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Camille Paglia Provides Much-Needed Intellectual Cred for Birthers (Going Mainstream?)
The Village Voice ^ | September 17, 2009 | Roy Edroso

Posted on 09/17/2009 12:18:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I see you’ve had to move the goal posts again. Chuckle.


161 posted on 09/18/2009 8:35:20 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Balding_Eagle
Ashamed Titus? Really? You should be ashamed for being so willing to ignore facts. Facts, that any right thinking person would raise an eyebrow and say "Oh Really?" Fact. There are no records of Barry 0's life none but for his word alone and two books. No college records, no senate records, no congressional records, no travel records. Nothing, Nada, Zip! This does not concern you and we are asking the most basic question that is asked for obtaining a job or passport?
Tell me how can ignore the ability of any going to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and producing a birth certificate in a few minutes?  That is Birth Certificate will all the attendant information you would find in one.
 
Here begins the crux of problem:

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

  • His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
  •  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
  • The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
  • The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
  • More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

  • His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
  • The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
  • Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 
 
 

162 posted on 09/18/2009 9:14:11 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

I looked at your COLB “facts”, and they’ve all been debunked long ago.


163 posted on 09/18/2009 9:59:25 AM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

“I looked at your COLB “facts”, and they’ve all been debunked long ago.”

No kidding? Which ones?


164 posted on 09/18/2009 10:02:13 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
"His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”. That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s."

Says who? This is simply an unsupported asertion. Whoever filled out the document could have put whatever they wanted.

"The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan. If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?"

You refer only to the scanned copy. Why people choose to crop is irrelevant to the issue. It doesn't matter and hardly is evidence of anything. More importantly, questions about the scans are not questions about the document. There are also photographs of the document being held and examined.

"The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds. A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them."

Wrong on both counts. A scanner tends to make images without shadows, which minimizes folds and seals. And the folds and seal are on the scanned image. But again, you only talk about the scan and not the photos.

"The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii. Why? Because it was computer generated and not scanned."

See above. The seal is on the scanned image.

"More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like."

HE didn't produce it. The State of Hawaii did. And it is completely consistent with the document Hawaii produces when ones requests their birth certificate from them.

165 posted on 09/18/2009 10:48:06 AM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

dude, you are such an obvious fraud. Picking and choosing the questions to answer and parsimoniously at that.

I am in the middle of a workout so I will get back to you in a while.

However it obvious you do not scan very many documents. I scan hundreds of pages a week and it doesn’t seem to matter if I use my fancy schmancie one or the cheap one. They both produce artifacts and show folds. Oh! and I sold MFP’s for while so I a. pretty sure I know what I am talking about.

I only had to answer stupid questions from customers about artifacts and made it real clear. the scanner is going to reproduce what is there.

The only way you can make artifacts go away is to paint brush them.

Then you don’t address why Barry O. doesn’t just present a Birth Certificate but profer the State of Hawaii did? Lame, Lame, Lame!

On who’s request did Hawaii act upon? They didn’t do it without Barry asking for it. IF HE DID.

The state of Hawaii never, ever said they produced one for Barry. feel free to show where they say it but moreover tell me what the motivation was to present a COLB when he already has three Birth Certificates. He must still have the one he waxed on about in his book.

It seemed pretty darn important then.

You can’t even bring yourself to ask the questions.

You only come to these “Birther” stories to undermine with what?

Psychofantastic non-answers?


166 posted on 09/18/2009 11:36:10 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

dude, I’m not the fraud.

I specifically said your points about the birth certificate were wrong. Then you asked me which ones. So why would I be expected to respond to other different points? You aren’t making sense.

In fact, I scan a great many documents and have a great deal of experience with them and with digital images. But my experience isn’t the point. I stated facts.

The scanner did reproduce what is there. The folds and the seal are on the scan. They just don’t jump out at you, which is not a surprise.

And you STILL ignore the fact that the scans are irrelevant because we have photos of the documents.


167 posted on 09/18/2009 4:47:14 PM PDT by mlo
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