to keep my eyes open.

278 posted on 09/05/2009 8:37:03 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Favor Center
I have defended the integrity of an honorable man.

Just because you sign on to FR and bash Bush doesn't mean you have an ounce of conservatism in you.

I'm an across the board conservative. You, on the other hand, are just a Bush bashing newbie.

279 posted on 09/05/2009 8:41:03 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

The only pro-life organization to which I am an actual member is the Southern Baptist Church.

“As for that “nation building” and “lie” swill, your disrespect for our mission in Iraq, General Petraeus, and our military is astounding. Your ignorance about what needed to be done in Iraq to keep us safe from the terrorist threat and to create a stable country in the center of the ME and not a breeding ground for terrorists is truly frightening.”

To create a stable country in the Middle East, you first have to remove Islam. As we didn’t do that, Iraq’s future remains to be seen. Islam itself is the breeding ground for terrorists. That you can’t see that, is sad. Another product of the public education system, I wager.

The “Surge”, by the way, was not some grand strategy. It was a final admission that we needed more troops on the ground and a general allowed to fight.

“I am cognizant of the FACT that he never raised taxes, and supported small businesses, I am cognizant of the FACT that”

He didn’t raise taxes, but he also didn’t cut spending- and those tax cuts had a time limit.

“the military supported him to the point of adoration (and miss him as CinC), and I am cognizant of the FACT that he loved America and stood up for us against the UN, Kyoto, the World Court and socialism and terrorism world wide.”

Did he or did he not want us to sign on to UNCLOS? Did he support Kosovo and the KLA? Did he provide funding for al Fatah? Did or did he not stop JAG from putting men in prison for fighting a war? Did he or did he not leave us wide open at home?

“Yes, I admire the PERSON. He is a man of integrity, he is a brother in Christ, he is a patriot and he is a good, GOOD man, but I also see objectively what he accomplished for this country.”

You know him personally, then? I just see the debt he added, the terrorists he funded, the illegal aliens everywhere, and the FACT we know have a wanna-be DICTATOR in power because the GOP was too damnably weak and self-serving to stop him! Matthew 7:16: “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?” I know Bush to be a liberal Republican from the Snowe wing of the party.


280 posted on 09/05/2009 8:49:31 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
"If there are legit historians in the future, that statement of his will be remembered."

Legitimate historians will find that there were anti-capitalists working behind the scenes in the financial world to harm this nation intentionally. Much like yourself, as best I can tell.

President Bush will go to prison over my dead body, and I know I'm only one in several million who would defend him in a hearbeat.
281 posted on 09/05/2009 8:50:03 AM PDT by freedom_is_earned
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To: ohioWfan

“I’m an across the board conservative.”

You probably believe you are. John McCain probably thinks he is too.


282 posted on 09/05/2009 8:50:29 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: kevao

“I am dumbfounded that you believe he was against amnesty for illegals. Simply dumbfounded....”

They seem to choose not to see that domestically, Bush was on Teddy Kennedy’s side more often than not. Or they just don’t care.


283 posted on 09/05/2009 8:51:45 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: OldDeckHand

This all boils down to illustrating how much of a flaming liar Obama is. He’s better than Joe Stalin at keeping a straight face while doing it too.


284 posted on 09/05/2009 8:55:07 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Question Marxist Authority)
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To: Favor Center
Was he pro-life? Hard to tell. He said he was. His wife wasn’t.

You have shown your ignorance with this clip. If you cannot tell President Bush was the most pro-life President we have ever had, you are not worth the time I'm wasting right now. He did every thing within his "executive" power to protect the sanctity of life. The rest was up to CONgre$$.
Take a peek at what executive orders the current usurper issued his first days in office.
Laura wasn't the President. I keep hearing she wasn't, but have never seen facts to back it up, so I'll ignore it.

Pro-military? Worn-out equipment from overuse and no money to replace it and back-to-back deployments because he wouldn’t fight the war, but became Wilsonian on DEMOCRACY! Maybe, maybe not.

Again with the ignorance on parade. Do you know any of our military members? Have you ever spoke to any of them? Do you know what shape our military was in when President Bush entered the White House? Do you remember what happened 7.5 months after he took office?
In the words of another great man;
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had."

Moral? He violated his oath of office.

Really?
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

HOW did he violate his oath of office?

Man of integrity? Maybe. Maybe not. I only have his policies with which to judge him.

You are not worthy to judge him.

Not sure he was honest with us when he ran on SS reform and then decided to spend his political capital on amnesty.

