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'FOX News Reporting: Do You Know What Textbooks Your Children Are Really Reading?'
Fox News ^ | Sept. 4, 2009 | Fox News

Posted on 09/06/2009 6:23:17 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor

Host Tucker Carlson, asked experts, teachers, publishers and parents the same question: "Do you know what is inside your children's textbooks?" From kindergarten through college, we found staggering errors and omissions which may be pushing agendas, hidden and otherwise.

We spoke to the author of "The Language Police," education historian Diane Ravitch, who said textbook publishers censor images or words they deem to be controversial in children’s textbooks. She told us that publishers pander to special interest groups, and assemble bias and sensitivity review committees. These committees decide what words to ban or redefine, and even what images are deemed offensive.

And we examined some college textbooks both in print and in digital forms. We found a glaring mistake in an expensive history book written by Alan Brinkley, Provost at New York’s Columbia University.

And in Fairfax County Virginia, questions remain about what textbooks are used in the private Islamic Saudi Academy. The ISA teaches about 1000 students each year pre-K — 12. Questions have been raised about its textbooks at least since 2006.

This summer, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, ISA’s 1999 valedictorian, was sentenced to life in prison for his role in a 2002 Al Qaeda plot to assassinate President George W. Bush.

The ISA is wholly owned by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and teaches students from textbooks, which according to a report by a Saudi scholar interviewed by FOX News, continues to “propagate an ideology of hate to the unbeliever...

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We tracked down two American college professors who were paid by the ISA to review these textbooks. They signed a letter obtained by FOX News that the ISA's 2008-2009 textbooks' do not contain inflammatory material…” One of them sat down for an interview; the other refused.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crushislam; fairfaxcounty; godsgravesglyphs; indoctorination; indoctrination; isa; islam; school; textbook; tm
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To: SUSSA

I was not making a political statement to send my kids to private school. My decision was based on demographics, both of our area public schools and of the private schools I sent my kids to.

And rest assured that no one where I live, including the publically schooled (and I went to public HS) believs in either government medicine or government housing.


101 posted on 09/06/2009 9:14:49 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: calex59

Most of us have been where you are at right now, not nationally of course, but where we work(ed) and have had our thunder stolen.
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I am thrilled when I see that an idea that I am promoting is picked up by those with a larger and more effective bullhorn.


102 posted on 09/06/2009 9:15:06 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Jefferson would disagree, but found no support among the other founding fathers for government schools.

Franklin didn’t found a government school system. He founded a private college, the University of Pennsylvania.


103 posted on 09/06/2009 9:20:49 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: steven33442

I don’t watch him either but...I happened to see him as I was surfing and watched what I could of it and it was VERY GOOD. I give him credit for that piece.


104 posted on 09/06/2009 9:22:05 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: AzaleaCity5691
And rest assured that no one where I live, including the publically schooled (and I went to public HS) believs in either government medicine or government housing.

Yet the arguments for having all three are the same.

I work with people who live in government housing. Like the people who use government schools they see nothing wrong with it because they grew up in that system. Many of the families I deal with have 4 or 5 generations in government housing. In several units there are 3 generations living in one unit.

Had the people around you grown up in government housing with government medicine, they would see nothing wrong with those socialist programs either.

105 posted on 09/06/2009 9:32:19 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: AzaleaCity5691
And rest assured that no one where I live, including the publically schooled (and I went to public HS) believs in either government medicine or government housing.

I think you would be surprised at how many people around you support those things. I know I was. I live in a conservative area but many more people than I would have ever guessed want socialized medicine.

106 posted on 09/06/2009 9:41:32 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

I saw this and found it appalling. The NEA is ruining this country!


107 posted on 09/06/2009 9:45:04 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: AzaleaCity5691; SUSSA
However, we do need to have public schooling to remain economically competitive

Are you assuming that learning actually happens inside the instiutional-type school? I contend that it doesn't!

Most learning happens in the home through the efforts of the parents and the child himself. These are the people who doing the hard work at the kitchen table, reviewing phonics as they read to the child, making certain math facts are memorized, and creating a home where education is valued.

It is the child himself who thoroughly studies his textbooks, works the problems, answers the questions, writes the essays, and prepares the projects IN THE HOME!

