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Could George W. Bush end up behind bars?
CNN.com ^ | 09/04/09 | Staff

Posted on 09/04/2009 3:02:28 PM PDT by OldDeckHand

(CNN) -- Could George W. Bush or some of his top aides end up behind bars?

It's extremely unlikely, but the Obama administration is taking its first steps along a path that could lead in that direction, with the investigation of Central Intelligence Agency interrogators involved in the war on terror.

"You don't know where these things are going to end up," former CIA agent Peter Brookes told me. "They could go to very high levels in the government."

The probe will focus on whether interrogators exceeded their instructions and broke the law when, for example, they choked a prisoner until he lost consciousness or threatened another one with a gun and a power drill.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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To: Favor Center

Sounds like some people around here have taken an oath to be servants of GWB, in the same way Demi Moore did to Obama in that kooky Ashton Kutcher video.

My loyalty is first to God, then to the U.S. Constitution.

I worship no man.


301 posted on 09/05/2009 9:29:31 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: OldDeckHand
The American Civil Liberties Union, an activist organization that campaigns against prisoner abuse, says “any investigation that truly follows the facts where they lead would inevitably lead to prosecutions of high government officials,”
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I sincerely hope that the CIA will turn up the evidence needed ( and get it to those who could best utilize it) to have Obama evicted from the White House and sent to prison.

Personally, I would not want the CIA mad at me.

302 posted on 09/05/2009 9:29:56 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: kevao
George W. Bush and I worship the same God, through Jesus Christ.

When defending a man's integrity is degraded as being worship, the degrader needs to wake up to his own delusions.

btw, Jimmy Carter was an anti-American, leftist radical who nearly destroyed this country. What a stupid comment from a thoughtless person.

303 posted on 09/05/2009 9:32:20 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Just A Nobody

yes... she should and the people in Ohio need to stand up and get rid of her.


304 posted on 09/05/2009 9:33:18 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Just A Nobody

p.s... I’m not so certain the SoS of MN shouldn’t be there with her.


305 posted on 09/05/2009 9:33:47 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: kevao
Nor do I.

Stop the false accusations based on ignorance and blindness. You're making yourself look like a fool.

306 posted on 09/05/2009 9:33:56 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
We're trying, Carolyn. We're trying.

The mood has changed significantly in Ohio since the election. A lot of people are waking up to the stupidity of voting for Obama, and recaliming their conservatism.

307 posted on 09/05/2009 9:35:20 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: kevao

“My loyalty is first to God, then to the U.S. Constitution.

I worship no man.”

Nor should you. No mortal man is worthy of such adoration. That kind of “politics” leads to tyranny.


308 posted on 09/05/2009 9:39:32 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: ohioWfan
What a stupid comment from a thoughtless person.

LOL!!! I criticize some of GWB's policies, and not the man himself. You then come back at me with personal insults. And I'm the hater?

I don't know what God you serve, but it certainly cannot be Jesus Christ; for He would never call me, or anyone else, a stupid, thoughtless person.

309 posted on 09/05/2009 9:41:20 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: kevao
It was a stupid comment to make a parallel between the "Christianity" of Jimmy Carter and the faith of George W. Bush.

You clearly put no thought into that when you grossly insulted me.

Now do not attack my faith in Jesus Christ again, and we can let this go.

310 posted on 09/05/2009 9:49:19 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Favor Center
He tried ...
Trying only counts in horseshoes. FACT: He didn't!

provisions Reagan agreed to
And failed to provide said provisions.

TARP was signed by whom?
See post #295

For CFR, see my post #263

NCLB roll call vote

Medicare-D
If medicare cannot be done away with altogether, which it can't, then I'm all for paying $50.00 a month for heart meds or insulin as opposed to paying $50,000 to 300,000 for a foot amputation or open heart surgery.

Personal freedoms include freedom from federal government interference outside legitimate authority.

We finally agree on something! Do some research into Reagan's Transportation Department and get back to me.

You don’t do your liberal Republican friend any favors by attacking Reagan for his mistakes.