I see you were absent again. President George W. Bush DID NOT GRANT AMNESTY!
He worked hard and spent a lot of time on reforming socialist security. You may recall the "60 cities in 60 days" campaign to garner support. Soros, AARP, the demonRATS and many of the so-called republicans spent vast sums of money to fight him on this matter.
Here is a cute little pic of the demonRATS in 2005 as a refresher for that feeble mind --

RATS w/ FDR statue


With you, I believe Matthew 7:15 is more appropriate.

285 posted on 09/05/2009 8:55:44 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: freedom_is_earned

“Legitimate historians will find that there were anti-capitalists working behind the scenes in the financial world to harm this nation intentionally. Much like yourself, as best I can tell.”

I’m not in the “financial world”. I have an honest job. Bush had to save the economy by helping nationalize it, right? Uh huh.

“President Bush will go to prison over my dead body, and I know I’m only one in several million who would defend him in a hearbeat.”

He’s not going to prison. This is a distraction so they can pass the health takeover and nationalize the rest of the economy.


286 posted on 09/05/2009 8:56:46 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: reefdiver

“There is already a war, RINO Moderates are just too slow to understand it”

Fixed it.


287 posted on 09/05/2009 8:56:48 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Question Marxist Authority)
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To: OldDeckHand

OK CIA...do you finally get it? Time for some info dump.


288 posted on 09/05/2009 9:00:57 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Favor Center
See you in DC on the 12th, FC?

(Do you even know it's happening, or are you too busy hating George W. Bush to know what's happening in this country?)

My (provable) conservative record....

Steering committee for Ken Blackwell and donor (look him up, newbie)
Campaign for Jim Jordan, conservative Congressman (look his record up, newbie)
Pro-life activist and contributor
Tea party activist and participant (on the stage, newbie)
Opposed socialized medicine before you were born
Opposed UN before you were born
Life long conservative.
Letter writing activist, bombarding newspapers and Congressmen with conservative principles.
Patriot and mother of a bronze star winner.

Your "conservatism" consists of bashing an honorable man. You lose.

Good bye.

289 posted on 09/05/2009 9:08:03 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Just A Nobody

“Again with the ignorance on parade. Do you know any of our military members? Have you ever spoke to any of them? Do you know what shape our military was in when President Bush entered the White House? Do you remember what happened 7.5 months after he took office?”

I work for the .mil, so I probably know a bit more than you do on the subject. Money that should have been used to refurbish worn equipment (base housing could use some money) and continue procurement instead went to nation-building overseas and other giveaways to foreigners. Like his making-up-to-Bono “charity” to Africa.

“HOW did he violate his oath of office? “

He signed CFR. He refused to defend our borders.

Either he violated his oath, or these things were beyond his ability to even try. EVERY new domestic program he pushed through or agreed to was unconstitutional! IT ALL IS! We have gone from the Contract With America vowing to rid of of the Department of Education to a “Republican” doubling it!

“I see you were absent again. President George W. Bush DID NOT GRANT AMNESTY! “

Did you sleep through that two year process where he tried to push it through? Did you not hear his press secretary say they now had a Congress they could work with on “reform” in 2006? Apparently, you did.

“You are not worthy to judge him.”

By his secular actions? Sure I am. I am an American Citizen. For at least a little bit longer, I am a free man and will continue to judge politicians by their ACTIONS, their agendas, and their deeds. I judge him to be a liberal.


290 posted on 09/05/2009 9:08:25 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: ohioWfan

“See you in DC on the 12th, FC? “

Sorry, I’m busy that weekend.

Your resume is amusing, but it doesn’t make you politically a conservative. It means, perhaps, you have a lot of free time that us working stiffs lack. Either that, or you can’t detach yourself from your adoration for a liberal Republican for a moment to see who, exactly, you are defending.

I’ve certainly seen no “conservatism” on display from you in this thread.

“Your “conservatism” consists of bashing an honorable man. You lose.”

If I’m “bashing”, I’m bashing liberals. Only liberals.


291 posted on 09/05/2009 9:14:02 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: ohioWfan
If you observed President Bush one single day, you would have seen the fruit of his redemption in Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior.

Jimmy Carter was a born-again Christian too. Was he also incapable of doing any wrong in your eyes because of it? What is it with people today?

GWB worship -- if you criticize Bush you are a Bush-Hater and unAmerican.

Obama worship -- if you criticize Obama you are an Obama-Hater, a racist, and unAmerican....