If it were carefully examined, we would learn that institutional schools are merely sending home a curriculum, grading the projects, and administering the tests. The hard work is done at home. The home habits of academically successful children are **identical** to the home habits of academically successful homeschoolers. What the parents and children of academically successful institutionalized children are doing is **"Afterschooling"**!

I support parents who choose private schools so that their children can have socialization with other children and families with values that match their political, cultural, and religious worldview. But...Studies really should be done to determine how much learning happens in the school, and how much is really due to the parents and child himself, at **home**.

If we knew how much learning happened at home or in the institutional school, it would help parents know if they are getting full value for the money spent. Also...If most learning is due to "afterschooling", then it is **insanity** to think the traditional institutional school will be of any value to the disadvantaged child. These children will need private schools similar to KIPP. ( George Will calls them "paternalistic" schools.)

It’s not like a gun is cocked to your head and you’re forced to go or anything.

The gun is cocked at the heads of taxpayers who must pay for these atheistic government schools! And...These schools may not even be teaching anything! These government schools may merely be sending home a curriculum and it is the parents who are doing 99% of the effective "afterschooling"!

The gun is cocked at the heads of parents who can not afford private school or homeschooling. They are literally are under police threat to send their children to the atheistic, socialistic, and Marxist dominated government schools. If you do not believe this please do a Google check on the words: "Truant and Police". ( Real bullets in those guns on the hip!).

Some parents can afford to use private or home schooling. I call it "ransom". Some call it "jizya".

Finally... Government schools are a **price-fixed** monopoly business that is giving a service away tuition **free**! If private CEOs tried to corner a market and drive out competition in this way, they would soon be in prison! In my county there are **no** private schools! Why would there be? Government is creating a terrible business climate for the creation of a private alternative! Then when there are no private schools, the government threatens parents with **armed** police and court action if they refuse to send their child to these government price-fixed monopoly schools!

108 posted on 09/06/2009 9:48:58 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

I have read some of the textbooks used by my children’s school.
1. The only outright error I have caught was that the electoral college was explained incorrectly in the second grade social studies book. However, I know they’ll cover it again when they get older and can grasp the fine points better, so I let it slide.

2. I was worried about the fourth grade social studies program, because that is the year they learn California history, and there is a lot of room for trouble there. However, I noticed that the teacher used the book itself, um, selectively, taking out the parts that were slanted, or fluff. (I’m guessing he’s a bit conservative.) On the other hand, in doing research for her California Mission projects, my daughter got the message that native Americans were all good and wise, and Catholic missionaries and Spanish soldiers were all mean, so I had to do a lot of explaining about seeing people in the context of their own time, with the good, the bad, and the mixed motives. Luckily, I had the time and my daughter had the interest and intelligence to look at it more carefully. But I won’t be surprised if the non-Catholics in the class simply formed an anti-Catholic bias that will stay with them for a long time.


109 posted on 09/06/2009 9:49:51 AM PDT by married21
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To: SUSSA
Have you considered the environmental degradation of government schools?

Suburban sprawl has been fueled by access to tuition-free government schooling. Developers know that once a suburban development is built, tuition-free government schools will soon follow ( with no cost to the developer, of course.)

And...My husband and I like to ski. Countless times we have followed the big yellow prison ( oops! “school”) buses up narrow mountain roads to pick up the children living in multi-multi-million dollar homes on fragile alpine slopes.

110 posted on 09/06/2009 9:58:23 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: LS

They already pay Tucker Carlson...you just been let go during belt tightening....not that they actually paid you anything.


111 posted on 09/06/2009 10:36:36 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to cry.")
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

Great show.


112 posted on 09/06/2009 10:37:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (Bro has stumbled mightily but the media will rebuild him....)
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To: wintertime
The gun is cocked at the heads of taxpayers who must pay for these atheistic government schools! And...These schools may not even be teaching anything! These government schools may merely be sending home a curriculum and it is the parents who are doing 99% of the effective "afterschooling"!

My son just started government school (kindergarten). His teacher is awesome. I know this because I have talked with her at length, I have seen her teaching, and an impressive number of other people have told me what a great teacher she is. I know that she is better than any teacher my son would get in private school (and I know what I am talking about).