And you don't do anyone any favors by attacking President Bush for his "mistakes". I find it hypocritical that Reagan made "mistakes" but President Bush "broke his oath of office"

311 posted on 09/05/2009 9:56:30 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: kevao
Jimmy Carter was a born-again Christian too. Was he also incapable of doing any wrong in your eyes because of it? What is it with people today?

GWB worship -- if you criticize Bush you are a Bush-Hater and unAmerican.

Obama worship -- if you criticize Obama you are an Obama-Hater, a racist, and unAmerican....

Why can't all you Nancy Pelosi wannabes allow someone to be critical of a president, any president, without calling us "haters"?

Reminder that this is what you said to me when I simply defended the authenticity of the Christianity of George W. Bush.

You called me a "Nancy Pelosi wannabe," an idol worshipper, a hypocrite and fundamentally a stupid person who probably fell for Jimmy Carter's lies.

And you are now whining about my "insults" and denigrating my faith again.

Please note that these are facts about you as a thoughtless person. (That's the kindest word I can come up with to describe your despicable and downright nasty personal insults here).

312 posted on 09/05/2009 9:56:52 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Just A Nobody

“Trying only counts in horseshoes. FACT: He didn’t!”

Wow. So, the push for HillaryCare can’t be held against Clinton, because it failed, right? Same - WRONG - argument.

“And failed to provide said provisions.”

That was Congress, George HW Bush, Bill Clinton, and GWB.

“If medicare cannot be done away with altogether, which it can’t, then I’m all for paying $50.00 a month for heart meds or insulin as opposed to paying $50,000 to 300,000 for a foot amputation or open heart surgery.”

So, socialism is good if it benefits YOU. I see.

“We finally agree on something! Do some research into Reagan’s Transportation Department and get back to me.”

DHS ring a bell?

” And you don’t do anyone any favors by attacking President Bush for his “mistakes”. I find it hypocritical that Reagan made “mistakes” but President Bush “broke his oath of office””

Did Reagan sign anything he had previously stated he KNEW to be unconstitutional?


313 posted on 09/05/2009 10:00:44 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
He broke his oath

See post #285 for said oath.

314 posted on 09/05/2009 10:01:21 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: ohioWfan

Thanks. What I don’t understand is why the trolls are permitted to stay so long here.


315 posted on 09/05/2009 10:04:09 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

“See post #285 for said oath.”

I know the Presidential Oath. Either he broke it or was not capable of executing it. Which is it?


316 posted on 09/05/2009 10:04:23 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: ohioWfan
when you grossly insulted me.

LOL. As if your posts are models of virtue. Do you ever bother to read some of the things you say?

Someone says, "GWB's attempt to pass amnesty for illegals was wrong." Normally, someone would reply, "You are wrong. GWB's attempt at amnesty was good for the country because...." But not you! You simply say, "You are a hateful, stupid fool."

Someone says, "GWB's Prescription Drug Entitlement was wrong." What does ohioWfan say? "Actually, the drug entitlement was good for the country because...." No, ohioWfans' reply is, "What a hateful, stupid fool you are!"

I have yet to see you explain specifically why any of the GWB policies some people object to around here were good for the country. You simply call people haters and fools, and move on.

317 posted on 09/05/2009 10:08:58 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: kevao
Another tactic of the commies...take the debate to the other side of the field.

I say Bush Bashers are as responsible for putting the commie in the WH as ACORN and I suddenly deify President Bush and am not a conservative?!?!

Oh, and I did read your entire post. You support the WOT, just not the one conducting it. Much like the commies I faced off on the streets of DC weekly for 4 years that support the troops, but don't support what they do.
Do you support fire fighters, too? Or only as long as they do not distinguish any fires?

318 posted on 09/05/2009 10:14:48 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: kevao
So let me ask you - what kind of a god do you worship that allows you to blatantly lie like this?

What kind of person are you that is incapable of taking responsibility for his own words?

