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Helen Thomas: "When Governments Lie - Rep. Joe Wilson Has Become Celebrity Martyr For His Rudeness"
TheBostonChannel.com ^ | 16 Sep 09 | Helen "Infobabe" Thomas

Posted on 09/16/2009 5:00:33 PM PDT by seanmerc

WASHINGTON -- Do presidents and other public officials lie? Do birds fly?

That age-old question was recently evoked when Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., shouted "You lie" after President Barack Obama told a joint session of Congress that his national health care proposal would not cover illegal immigrants.

Wilson’s verbal attack was reminiscent of the back benchers in London’s House of Commons where rhetorical bombast is more frequent than in the halls of Congress.

Wilson apologized for his blast but that didn’t stop the House from voting 240-179 to rebuke him for a breach of decorum "to the discredit of the House."

Wilson has become a celebrity martyr to many conservatives for his rudeness to Obama, just as the Iraqi journalist who threw a pair of shoes at President George W. Bush during a Baghdad visit has become a homegrown hero in Iraq.

When it comes to governmental lies, the Bush administration is the 21st century’s trophy holder, at least so far.

Remember those blatant lies rolled out by Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney when they tried to justify an invasion of Iraq? Those lies have resulted in a very heavy human toll -- American and Iraqi-- in the war in Iraq.

Bush said Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq, had weapons of mass destruction and ties to the al Qaida terrorist network. Not so. Bush also claimed that Iraq -- a third world country -- was a threat to the United States, the world’s only military superpower. Not true.

Unfortunately, we heard no shouts from members of Congress that would have disrupted Bush’s litany of lies to the House, the Senate and the American people. Why not?

Most Democratic and Republican lawmakers were spooked by evocations of the 9-11 catastrophe, a tragic image repeatedly conjured up by Bush and Cheney in their campaign to link the attacks to Saddam, even though no Iraqis were involved.

Here’s another fib: Bush said publicly on several occasions: "We do not torture." The president overlooked the fact that the CIA or its subcontractors inflicted waterboarding torture on detainees. During the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, President John F. Kennedy was making a speech in Chicago when he decided to hurry back to Washington. His aides put out the word that he had to rush home to the White House because of a bad "cold." They lied.

In the aftermath, Arthur Sylvester -- then the Pentagon spokesman -- caused a ruckus when he said the government had the right to lie in cases of a possible nuclear crisis. Few presidents are immune from telling tall tales. I have come to believe it goes with the turf.

There are clever end runs and linguistic dodges to avoid outright lies. A "no comment" was always an easy way to avoid the truth trap -- that is, until Kennedy’s press secretary, the late Pierre Salinger, admitted at a briefing that a "no comment" was tantamount to "yes."

The phrase "credibility gap" was coined during the presidency of Lyndon B. Johnson when he expounded on his budget and the Vietnam War.

Nazi propaganda guru Hermann Goebbels said that if you tell a lie often enough, people will come to believe it.

Franklin D. Roosevelt went to Pittsburgh before the start of World War II and promised that the U.S. would not go to war. After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor -- when war became inevitable -- he asked his aides what he should say to the American people? They told him: "Say you were never in Pittsburgh."

Truth telling is easier on the conscience and much easier when it comes to keeping your story straight. As the venerable Sen. George Aiken, R-Vt., once said: "If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember what you said the last time."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackobama; bho2009; bho44; democrats; dims; helenthomas; joewilson; liberalmeathead; obama; obamalamadingdong; obamarama; rats; senileoldbat
Good evening!
1 posted on 09/16/2009 5:00:34 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: beckysueb; DirtyHarryY2K; holly go-rightly; Jet Jaguar; Lauren BaRecall; LucyT; machogirl; ...
Pleasant dreams, Helen Thomas ping list members! FReepmail me if you'd like to be added to the list.
2 posted on 09/16/2009 5:01:41 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

You didn’t post WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES ALERT!


3 posted on 09/16/2009 5:01:47 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: seanmerc

I know the Maureen Dowd rule, but what is the Helen Thomas rule?


4 posted on 09/16/2009 5:03:20 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: seanmerc

NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD. (blood dripping letters here)


5 posted on 09/16/2009 5:03:47 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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6 posted on 09/16/2009 5:04:27 PM PDT by 50mm (AARP is a steaming pile)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

True; I had to choose between that and the subtitle of her article. Sorry!


7 posted on 09/16/2009 5:04:46 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

Arg!!!!! Don’t DO that!


8 posted on 09/16/2009 5:04:58 PM PDT by Raebie (~Never go down with a loaded gun~)
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To: LukeL
what is the Helen Thomas rule?

Here it is, step right up!


9 posted on 09/16/2009 5:05:37 PM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: LukeL

10 posted on 09/16/2009 5:05:50 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

LOL, this disgusting old skidmark is still beating the tired “Bush lied” drum!