The curriculum in the public school kindergarten is actually pretty intense. They learn to read and do math at a level that used to be considered normal for first grade or even higher. I am confident that a great deal of my son's learning this year will be taking place in school and it won't all just be "afterschooling".

Are you assuming that learning actually happens inside the institutional-type school? I contend that it doesn't!

I contend that since you home schooled your kids and they are out of the house now, you actually have had no contact with government or any other schools for a long time and this is just an entirely theoretical discussion for you.

113 posted on 09/06/2009 11:30:37 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

I doubt very many parents read the textbooks, at all.
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I do.


114 posted on 09/06/2009 12:07:29 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: calex59

Sure, but I also think his show could have been better if he’d bother to consult me. I think I found a few things in my research that would have strengthened it.


115 posted on 09/06/2009 12:10:45 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: AzaleaCity5691

>>If you really care about your kids education you will make the sacrifices necessary to put them in Catholic school.<<

Or sacrifice less and Homeschool.
Costs me 150.00 a year to homeschool each child.

Catholic schools in the area are 2500.00 a year.


116 posted on 09/06/2009 12:38:32 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: wideminded

My older daughter had the world’s best Kindergarten teacher. She was and is still amazing. My daughter was able to shine!

So then she got to 1st grade and crashed. The teacher sucked, the kids were nasty and I pulled her out.

Your K teacher is wonderful. I hope they all are for you. If not, consider other options.


117 posted on 09/06/2009 12:41:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

School is about teaching diversity, feel good math and condoms.


118 posted on 09/06/2009 1:54:53 PM PDT by junta (Conservatives, the word "racism" is now ours.)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

I watched it and it was awful. Kids shouldn’t be exposed to all this crap. Homeschool or put your kids in Christian school. Get them out of public school if you can.


119 posted on 09/06/2009 2:51:14 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: steven33442

IMO, he did just fine.


120 posted on 09/06/2009 2:52:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Or in a good Christian school. Both are better than a public school any day.


121 posted on 09/06/2009 2:55:00 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: wintertime

There are tons of places that sell curricula for homeschooling. Often local Christian schools help out homeschoolers. It’s better than sending your kids to public school but you do need to be organized and disciplined.


122 posted on 09/06/2009 3:01:11 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: SUSSA

I agree. Some kids ARE better off learning a trade. My grandson was one of them. School and he did not jive. He went to BOCES to learn auto tech and that wasn’t so hot either. Of course, he had his own set of problems which were rarely addressed.


123 posted on 09/06/2009 3:04:34 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Auntie Toots

I can see a big difference in Greta. I can stand to watch her now. She did a great job with Sarah Palin interviews.


124 posted on 09/06/2009 3:05:59 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: SUSSA

I bet they think it’s free. Wait until they find out the truth. No free lunch here.


125 posted on 09/06/2009 3:10:22 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

book on gay penguins...???

Did you ever wonder why you never see dead penguins on the ice in
Antarctica?
Ever wonder where they go? Wonder no more.
It is a known fact that the penguin is a very ritualistic bird
which lives an extremely ordered and complex life.

The penguins have a very strong community bond.
They are very committed to their family and will mate for life.
They also maintain a form of compassionate contact with their
offspring throughout its life.
If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members of
the family and social circle have been known to dig holes in the
ice, using their vestigial wings and beaks, until the hole is
deep enough for the dead bird to be rolled into and buried.

The male penguins then gather in a circle around the freshly-dug
grave and sing....

“Freeze a jolly good fellow...”


126 posted on 09/06/2009 4:27:45 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Marysecretary

When those kids find their nitch lots of times they love their work. A friend of mine’s son was a terror in school and ended up quitting when the school told his parents he wasn’t welcome back for a 5th year of high school.

Today he refurbishes and repairs stained glass windows. He’ll never get rich but he and his family are happy and his youngest son is learning the trade.

Unlike a lot of 50 year-olds that kid loves going to work every day.


127 posted on 09/06/2009 5:53:34 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: wideminded
I contend that since you home schooled your kids and they are out of the house now,

Wisdom is the reward of many years of experience with my own 4 children,10 grandchildren, and the soon to arrive great grandchild, as well as observation of the growth of children into adulthood from many other families.