Every word both of us has said is here in black and white. It is obvious that you are a bald faced liar from this post. It's obvious that you have distorted and deceived by your words in this post, and those upthread.

And I'm not going to waste my time defending myself against such obvious lies and distortions. You have indicted yourself. There's no need for me to say another word.

319 posted on 09/05/2009 10:17:24 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: kevao
I am dumbfounded that you believe he was against amnesty for illegals.

When did I say such a thing? You may need to work on your reading comprehension. I said: President Bush did not give amnesty to millions of illegal alien invaders

and he didn't. The rest is just argumentative.

320 posted on 09/05/2009 10:17:49 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: OldDeckHand

Don’t you just love double-standards.


321 posted on 09/05/2009 10:17:58 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("Need has never produced anything. It has only been an excuse to steal from those with ablity.")
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To: ohioWfan

Bumping an outstanding post!


322 posted on 09/05/2009 10:21:20 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Favor Center
It's neither, President Bush upheld the Constitution to the best of his ability, which was part of working with a Congress which was NOT fillibuster proof.

Now, how is it that President Obama is justified in allowing Eric Holder to continue his reckless behavior of tying the hands of our CIA? Is this part of his oath in defending this nation to the best of his ability?
323 posted on 09/05/2009 10:23:53 AM PDT by freedom_is_earned (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! -- OZ)
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To: Just A Nobody
You support the WOT, just not the one conducting it.

I still fail to see why my disagreeing with maybe 30-40% of Bush's policies makes me a Bush Basher and a Bush Hater. You mean to tell me you agreed completely, totally, 100% with *everything* GWB did?

If not, then at one point does one become a Bush Hater? Disagreeing with one of his policies? Two of his policies? Three?

This hate stuff is simply ridiculous. I actually really like GWB personally, and wouldn't mind having a beer with him (he could hava an O'Doulls). But seriously, I don't agree with my wife on everything either. Does that make me a wife-hater, too?

324 posted on 09/05/2009 10:24:15 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Thanks! Good to know.


325 posted on 09/05/2009 10:24:50 AM PDT by top 2 toe red (O-B-A-M-A = One Big Ass Mistake, America.)
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To: freedom_is_earned

“It’s neither, President Bush upheld the Constitution to the best of his ability, which was part of working with a Congress which was NOT fillibuster proof.”

So, ignoring the border and signing illegal bills was the best of his ability?

“Now, how is it that President Obama is justified in allowing Eric Holder to continue his reckless behavior of tying the hands of our CIA? Is this part of his oath in defending this nation to the best of his ability?”

I presume Bush intended to uphold his oath when he took it. I presume no such thing with Obama. Perhaps I shouldn’t have assumed more from Bush.


326 posted on 09/05/2009 10:27:05 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Just A Nobody
I said: President Bush did not give amnesty to millions of illegal alien invaders

Are you engaging in some kind of revisionism? Your implication was that Bush was opposed to amnesty. Fact is, Bush did not give amnesty to illegals because he FAILED in his attempt to give amnesty to illegals.

Do you really not remember how hard he pushed for the Amnesty Bill in June 2007?

Come on, if, God willing, we defeat this ObamaCare, how ridiculous would it be to say four years from now, "Well, Obama wasn't so bad; he didn't give us socialized medicine."?

327 posted on 09/05/2009 10:32:30 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: Just A Nobody
:)
328 posted on 09/05/2009 10:32:46 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Favor Center
I'm about finished playing with the trolls.
Just a couple things...

I work for the .mil, so I probably know a bit more than you do on the subject.

Scary and not necessarily.

Money that should have been used to refurbish worn equipment (base housing could use some money)

Do you have any idea who appropriates the money?

“HOW did he violate his oath of office? “
He signed CFR. He refused to defend our borders.

CFR was going to pass regardless.

John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmah Carter, Ronald Reagan, GHW Bush and Billy K'Toon refused to defend our borders. Therefore, every president since Eisenhower violated their oath of office.

Just for the record -- President Bush did more to secure the border than any President since Ike. Do some homework.