Why can't all you Nancy Pelosi wannabes allow someone to be critical of a president, any president, without calling us "haters"?

292 posted on 09/05/2009 9:14:48 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: Favor Center
I was not especially clear, let's focus on this part:

"to harm this nation intentionally. Much like yourself, as best I can tell.”

And the threat to his freedom is certainly a distraction, I agree, the trouble is some of us are having trouble remembering that President Obama is behaving like the enemy frequently.

President Bush never did.

So, which side are you on?

Or will you continue to employ the Alinsky method and pretend that President Bush was our enemy?

You can choose one or the other and still think President Bush was imperfect, a common trait in every person I've ever met.
293 posted on 09/05/2009 9:16:56 AM PDT by freedom_is_earned (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! -- OZ)
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To: kevao

“Why can’t all you Nancy Pelosi wannabes allow someone to be critical of a president, any president, without calling us “haters”?”

Because CONSERVATIVE dissent (echoing your tagline) isn’t patriotic in their eyes, I guess. It’s all about the Party.


294 posted on 09/05/2009 9:17:22 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: antisocial; Favor Center
He also said we had to give up capitalism in order to save it.

What President Bush said was:
“I abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."

Slowly but surely the pieces of the puzzle are coming out.
I'm sure it will mean nothing to either of you, but for the edification of others, here are some facts.

Secret "closed door" meeting with Congress (3/14/08)

Fed’s $85 Billion Loan Rescues Insurer
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS, MICHAEL J. de la MERCED and MARY WILLIAMS WALSH
Published: September 16, 2008

Although the truth about the meeting discussed in the article above did not come out until this past February when Kanjorski spilled the beans on C-spam

Kanjorski and the 550bil
Live Leak? | 3-2-2009 | Sequoyah101

Rep. Kanjorski: $550 Billion Disappeared in "Electronic Run On the Banks"

295 posted on 09/05/2009 9:19:01 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Favor Center; ohioWfan
You actually followed him around for a whole day?

LOL! Actually, you could say a good number of us followed him around, EVERYDAY, for the entirety of his Presidency. But, being a newbie, you would not know that. ;*)

296 posted on 09/05/2009 9:21:10 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: freedom_is_earned

“And the threat to his freedom is certainly a distraction, I agree, the trouble is some of us are having trouble remembering that President Obama is behaving like the enemy frequently.”

Of course he is. How does that excuse the liberal actions of previous Administrations? If the GOP is to be the vehicle to restore the Republic, first it has to be honest about the liberal trajectory it has been on and ALTER IT. That can’t happen if criticism of liberal Republicans is met with “HATER!” and “BASHER!”.

“President Bush never did. “

Bush supported liberal policies. So, yes, he did.

“Or will you continue to employ the Alinsky method and pretend that President Bush was our enemy?”

Liberals are the enemy, freedom_is_earned. They may not be YOUR enemy, but they are the enemy of every conservative. The enemy in front - Obama and every Democrat Senator plus most Democrat - or the enemy at our back - McCain, Snowe, Mark Kirk and the like (Bush is out of office, but we need to make sure his brand of “compassionate conservatism” never returns) - enemies all the same.

This isn’t a “Republican Good/Democrat Bad” issue. It’s “Conservative Good/Liberal Bad” issue.


297 posted on 09/05/2009 9:23:35 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Just A Nobody

“LOL! Actually, you could say a good number of us followed him around, EVERYDAY, for the entirety of his Presidency. But, being a newbie, you would not know that. ;*)”

So, you are Secret Service?

Or did you just follow the output of the PR office?


298 posted on 09/05/2009 9:24:44 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

Shaking head; great reminder never to feed the beast. I see precisely ZERO facts in your argument. But the strawman certainly has its place, it allows the rest of us to sharpen our logic. Carry on . . . :)


299 posted on 09/05/2009 9:29:04 AM PDT by freedom_is_earned (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! -- OZ)
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To: Favor Center
LOL! You're a desperate little newbie, aren't you? But amusingly and consistenly ignorant.

Oh yeah......two more things to add to my list (I notice you can't name anything you've done for conservatism)......

The only reason I made any calls for John McCain was that he picked Sarah Palin as his running mate
My husband has met with our Congressman to discuss the conservative opposition to Obamacare.

SHAME on you for "being busy" instead of standing up for your country against Marxism. No surprise, but shameful, nonetheless.

300 posted on 09/05/2009 9:29:09 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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