The curriculum in the public school kindergarten is actually pretty intense.

Please do a Google on the words: "Finland Starting Age School". You will find many articles that suggest that starting formal studies on very young children is actually detrimental to their later academic success.

I know many homeschooling families that use the rule, "Wait until eight!" While it is OK to introduce children to certain academic materials (in a playful way), if they don't take an interest in it, it is best to wait. These young years are better spent in loosely supervised unstructured **play**. In fact, **play** is a child's most important work, and we should be very careful not to let other activities ( such as institutional schooling) interfere with this important play that is so essential to their mental and physical health and later social adjustment.

They learn to read and do math at a level that used to be considered normal for first grade or even higher.

You seem happy with your government school teacher and your child's adjustment. If he just started kindergarten how many **days** has he been there? My suggestion would be to carefully monitor him over the next 3 or 4 **months**.

Personally, I believe that United States has such a high level of dyslexia due to trying to teach young children academic subjects before they are neurologically and developmentally ready. The frustration can lead to lifelong aversion to reading and permanent dyslexia.

128 posted on 09/06/2009 5:56:15 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Marysecretary

Most of them think they are paying more than enough to cover their kids schooling. When in fact they are being subsidized by others just like the people in the projects.


129 posted on 09/06/2009 5:56:51 PM PDT by SUSSA
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130 posted on 09/06/2009 6:29:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SUSSA

I believe that,too. Not all kids are meant for college. I think sometimes college ruins them politically and often morally as well (all the drinking, easy sex, etc.) Each person has to decide for him/herself what’s best. We parents and grandparents can guide them but they essentially have to begin their own journey.


131 posted on 09/06/2009 6:31:26 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

When I was in 1st grade, in the early 90’s, I distinctly remember reading a picture book in the school library about a group of Native Americans that ambushed an evil, white anglo frontier railroad train and murdered all the people onboard. The book ended with a drawing of dead soldiers slumped on the ground impaled with arrows and spears and the indians dancing around happily wearing the white man’s clothes and holding the dead soldiers’ rifles.

Looking back, I can’t believe some of the sick bullsh*t they tried to indoctrinate us with.


132 posted on 09/06/2009 6:47:38 PM PDT by Karma Police (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!)
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To: Marysecretary

I agree.


133 posted on 09/06/2009 8:50:45 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
Capitalistic is good but there would have to be someone or something to force some no good parents to send their kids to school and pay for it.

That's exactly the thinking that got us here...and anti-Catholic Protestants.

The premise that forcing a good idea on someone is absurd on its face.

134 posted on 09/07/2009 4:10:43 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: wintertime; AzaleaCity5691; SUSSA
Learning is not going on in government schools

Pass the link along to all your mailing lists. Keep smashing at the machine.The next step is vouchers tied to inflation and population growth.

135 posted on 09/07/2009 4:20:16 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: wideminded; wintertime

In our area it has been observed that the longer a child stays in the public school system, the worse his scores. The state has a standardized test for academic progress in the basics, and by 11th grade, the results are about 30 points lower than 2nd grade scores.

It’s nice that your kindergartener’s teacher is awesome, though...


136 posted on 09/07/2009 5:12:38 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: mojitojoe

I also read every textbook in sight before putting it in front of my homeschooler.
By the way, a lot of the material we use isn’t “textbook.” For example, in history, there’s an old collection called Annals of America. Chronologically organized volumes of American writing, so you grasp history as viewed by the people witnessing it at the time.
And one of my favorite educational resources is youtube.com, though we have at home a very extensive collection of educational films. Youtube’s got more! :)
My biggest complaint about recent textbooks is that they are presented as values-neutral, and they’re often merely anti-American; the contrast with older books is remarkable.


137 posted on 09/07/2009 5:31:08 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: 1010RD; All
Things are different now, before, an education was valued by almost everybody. Now, too many don't value knowing how to read or write and too many parents are into themselves and their dope.

Just because a kid has bad parents doesn't mean the kid should miss out on at least learning how to read and write.