329 posted on 09/05/2009 10:35:35 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody
You support the WOT, just not the one conducting it.

By the way, the WoT is still on. How supportive are you of President Obama?

330 posted on 09/05/2009 10:35:58 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: freedom_is_earned
You can choose one or the other and still think President Bush was imperfect, a common trait in every person I've ever met.

It is amazing how so many demand President Bush be perfect, or should have been perfect, while allowing excuses for everyone else on the planet.

331 posted on 09/05/2009 10:39:36 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Favor Center
Sorry, I’m busy that weekend.

Of course you are! I'm shocked I tell ya...just shocked!

332 posted on 09/05/2009 10:41:00 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody
It's interesting how these people, just like leftists, move the goal posts, change the argument, evade answering the question and turn their own biases into meritless personal accusations devoid of factual content.

I think we both should leave these trolls alone.

This thread is about how the Obama administration is egregiously violating every Constitutional principle this country was founded upon and turning it into a Banana Republic, and these guys are hijacking it to attack President Bush.

Their mission is obvious. Bush is more of an enemy to them than Obama is, and we, who support the integrity of President Bush are in their crosshairs.

Their words indict them. I've made my point. I've been honest. Time for me to leave now. Good fighting the good fight with you, friend!

333 posted on 09/05/2009 10:42:19 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Just A Nobody

“Of course you are! I’m shocked I tell ya...just shocked!”

You don’t work?


334 posted on 09/05/2009 10:42:23 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center

LOL! I’m done with you!


335 posted on 09/05/2009 10:43:23 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

“Scary and not necessarily.”

Good bet, actually.

“Do you have any idea who appropriates the money?”

Congress. Do you know who makes spending requests? The President.

“CFR was going to pass regardless.”

So? That doesn’t matter a damn. He signed it.

“Just for the record — President Bush did more to secure the border than any President since Ike. Do some homework.”

False. Take off the blinders.


336 posted on 09/05/2009 10:44:52 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
the people in Ohio need to stand up and get rid of her.

We're working on it!

337 posted on 09/05/2009 10:45:21 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You're assuming there will be elections in 2010: I'm not so sure of that anymore.

I'm pretty sure there will be elections in 2010.

With this twist:

Precincts will be divided up into the following three categories:

1. Can be relied on to vote "correctly".
2. The vote will be "close".
3. Can be relied on to vote "wrong".

Polls in precinct-categories 1. and possibly 3. will be left alone.

Polls in precinct-category 2. will be heavily monitored by ACORN/New Black Panther members to ensure only "competent" voters cast ballots. If they have enough people, they will also "monitor" the "3." precincts.

338 posted on 09/05/2009 10:45:39 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Just A Nobody

“LOL! I’m done with you!”

I’m not surprised. Facts are stubborn things, after all, and you have no desire to hear them.

Bush’s domestic agenda was LIBERAL. That is a FACT.


339 posted on 09/05/2009 10:45:53 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
Lots of people who work are going to be there because they CHOOSE to be there to defend the country.

There are probably rallies near you that Saturday, and you will probably CHOOSE not to defend conservative principles. Too easy to sit home at your computer and attack conservative activists and do nothing to work for the cause..... sorta like you're doing today.........right?

(btw, if you should ever list a single thing you've ever done to promote conservative politicians or principles DO give me a ping. LOL!)

340 posted on 09/05/2009 10:46:05 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
Every word both of us has said is here in black and white.

Others can decide. I am quite happy to let my posts speak for themselves.

341 posted on 09/05/2009 10:46:47 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: ohioWfan
I am truly amazed at the number of folks who are becoming actively involved up here in my neck of the woods. We are on the march!
342 posted on 09/05/2009 10:47:06 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: ohioWfan

“Lots of people who work are going to be there because they CHOOSE to be there to defend the country.”

Marching on the Mall with the Press against you won’t accomplish much of anything. I will probably go to the local protest, but there’s nothing to be won in DC anymore.

