Skip to comments.Buchanan: Is America Coming Apart?
Posted on 09/10/2009 7:26:36 PM PDT by GVnana
Flying home from London, where the subject of formal debate on the 70th anniversary of World War II had been whether Winston Churchill was a liability or asset to the Free World, one arrives in the middle of a far more acrimonious national debate right here in the United States.
At issue: Should Barack Obama be allowed to address tens of millions of American children, inside their classrooms, during school hours?
Conservative talk-show hosts saw a White House scheme to turn public schools into indoctrination centers where the socialist ideology of Obama would be spoon-fed to captive audiences of children forced to listen to Big Brother -- and then do assignments on his sermon.
The liberal commentariat raged about right-wing paranoia.
Yet Byron York of the Washington Examiner dug back to 1991 to discover that, when George H.W. Bush went to Alice Deal Junior High to speak to America's school kids, the left lost it.
"The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," railed the Washington Post. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was called before a House committee. The National Education Association denounced Bush. And Congress ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate.
Obama's actual speech proved about as controversial as a Nancy Reagan appeal to eighth-graders to "Just say no!" to drugs.
Yet, the episode reveals the poisoned character of our politics.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I have been thinking about writing a long thread about the divisions. America is being divided due to the internet and a general lack of manners taught to the last couple generations.
Pat must have been out of the country when the ‘lesson plan’ was distributed. This indicated the original intentions...issues based - health care, global warming, etc.
It’s available through the link at the posted article.
They are trying to rush and push things too far Left, too fast.
People are reacting to that.
Yes, America is coming apart. The Russian professor that talks about the USA splitting into 6? different nation states isn’t too far off, IMO.
Would be the best thing for sane Americans (conservatives actualy - a place were things are normal.
Yep. Sounds about right to me.
Agreed. Ohio splits northeast-southwest. Draw a line from south of Toledo to the Ohio River at Bridgeport. NE goes with PA, SW goes with Kentucky, Tennessee and southern Indiana.
5—you left out “The South”—not to be tossed in with “East Coast”!
Sorry. I meant NW to SE for the line.
You don’t think Buchanan’s 1992 speech at the Republican National Convention was timely?
Patrick Buchanan Culture War Speech
Well thats what happens when a Liar decides to “Spread other peoples Wealth around”
You know I am begining to wonder if Obama will be able to hold the 50 states together before his term is up.... I am begining to have doubts.
America is being divided because Marxists have taken over one of the main political parties (Democrats) and damned fools run the other (Republicans).
Decent traditional Americans are trapped.
If Lou Dodd ran for office - conservative, popualist, pro-American, pro-COnstitutional, or started an opposition party, BOTH of the above would collapse.
Few Americans are Marxists and few Americans tolerate fools.
It started long before the internet:
Lady Margaret Thatcher
HE WASHINGTON TIMES, June 22, 1999
Britain and America are two of the most tolerant societies in history, having demonstrated that tolerance by welcoming refugees and immigrants from all parts of the world and then turning them into British and American citizens by inducting them into the national community. These immigrants learned our language and adopted our history as their own. Such cultural inclusion is, in fact, the only way to achieve a successful multi-ethnic society. . .
The concept of multiculturalism threatens to unravel all that good work. Here is a genuinely utopian enterprise, more utopian indeed than the Tower of Babel. . . . The U.S. is moving toward a system in which the government presides over a number of different social groups, some of which have their own language and type of education. This approach undermines social unity and allows construction of a multicultural society, which is the very opposite of Americas previous practice. The government aims to supervise these different groups and keep the peace by redistributing income from one to another.
Thus the utopia of multiculturalism involves a bureaucratic class presiding over a nation divided into a variety of ethnic nationalities. That, of course, looks awfully like the old Soviet Union. Such a system cannot work, and its failure is likely to inflict great damage on the people, their traditions, and their liberties.
Lady Margaret Thatcher, former British prime minister, writing on Resisting the Utopian Impulse in the spring issue of American Outlook
Look at the Red State/Blue State
color key below the map
We are seeing a large number of people moving to GA from FL and coming down from northern states (what we haven’t determined yet is how they vote). So we are considering what other state we would consider if the lib voters gain control of GA.
It sure is a fascinating "What If" game; forecasting how one's nation is going to go kablooey.
Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota and Wyoming.
What part of California do you live?
“As usual, Pat is late and short.”