We also have the ghetto attitude that is against people getting an education, as if an education were only a white thing. That will have to be countered in a different manner.

138 posted on 09/07/2009 5:42:07 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: Uncle Ike
Already ran into that problem. Ended up locking out Disney, Nickelodeon, and a few others.
Seems like one of the dominant memes on those channels was ‘Smart Kids / Stupid Grown Ups” and the girls were behaving accordingly.
139 posted on 09/07/2009 6:04:57 AM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: 1010RD
The next step is vouchers tied to inflation and population growth.

What About Vouchers?

Why not just provide government vouchers so parents can send their children to school where they want? Wouldn't that solve the funding problem?

Not in the least.

Vouchers are still state financing of schools, which comes with endless meddling, regulations, strings attached — rules about what can be taught, said, displayed, who can be hired, testing requirements, not to mention continued dependence on government for our preparation for life. It wouldn't be long before a private school system turned into another top-heavy, enslaved, mediocre government system. It's the nature of the beast.

Some people like to claim that this pitfall can be avoided — just force the government to agree that people have the right to send their kids where they want, at taxpayer expense, and the government can do nothing but collect and hand out the money. These people would do well to talk to the thousands of colleges that accept government taxpayer-funded vouchers in the form of students grants and loans. Not one has escaped the government's endless rules. The only thing that saves some colleges from total deterioration is that a large portion of their funding still comes from parents and students who expect something for their money. It is amazingly naive to think that grade and high schools would escape what colleges cannot.

Vouchers still involve forcing your neighbors to pay for your children's education. Some people find this acceptable because it relieves them of the burden, others find it a just use of their neighbors' earnings. Whatever your point of view, there are other serious reasons to dismiss the idea and embrace total independence from the state. The surest way to kill independence is to accept money from the government.

Tax-financed vouchers will destroy the very private education that their proponents so much desire. The goose that is laying the golden eggs is the combination of voluntary parental sacrifice and the ability of schools to locate those parents. Converting this 'sacrifice system' to a 'welfare system' with school stamps, a.k.a. vouchers [like food stamps], will kill this goose. If government funding of parental duties weakens parents, would removal of government funding enable them to regain parenting strength? I think so. Parents who increase their sacrifice for their children subsequently work to become better parents.
- Marshall Fritz, founder of The Alliance for the Separation of School & State

http://www.schoolandstate.org/Case/case5.htm

140 posted on 09/07/2009 6:08:38 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: AzaleaCity5691
If you really care about your kids education you will make the sacrifices necessary to put them in Catholic school.

We sent ours to Catholic grade school and thus avoided much of the propaganda of the public schools. And I believe they got a better foundation in the basics -- the building blocks of secondary education -- than they would have gotten in the local public school.

We sent them to public high school -- as Catholic high schools are very expensive -- but by high school most kids are able to think on their own.

141 posted on 09/07/2009 6:09:34 AM PDT by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: wintertime

You wrote: If government is giving its educational services away for free, the conservations must match this price: FREE!

TANSTAAFL - There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch.

Someone’s got to do the plowing.

Nothing the government does is free.

I think you might have meant ‘conservatives’.


142 posted on 09/07/2009 7:02:07 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: SUSSA
You don't need to convince me FRiend.

Can you convince 50% + one of the voters that they can schuck off government schools. How will you overcome it when the day care element is so convenient?

They know their kids are getting a substandard education and one that is morally corrupt. I find a rare parent who defends the system as is, but you won't get there from here without vouchers.

Tie them to inflation plus population growth to limit the cost and set them at 1/3 to 1/2 to cost of government schools. Watch government schools fail worse and save a bunch of kids. That is the way.

The argument you make here works for libertarians and smart conservatives, how do you convince the mushy middle?

143 posted on 09/07/2009 7:03:15 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
The ills you decry are caused by government forcing people to "learn".

Black slaves learned despite all that stood in their way including those things you mentioned with the added aspect of real, pernicious racism.

Drop government/force and you'd still get educated people. They'd really want it though and the rest would know enough to work at a skill.