“There are probably rallies near you that Saturday, and you will probably CHOOSE not to defend conservative principles. Too easy to sit home at your computer and attack conservative activists and do nothing to work for the cause..... sorta like you’re doing today.........right?”

That’s just it, lady. You aren’t working for the conservative cause when you defend liberal agendas! You, like Dick Armey, are on the other side when you do that!


343 posted on 09/05/2009 10:50:42 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Favor Center
He didn't ignore the border, you are lying. Here's proof, from the GAO: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09244r.pdf

Which bills have you, now apparently a lawyer, deemed illegal? This should be interesting.

President Bush did uphold his oath, you continue to ignore the phrase 'to the best of his ability'.

This is what saves us from the tyrannical menace you seem familiar w/ to some degree, but unable to actually discern in real life, which is why so many people defend President Bush as a good man, despite the few differences we may have with some policy decisions he made.

Again, distracting us from the actual problem, which is our current president, who displays dictatorial tendencies like no American I've ever witnessed. Are you clued into this at all, or are you still whining over spilled milk?
344 posted on 09/05/2009 10:52:21 AM PDT by freedom_is_earned (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! -- OZ)
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To: freedom_is_earned
President Bush upheld the Constitution to the best of his ability, which was part of working with a Congress which was NOT fillibuster proof.

Thanks! I'm finished with the trolls today.

345 posted on 09/05/2009 10:54:00 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: ohioWfan
when you decide that Marxist thugs are more dangerous than George W. Bush, you get back to me, OK??

I'll tell you this: I would rather deal with a self proclaimed commie like Zero than a closet socialist who never vetoed on spending bill and who allowed the most massive peacetime transfer of wealth from creators to losers in world history to take place. Soros and Stalin would approve.

Take that head out of the sand. I too was deluded at first...but now see the dimness of conservative light emanating from Bush.

346 posted on 09/05/2009 10:54:05 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: freedom_is_earned

“He didn’t ignore the border, you are lying.”

Explain the gutting of interior enforcement when he took over from Clinton. Explain the push by him to give mass amnesty? Explain the MASSIVE influx of illegals since 2000!

I’m not lying and you damn well know it - or you really are blinded by adoration. They drug their feet on that fence and what they are building is NOT what we wanted.

“Which bills have you, now apparently a lawyer, deemed illegal? This should be interesting.”

What do you call NCLB? Medicare expansion? Giving money to Africa? Illegal - all of it.

“President Bush did uphold his oath, you continue to ignore the phrase ‘to the best of his ability’.”

So, he was incapable of stopping himself from pushing big government and signing things. I see.

“Again, distracting us from the actual problem, which is our current president, who displays dictatorial tendencies like no American I’ve ever witnessed. Are you clued into this at all, or are you still whining over spilled milk?”

I can walk and chew gum at the same time, freedom_is_earned. I oppose liberals of both parties.


347 posted on 09/05/2009 10:57:08 AM PDT by Favor Center (Targets up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: ohioWfan
It's interesting how these people...

Interesting? Now there is a word I probably would not have used to describe their actions. LOL! But you know how radical I am. ;*)

I think we both should leave these trolls alone.

Agree! I'm way behind on my "stuff to do" list already today. LOL

Good fighting the good fight with you, friend!

Back at you! See you in DC this time next week?

348 posted on 09/05/2009 11:00:15 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: kevao
By the way, the WoT is still on.

Ummmm, wrong. We now are engaged in Overseas Contingency Operations. Did you not get the memo?

349 posted on 09/05/2009 11:02:28 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Favor Center
Ah yes . . .

"Facts are stubborn things"


And now you're quoting Obama's most recent tool to bring this phrase back into our lexicon, Linda Douglass, the communications director for the White House's Health Reform Office, which wouldn't know a fact if it bit them in the collective bum. Uh huh. Fascinating. Keep at it. You must have one hell of a supply of straw. Keep goats about, do you? Oh, no, wait, must be donkeys.
350 posted on 09/05/2009 11:04:58 AM PDT by freedom_is_earned (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! -- OZ)
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