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Camille Paglia Provides Much-Needed Intellectual Cred for Birthers (Going Mainstream?)
The Village Voice ^ | September 17, 2009 | Roy Edroso

Posted on 09/17/2009 12:18:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

And you thought birtherism was just for hillbillies and Republicans! David Weigel heard Camille Paglia on NPR yesterday, where the author of Sexual Personae and UArts professor told a no doubt astonished latte-drinking audience that "there are legitimate questions about the documentation of Obama's birth certificate. I'm sorry, I've been following this closely from the start." Indeed she has; we noticed her railing on the topic as far back as November ("simple questions about the certificate were never resolved to my satisfaction"). Now that they've got a genuine intellectual on board, the birthers just need a popular entertainer to carry their message to the sheeple. Come on, Toby Keith, what are you waiting for?


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Scared, they are. Fear, they have.
1 posted on 09/17/2009 12:18:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Master Yoda, you are.


2 posted on 09/17/2009 12:19:58 PM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know what the problems are in Obama’s records, but that something is amiss is pretty much beyond dispute at this point. there’s no other explanation for Obama’s own actions keeping all of the info under wraps.


3 posted on 09/17/2009 12:20:39 PM PDT by cvq3842 (I don't ask what my country can do for me - I ask my government to STOP doing things TO me!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; LucyT; trumandogz; Cosimo de Medici

PING.

Lucy I think the wheels are starting to come off the bus!


4 posted on 09/17/2009 12:21:12 PM PDT by stockpirate (Joe Wilson Truth Czar for a Free Republic!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Scared, they are. Fear, they have.

And rightfully so.
If the facts get out about their Obomba man they're toast for the next 20 years.

5 posted on 09/17/2009 12:21:29 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m sorry but the media’s attempt to marginalize those who are skeptical with a sorry, ridiculous sounding name (birthers) is a failure.


6 posted on 09/17/2009 12:22:11 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: stockpirate
Like this?

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7 posted on 09/17/2009 12:24:21 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Where is my much anticipated Obama Opus?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Camille Paglia Provides Much-Needed Intellectual Cred for Birthers (Going Mainstream?)

It's not credibility unless it is liberal credibility. Conservative yokels can barely remember where they left their stills and Klan robes, much less read a book. < /sarcasm so thick even a liberal can see it>

8 posted on 09/17/2009 12:27:16 PM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: stockpirate; Fred Nerks; null and void; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; MeekOneGOP; ...
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9 posted on 09/17/2009 12:27:54 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; quikdrw

Invert your subject and object, you do. Green it makes you [and your English teacher, too.]


10 posted on 09/17/2009 12:27:54 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Just another Joe

If Obama has some sort of fraud associated with his Long Form Birth Certificate, it will do exactly the damage to the Democratic Party just as you say.

It would be the greatest voter fraud in human history and several top Dems would have to had been in on it.

If Barry’s only fear is that he is listed as ‘white’, then I don’t think that would do that much damage to him.

He certainly is afraid of something.


11 posted on 09/17/2009 12:28:02 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Scum they remain, pond scum"

12 posted on 09/17/2009 12:29:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Put down the RPN calculator and back away slowly.


13 posted on 09/17/2009 12:29:41 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: FredZarguna

Green and rolling in her grave, is she. Haunting me, she is.


14 posted on 09/17/2009 12:29:51 PM PDT by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I love Camille!


15 posted on 09/17/2009 12:31:05 PM PDT by Palladin (ACORN is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: F15Eagle
If Barry’s only fear is that he is listed as ‘white’, then I don’t think that would do that much damage to him.

I really don't think that's it.
If that was the case why would soooooo many of his records be off limits?

I truly think that there is incriminating evidence that he can not be considered a "natural born citizen" of the USA.

16 posted on 09/17/2009 12:31:09 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Now that they've got a genuine intellectual on board

Supercilious they are.

Condescending they must be.

17 posted on 09/17/2009 12:32:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Claiming that only now do “birthers” have any intellectual credibility? That in itself is purposely condescending.


18 posted on 09/17/2009 12:33:16 PM PDT by SandWMan ( A riot ist an ugly sing, und, I sink it's about time zat ve had vone!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The bus with all the wheels falling off - is that the same bus that Obama threw all those people under? Just asking.


19 posted on 09/17/2009 12:33:45 PM PDT by cblue55
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To: SandWMan

Oops, sorry....Condescending, it is, hmmm?


21 posted on 09/17/2009 12:34:22 PM PDT by SandWMan ( A riot ist an ugly sing, und, I sink it's about time zat ve had vone!)
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To: quikdrw

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of grammarians cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.


22 posted on 09/17/2009 12:34:34 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s the Baiters vs the Birthers.


23 posted on 09/17/2009 12:35:05 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: KarlInOhio
Book? I can read a book.