11 posted on 09/16/2009 5:06:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: seanmerc

Not “for” his rudeness, but in spite of it. Sometimes speaking truth to power trumps decorum.


12 posted on 09/16/2009 5:07:00 PM PDT by sourcery (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: paulycy

Ha! My five-year-old just looked over my shoulder and asked “who’s that crazy lady??” Didn’t quite know how to explain the thing to her...


13 posted on 09/16/2009 5:07:20 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: seanmerc

14 posted on 09/16/2009 5:07:58 PM PDT by sourcery (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: 50mm

15 posted on 09/16/2009 5:08:21 PM PDT by 50mm (AARP is a steaming pile)
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16 posted on 09/16/2009 5:08:55 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: seanmerc
Thank you for posting that picture... NOT!

The sad part is that Helen is much more beautiful on the outside than she is on the inside.

17 posted on 09/16/2009 5:09:34 PM PDT by KevinB (Those who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either being made.)
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To: seanmerc

Hey Helen what about your boy Klinton, “I did not have sex with that women”? That one has to be at least second to Obambi’s from the other night.


18 posted on 09/16/2009 5:09:59 PM PDT by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: KevinB

Well, THAT’S a sad commentary, isn’t it?


19 posted on 09/16/2009 5:11:07 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

Helen Thomas...proof positive that earlier generations of man engaged in sex with non-mammal species.


20 posted on 09/16/2009 5:11:15 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: seanmerc

Thank heavens I am on dial up and was able to read the article before the pictures stated downloading!


21 posted on 09/16/2009 5:11:29 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (That's reicest you dirty rat dog Reicest you!)
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To: seanmerc

Helen Thomas is nothing more that a useful idiot and skank of the Clown Universe.


22 posted on 09/16/2009 5:11:37 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: seanmerc

Oh crap, I’m eating and didn’t pay attention to the thread title.......


23 posted on 09/16/2009 5:12:05 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: seanmerc

Very clever. I can’t remember the name of that episode though. Remind me.


24 posted on 09/16/2009 5:13:55 PM PDT by ReluctantDragon
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To: seanmerc
EMERGENCY EYEWASH!!


25 posted on 09/16/2009 5:17:46 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: seanmerc

If it wasn’t for former President Bush, what would Keith 0lbermann and Helen Thomas have for pillow talk?
Should someone bother to tell them that Bush hasn’t been president for nearly 8 months now?


26 posted on 09/16/2009 5:18:40 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: ReluctantDragon

Wish I could...maybe someone else can help us out.


27 posted on 09/16/2009 5:18:45 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

Very, very good. Very creative!


28 posted on 09/16/2009 5:20:11 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: seanmerc

So what is Helen saying? Shouting out the President is lying when, in fact, he IS lying and everyone KNOWS he’s lying but don’t want to say he’s lying is worthy of being condemned?


29 posted on 09/16/2009 5:24:08 PM PDT by HarleyD
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30 posted on 09/16/2009 5:24:15 PM PDT by 50mm (AARP is a steaming pile)
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To: abb

You are a wonderful person!


31 posted on 09/16/2009 5:30:15 PM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: seanmerc

32 posted on 09/16/2009 5:31:16 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: PA Engineer

Would like to take credit for it, but I can’t. I swiped it from someone else. Glad you enjoyed it!


33 posted on 09/16/2009 5:36:48 PM PDT by seanmerc
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34 posted on 09/16/2009 5:41:30 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: abb
That is a sight for sore eyes! Thanks for the relief.
35 posted on 09/16/2009 5:45:43 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: seanmerc

I’m surprised that Helen threw the “Great” Roosevelt into the mix. Probably her idea of equal time.


36 posted on 09/16/2009 6:33:46 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I am only ONE of many real Jim Thompsons, yet I am ONE.)
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To: seanmerc

“Hermann Goebbels”???


37 posted on 09/16/2009 8:04:13 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
You didn’t post WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES ALERT!

Here name is the first two words in the headline. You've been around since 2005 and needed another warning?

38 posted on 09/16/2009 8:06:10 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: seanmerc

They can’t handle the truth.

Joe Wilson’s outcry was wrenched from the heart of every American who is afraid for this country. I think most Americans who heard it, responded to it on a very basic level.

We are all usually so polite to the liberals, so passive and respectful. They can’t handle that Wilson treated them as they treat others. They use our manners against us.

And, as is typical when a gentle soul loses its temper, Wilson did it thoroughly and effectively.


39 posted on 09/16/2009 10:14:04 PM PDT by Melian ("In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned." Twain)
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To: seanmerc

Now, that was just unnecessary~ .... !


40 posted on 09/17/2009 2:45:05 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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