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Archaeologists find suspected Trojan war-era couple
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 9/22/09 | Reuters

Posted on 09/22/2009 12:57:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

ANKARA (Reuters) – Archaeologists in the ancient city of Troy in Turkey have found the remains of a man and a woman believed to have died in 1,200 B.C., the time of the legendary war chronicled by Homer, a leading German professor said on Tuesday.

Ernst Pernicka, a University of Tubingen professor of archaeometry who is leading excavations on the site in northwestern Turkey, said the bodies were found near a defense line within the city built in the late Bronze age.

The discovery could add to evidence that Troy's lower area was bigger in the late Bronze Age than previously thought, changing scholars' perceptions about the city of the "Iliad."

"If the remains are confirmed to be from 1,200 B.C. it would coincide with the Trojan war period. These people were buried near a mote. We are conducting radiocarbon testing, but the finding is electrifying," Pernicka told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Ancient Troy, located in the northwest of modern-day Turkey at the mouth of the Dardanelles not far south of Istanbul, was unearthed in the 1870s by Heinrich Schliemann, the German entrepreneur and pioneering archaeologist who discovered the steep and windy city described by Homer.

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KEYWORDS: archaeologists; catastrophism; couple; godsgravesglyphs; homer; suspected; trojanwar
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An undated handout picture shows the remains of a man and a woman believed to have died in 1,200 B.C. in the ancient city of Troy in northwestern Turkey. Archaeologists in the ancient city of Troy in Turkey have found the remains of a man and a woman believed to have died in 1,200 B.C., the time of the legendary war chronicled by Homer, a leading German professor said on Tuesday. REUTERS/Project Troy/Handout


1 posted on 09/22/2009 12:57:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Washington Huskies beat the Trojans (AKA rubbers) like a drum last Saturday.


2 posted on 09/22/2009 12:59:55 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: NormsRevenge
These people were buried near a mote.

???

3 posted on 09/22/2009 1:00:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

He mite have ment moat.


4 posted on 09/22/2009 1:01:38 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

One thing which has always interested me is the Apostle Paul visited a place called Troias or Troy as we would call it. It was named that because it was located near the ancient city of Troy and in fact it was located near where Troy actually was.

Now if these people knew where the ancient city was located, why did so many experts claim there was no such place? Also maybe they knew exactly where it was located. I wonder if there are any other records other than the Iliad to locate it. I know Schliemann used the description in the Iliad to find it.


5 posted on 09/22/2009 1:03:39 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Larry Lucido

Isnt a MOTE a medieval manor house that is surrounded by a MOAT?


6 posted on 09/22/2009 1:04:29 PM PDT by Concho
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To: Larry Lucido

I thought “mote” was wrong too, but when I looked it up, one of the meanings was a trench full of water around a castle.

Hmmmm......must be an alternate spelling.


7 posted on 09/22/2009 1:05:06 PM PDT by EggsAckley (There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply. W.C. Fields)
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To: Sherman Logan

A mote is akin to a log.


8 posted on 09/22/2009 1:05:24 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What were they suspected of?


9 posted on 09/22/2009 1:06:51 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Don't threaten me with a good time.)
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To: EggsAckley; Concho

I’ll take noat of that.


10 posted on 09/22/2009 1:07:43 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let’s just arrest them and put them on trial for war crimes I say!


11 posted on 09/22/2009 1:08:42 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Sherman Logan

The writer probably meant “motte,” which is a raised earthwork. So, mound.


12 posted on 09/22/2009 1:08:49 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Don't threaten me with a good time.)
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To: IYAS9YAS; Sherman Logan
Whoops - I misremembered that. A mote can also be a speck (not a log) - like of sand.

Matthew 7-3 "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

I forgot the mote was the speck...

13 posted on 09/22/2009 1:09:48 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: Drango

It stands to reason that these Trojans were not overcome by Huskies since their bones were not consumed.


14 posted on 09/22/2009 1:09:48 PM PDT by tumblindice (But why does Trojan gum taste like rubber?)
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To: Sherman Logan
You prefer Moet? ;-)


15 posted on 09/22/2009 1:10:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: SunkenCiv
ping
16 posted on 09/22/2009 1:13:28 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Drango

The Huskies really howled.. A real hard fought game.. they go to Stanford this weekend. 2 and 0 out of that game would be good.. considering the 0 - 12 record last year.


17 posted on 09/22/2009 1:13:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: Sherman Logan
I caught that one too.

How were they able to even see a ~3200 year old mote?

18 posted on 09/22/2009 1:14:23 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: tumblindice

It’s Washington STATE “cougars” team that eats bones and they stand no chance against the rubbers.


19 posted on 09/22/2009 1:15:09 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I thought that Troy was in New York state .... hmmm


20 posted on 09/22/2009 1:15:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NormsRevenge

Actually, I do.