24 posted on 09/17/2009 12:35:42 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Camille Paglia, the Salon.com columnist. “First of all, I reject the idea that the “birther” campaign is motivated by racism. There may be racism among it, but there are legitimate questions about the documentation of Obama’s birth certificate. I’m sorry, I’ve been following this closely from the start. To assume that all those signs about the birth controversy were motivated by racism, that is simply wrong.”


25 posted on 09/17/2009 12:39:52 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Much needed cred? Horeshit. We’ve been exposing the marxist right here on good old FR regrading this for months.


26 posted on 09/17/2009 12:41:08 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: F15Eagle

He doesn’t need to have a legal eligibility fraud in order to have problems: if his birth certificate says either that his father was “unknown,” or that his birth name is not Barack 0bama, it betrays him as a poseur.


27 posted on 09/17/2009 12:42:25 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Just another Joe

Likely there’s a whole combination of things. Did you catch this article?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/is_obama_a_narcissist.html

Skip down to “Feel the love?” and then back up about 5 paragraphs and start going forward.


28 posted on 09/17/2009 12:42:42 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Disclosurists have had a “genuine intellectual” on board from the start: Dr. Alan Keyes.

I guess it worries them that cracks are beginning to form on the left.


29 posted on 09/17/2009 12:43:01 PM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is very bad news for Obama. Camille Paglia is a lesbian atheist Democrat, so she cannot be dismissed as some bitter right-winger. Paglia is also a fearless genius.
30 posted on 09/17/2009 12:43:42 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: FredZarguna

“Uknown” would do some damage, but not enough to cut the power from his lemmings, I don’t think. Not enough of them anyways. I agree it would cast further doubt and a shadow that the “Barack Obama” thing is nothing more than a myth.

But another father listed would definitely blow the lid off a “Barack Obama myth”. That would do him some serious political damage, IMHO.


31 posted on 09/17/2009 12:45:20 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some thoughts on this matter:

In the opening statement of the motion to dismiss, the DOJ lays the responsibility upon the Congress to “qualify” the Presidential candidate. The only job of Congress in “qualifying” the President-elect is that they insure that he or she receives the required number of electoral votes required by the Constitution. It is absurd to expect that Congress members would be physically or mentally able to fulfill the duty of making certain a candidate is eligible to be on an election ballot.

To simplify the election process, each state has their own election laws.

In WV, Obama signed a sworn statement that he was constitutionally eligible to place his name upon our ballot just as he did in Arizona and perhaps other states whose laws required this.

In Hawaii, the state required that the National and State Democrat party officials swear sworn statements as to his constitutional eligibility, which they did.

I don’t know if any states or the parties require a birth certificate to prove eligibility to be a candidate. If not, they are relying upon the candidate or the National and State parties’ sworn statements. It is FRAUD to swear a false statement. This is a CRIME.

I wrote to my representatives BEFORE the electoral votes were certified. Senator Byrd, who is often described as a constitutional scholar, replied to me that it was up to the states to make sure that their elections were handled in accordance with the Constitution. He also indicated that a complaint would offer Obama the opportunity to defend himself in the court system.

It is unreasonable to expect a Federal Agency would be in charge of each state’s elections and ballots.

Governors,legislators, and state office holders of each state also swear oaths to uphold the Constitution. So each state is responsible for assuring it’s elections are lawful. All Congress does is certify that the candidate got the required number of votes required by the Constitution. Any educated and responsible attorney should recognize this. Their motion is truly ridiculous.

If Obama lied when he signed the forms to get on the ballot (and we know from his background that he taught Constitutional Law at the University in Chicago), he is criminally guilty of fraud.

We citizens are required to produce birth certificates for a wide range of situations. We must “prove” our statements. My husband and I had to do that just last March to the retirement board. They made us bring certified copies of our birth certificates to a planning meeting even though we had signed statements prior.

This whole thing is stupid. Just like enrolling in school, playing sports, getting a driver’s license,and a myriad of oother circumstances, noone should be allowed to be on a ballot for any office (or be allowed to vote) who does not submit a proper birth certificate to prove their citizenship to the Secretary of State, a Local Clerk’s office, or their party officials who are charged with handling the election process. There are more liars than not in today’s society. All the more reason for expecting proof of statements.

On another note:
The Constitution says :
“ No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States “

Would it not be a violation of the above when Hawaii has a law allowing a foreign born person to record, receive, and use for lawful purposes, a birth certificate stating they were born in Hawaii, when in fact they were not? Isn’t this circumventing my Constitutional right to expect that my vote is for a “natural born” president or even a citizen president for that matter? Since there has been no amendment changing the natural born provision, it is my right to expect that I am voting for a president who meets this qualification and proves such being that I am required to submit my birth certificate frequently to comply with the laws of my land. I happily do so knowing full well, I do not want to live in a land of the lawless.