Uh, Pat was about 25 years ahead of the curve on virtually all of this, and was called a whacko for projecting all of it back then.
What makes you think he wants to hold the 50 or in his view 57 states together?
My only thought after finishing the column was “We will NOT live under a tyrant!”
Where’s our Margaret Thatcher? We need one.
From the article
...the birth rate falls ,,,
Americans! We know how to solve THAT
Go Pat Go
Alternatively, America is being torn up by an attempt to turn it into Yugoslavia.
One must ask why this topic is a serious question. To that, the most liberal and un-American POTUS in our modern history has gained office and is pushing a radical, socialist agenda that barely half in his own party can stomach.
We live in a center-right country. That has not changed. The wounds will begin to be healed 2010. Regardless of anything that happens, Obaba will have a less friendly Congress after the mid-terms.
We are, as a nation re-disocovering ourselves. As much as I regret Obama’s win, he is doing more to sink and sallow the “Left” in our country than I could ever have dreamed. At this point, Hillary seems like a great option with a 50/50 Congress.
In the end, nothing this Congress or POTUS imposes upon us will hold up. It will be undone by succeding Congresses and Admins. It’s impossible as the public is against it and will make sure to elect people pledging to undo it.
I don’t think it’s going to come so easy, but yes. If you look at the country overall, the voting patterns, it’s going to be a rural v. urban split — not so clean as regional boundaries. Things are going to get ugly.
You already are.
Call me when you;re about to storm the White House. I need time to get the popcorn popping.
Pat has a ton of weird quirks, but when it comes to the culture he is usually spot on. They lambasted him for his 92’ speech, but he was spot on. Again he is seeing what many here and in our social circles have. And that is we are being divided by issues that may break us apart. The question begs, is it unrepairable....
Until you give birth to the next generation. The differences may be so slight that it won't be obvious, but by the time the second and third generations come, they will, until finally, you're right back where you started...At each others throats.
There's more going on here than just culture and nature....
Yes, the Republican Party is truly in the grasps for fools and has been for years. The GOP will be blamed for the collapse of America because of its “can’t we just get along” mantra.”
The question is, does that center-right represent reason or passion. With regard to reason, I think we're center-right, but with regard to passion, I think we're center left...and the politicians know how to tap into both of those to make the needle tilt whichever way they want.
So true. And the invisible GOP leadership is responsible for reigning in Joe Wilson and failing to put forward a full-court press on zer0's lies.
Almost a year ago, I posted that this guy’s theory was laughable. How wrong I was. It seems that we are on a path to divide up the country and as sad as that makes me, I am at the point where I would prefer living in a smaller republic that values freedom and liberty.
Let the libs have their ‘space’ along with the crime, disease, and every freakshow fool that they seem to attract. I don’t want to move out of my beloved South, but if I have to, so be it.
Before the war, week after week after week after week, we were told lie after lie after lie after lie. - Senator Ted Kennedy Senate Floor Remarks October 16, 2003
Where was the outrage then?
WE believe that too and would like to get further away the interstate corridor that carries traffic north out of Atlanta.
Even though we are 60+ miles away, it feels too close when you think of crisis, evac and gov’t giving orders.
Wyoming sounds good!
If you look at how things break down geographically (exclude NC, VA and FL voting Dem last Nov) The Confederacy is still intact after the war ended ~145 years ago. You won't have to move out of your beloved South. Will the South accept some like-minded Yankees?
Between the South and Midwest, there are enough sea/ocean ports, untapped fuel reserves (oil, shale oil, coal) and food producing areas for a new/old American nation to thrive.
One more thing, the new/old American nation needs to secure the Mexican border militarily. That should be the first order of business.
Well...here's when it comes apart....
Federal Gov’mt remittance to the states..of our and our children's tax monies and debt obligation is the largest source of state revenue for all 50 states. When the wheels come off that bus....and you can bet the lug nuts are loose at this point-that’s the end of the line.
My FRiend, you are equating GA,SC,NC,AL,MS,VA with NY,CT,RI,MA,VT. Please don't do that...
GA's bill to be introduced to prevent obamacare from being forced on us could be the first step in some process that breaks this thing wide open.
I have pondered the the âunrepairableâ question for years. I read about all the polls and articles regarding the question I can find. I do think the breach is going to be between citified and country (red and blue if you will). Oversimplification but the mindset is the issue. The citifed have become almost so insulated that they forget that all the food, power and many other things come from the people they despise in the country. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.