144 posted on 09/07/2009 7:06:42 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

You will never overcome a public school system that includes before and after school day care, not for single moms and struggling families, but in CA, where public education is often as bad as it gets, even in upper middle class neighborhoods, many former stay at home moms work just to send their kids to private schools. I know one man that served in the Naval Air Reserve for twenty years and used the money to send his five kids to Catholic schools. People are waking up to what is going on, but it is far too slowly. I just wish that I had taken a more active role in the education of my kids. I knew what was happening, but didn’t know what to do about it, except complain.


145 posted on 09/07/2009 7:16:07 AM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: BabsC
The government school tuition price is FREE! I have never said that it cost nothing, therefore, I can not defend a strawman of your creation.

The government is running a business ( using tax dollars) and giving the product away to the parents for the price of FREE. If conservatives are going to compete against the price-fixed-monopoly government schools they **must** meet that cost to the parent. FREE.

They only way I see that it can be done is by very generous donations by the wealthy. Perhaps annuities could be offered. This would allow the middle classes to fund private K-12 schooling, as well. But...I do think it is possible. Harvard has and endowment of 35 Billion. Universities and colleges across the nation have endowments in the billions. I am willing to bet that a lot of that money came from conservatives.

What must be done is to convince conservatives that K-12 education deserves and needs the same funding that college and university endowments receive.

Also...If we are make private conservative education available to all the nation's children we **must** reduce the cost of delivering the education. There are many excellent and low cost curriculum available now. If conservative educational foundations funded the teacher directly, he or she could open small schools for up to 10 children. They could be run in homes and would not require any more regulation or zoning than a home day care. The foundations would certify the teacher, test the students, and certify the curriculum.

Conservatives **must** also break the government monopoly on team sports, government school theater and arts..etc. In my county these side activities create a great deal of “rah-rah” support for the government schools. The foundations could do this by sponsoring sports leagues and larger community theater, dance, and arts programs.

On the university level, conservatives, ( if they are going to donate to universities) should pool their money, again using educational foundations. If the amount of money given is large enough, it can influence who gets hired and fired on the university campuses.

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146 posted on 09/07/2009 7:32:01 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Eddie01; All

I fantasize that if I were a billionaire, I would buy up these old school buildings I see around my area and start america-friendly, private schools. The big expense would be to afford paying salaries/benefits to qualified teachers. Also, finding qualified, willing teachers would be a challenge.


147 posted on 09/07/2009 7:36:25 AM PDT by ync1994
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To: 1010RD
how do you convince the mushy middle?

For far too many people vouchers are the endgame. I'd take vouchers as a step toward eliminating socialist schools. But I'm interested in getting more voucher supporters to understand that a voucher system is still a socialist system.

The socialized medicine debate is a great teaching tool. The arguments in favor of switching from a capitalist system to socialized medicine are the same arguments for keeping socialized schooling.

As more people see this, the number of people who understand that socialized schools have no more place in a free society than socialized medicine does.

Nothing will change over night. But every person who understands that the private sector can take care of education, the closer we are to returning to a capitalist schooling system.

148 posted on 09/07/2009 7:54:25 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: 1010RD
how do you convince the mushy middle?

For far too many people vouchers are the endgame. I'd take vouchers as a step toward eliminating socialist schools. But I'm interested in getting more voucher supporters to understand that a voucher system is still a socialist system.

The socialized medicine debate is a great teaching tool. The arguments in favor of switching from a capitalist system to socialized medicine are the same arguments for keeping socialized schooling.

As more people see this, the number of people who understand that socialized schools have no more place in a free society than socialized medicine does.

Nothing will change over night. But every person who understands that the private sector can take care of education, the closer we are to returning to a capitalist schooling system.

149 posted on 09/07/2009 7:54:25 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Eva
You are right. I think that under the circumstances you need to take an incremental approach. Let the bottom performing schools fall under a voucher system and eventually you'll capture all government schools in the competition net. It will take a generation to do it though.

Morally we are correct, but you'll not pry middle-class entitlements easily out of the hands of those recipients. They are between a rock and a hard place.

Practical conservative politics requires steps to implement goals. The way out is not revolution, but evolution away from socialism. It has to work and it has to make sense to the average American. We'll need their support to succeed.

We don't want to overreach like Obama has. Hubris is an enemy.

150 posted on 09/07/2009 8:12:55 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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