32 posted on 09/17/2009 12:45:56 PM PDT by Jude in WV
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To: sneakers

bttt


33 posted on 09/17/2009 12:46:15 PM PDT by sneakers (Indiana (Pa) Patriots: www.standtoo.com)
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To: rjp2005

The dreaded “ers”.

We know Obama had a birth, we just want to know where.

Thus, it should be “born-ers”. LOL!


34 posted on 09/17/2009 12:46:42 PM PDT by donna (We must accept Fascism to prove we are not racist? Not gonna happen.)
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To: utahagen
This is very bad news for Obama. Camille Paglia is a lesbian atheist Democrat, so she cannot be dismissed as some bitter right-winger. Paglia is also a fearless genius.
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What's going on here? Why would a lesbian atheist Democrat question Obama’s eligibility?

35 posted on 09/17/2009 12:46:47 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Jude in WV

I contacted my State’s Sec’y of State back before the Primaries in my state. They said they had to accept the statement of the candidates that they were eligible for the office.

There were suits filed in my state challenging Obama on the ballot, but the Judges punted and refused any hearing of the facts.


36 posted on 09/17/2009 12:50:04 PM PDT by bvw
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To: wintertime

She may be the only “lesbian atheist Democrat” with any
intellectual honesty left on the planet.


37 posted on 09/17/2009 12:52:08 PM PDT by bytesmith
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To: BenLurkin

Camille Paglia is an intellectually honest liberal. She has been a devoted Obamite from the start...yet...you can read in her columns a disappointment, the beginnings of a buyer’s remorse perhaps.

She is brilliant and scholarly and for her to start to admit she ‘sees’ a problems is big. Really big.


38 posted on 09/17/2009 12:52:18 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (They that can give up liberty 2 purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety)
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To: bytesmith

Gee! I thought intellectually honest Democrat ( Marxist really) was an oxymoron.


39 posted on 09/17/2009 12:54:36 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

to the top, back


40 posted on 09/17/2009 12:54:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: F15Eagle

Jeepers. That’s one messed up background that’s going to come out sideways someday. I kinda feel sorry for him. Sort of.

Good thing we didn’t do something stupid by giving in to our emotions and elect this person as President.

...

Ooops.


41 posted on 09/17/2009 12:54:59 PM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Jude in WV

It seems to escape attention that if the exhibited on the Internet CoLB is actually a genuine Hawaiian CoLB, then the Fukino statement is self-contradictory because the CoLB lists father as an African which makes Barry ineligible because he would not be what Fukino asserted, he woul dnot be a natural born citizen by the very definition Barry signed onto with the McCain Senate resolution! Yet the fool quisling, Clay Land, blythly repeats the talking points he’s been instructed to cite as reason to dismiss and Orly fails once again to practice law.


42 posted on 09/17/2009 12:55:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

Maybe so, but the arrogance is in saying that there are no “true intellectuals” who are not already on board with the issue.


43 posted on 09/17/2009 12:56:57 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: bytesmith

Check out the brilliant Tammy Bruce ...


44 posted on 09/17/2009 12:56:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: FredZarguna
if his birth certificate says either that his father was “unknown,” or that his birth name is not Barack 0bama, it betrays him as a poseur.

Actually, 90 seconds of research betrays him as a poseur.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

45 posted on 09/17/2009 12:58:03 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: bvw
Many, many, many people complained before the election. We were told nothing could be done until after the election. They after the election we were told it was too late since it was already after the election.

Talk about a cowardly Catch 22!

I am DISGUSTED with Republicans! I don't care if it is Donald Duck or Goofy running the primaries I will vote for anyone who is NOT an incumbant!

By the way,...I am just as disgusted with the conservative media regarding Obama’s eligibility! They will **never** have my trust and respect again. They are nothing but big loud mouths with gonads the size of dust mites.

46 posted on 09/17/2009 12:59:06 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Little Pig

Have my HP48 you can, when pry from my cold dead fingers you do!


47 posted on 09/17/2009 1:00:34 PM PDT by Crolis ("Nemo me impune lacessit!" - "No one provokes me with impunity!")
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To: FredZarguna

Love it! By the way, I hate the “meme” fad. Please add the current over-use of “narrative” to your list.


48 posted on 09/17/2009 1:02:26 PM PDT by balls (ABCNNBCBSNYT Obama Media Lies)
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To: wintertime

Yes, that is all so.


49 posted on 09/17/2009 1:03:59 PM PDT by bvw
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To: utahagen

Hey any other “lesbian atheist Democrats” out there that wanna join in? Helen? Rosie? ;-)


50 posted on 09/17/2009 1:05:50 PM PDT by thecraw (Follower of Jesus...American...Tennessean...Birther! You Betcha!)
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