21 posted on 09/22/2009 1:16:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Drango

Bons mots only


22 posted on 09/22/2009 1:17:18 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Korbel works too.

(clink of glass)


23 posted on 09/22/2009 1:18:05 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

is that a couple from the Trojan War Era, or a couple using Trojans just before he shipped out for WWII?


24 posted on 09/22/2009 1:19:18 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Drango
It’s Washington STATE “cougars” team that eats bones and they stand no chance against the rubbers.

Thanks for clearing that up. At first I thought they were playing a bunch of horny middle aged women.

25 posted on 09/22/2009 1:20:02 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: SunkenCiv
Ping.
26 posted on 09/22/2009 1:20:27 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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Archaeologists work on the remains of a man and a woman believed to have died in 1,200 B.C. in the ancient city of Troy in northwestern Turkey in this undated handout photo. Archaeologists in the ancient city of Troy in Turkey have found the remains of a man and a woman believed to have died in 1,200 B.C., the time of the legendary war chronicled by Homer, a leading German professor said on Tuesday. REUTERS/Project Troy/Handout (TURKEY ENVIRONMENT SOCIETY IMAGES OF THE DAY) FOR EDITORIAL USE ONLY. NOT FOR SALE FOR MARKETING OR ADVERTISING CAMPAIGNS


27 posted on 09/22/2009 1:22:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: colorado tanker

I’ve been following pro football since my college team doesn’t seem able to beat the team from St. Mary’s School for Wayward, Deaf, Blind & Halt Girls.

....................UUColtsUU....................


28 posted on 09/22/2009 1:29:09 PM PDT by tumblindice (Apathetic and uninformed college ball fan? I dunno and I don't care.)
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To: yarddog
Now if these people knew where the ancient city was located, why did so many experts claim there was no such place?

Because of their invincible elitism. See also: Anthropogenic Global Warming.

29 posted on 09/22/2009 1:29:44 PM PDT by agere_contra (The Democrats use Black people as human shields.)
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To: SkyDancer

No, the real Troy is located in South Alabama.


30 posted on 09/22/2009 1:38:57 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Larry Lucido

I specked he did not mean mote.


31 posted on 09/22/2009 1:50:19 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: yarddog

Oh yeah, the other one ....


32 posted on 09/22/2009 1:56:58 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer; NormsRevenge

And when I read the title, I thought this thread was going to be about condoms. Go figure.


33 posted on 09/22/2009 2:01:05 PM PDT by Daffynition (What's all this about hellfire and Dalmatians?)
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To: Daffynition

There’s a joke story headline about it on FARK ....


34 posted on 09/22/2009 2:03:06 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

Well, why not. :-D


35 posted on 09/22/2009 2:10:27 PM PDT by Daffynition (What's all this about hellfire and Dalmatians?)
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To: yarddog
Now if these people knew where the ancient city was located, why did so many experts claim there was no such place?

That was a LONG time ago. Troy was rediscovered in the late 19th century and has slowly been excavated and the theory of 1865 has been mostly confirmed. When I studied history in college (1970s) it was still a subject of controversy, but opinion leaning towards "we found it". Now it seems to have swung decisively to "yep, here it is". Troy the Wikipedia article is decent.

36 posted on 09/22/2009 2:47:19 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: NormsRevenge
These people were buried near a mote.

Buried near a tiny dust particle?

37 posted on 09/22/2009 2:53:56 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: Jack Black

That is pretty much my idea of the situation too with a small difference. My impression was that Schliemann’s discovery was pretty much accepted as Troy until fairly recently when much doubt was cast on it.

Then in the last 20 years they have pretty much swung back to agreeing that it really is the site of Troy.

BTW, I was in college about the same time as you and was a Classics major for a while.


38 posted on 09/22/2009 2:57:17 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
So if someone happened to be paying attention to this during the period where the theory was in doubt (1970-1990 as a ballpark?) then they might have the impression that "we don't know where Troy was" or even "We don't konw if Troy was real".

A standard biography of Alexander I read tells the story of him visiting the Tomb of Achilles. Perhaps this is apochraphal too, or perhaps not. The story is that he took possession of Achilles breastplate. We will probably never know what percent is real and what fanciful, other than it's neither 0% true nor 100% true.

39 posted on 09/22/2009 3:04:59 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

I too remember reading of Alexander visiting the tomb of Achilles. Of course Alexander thought he was a descendant of both Achilles and Zeus.

My own guess is the tomb and breastplate were the result of local entrepreneurs using the site of Troy to make money from tourists. On the other hand they really did seem to know the location of Troy and time has proven them correct.


40 posted on 09/22/2009 3:17:01 PM PDT by yarddog
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Ancient Troy, located in the northwest of modern-day Turkey at the mouth of the Dardanelles not far south of Istanbul, was unearthed in the 1870s by Heinrich Schliemann, the German entrepreneur and pioneering archaeologist who discovered the steep and windy city described by Homer.
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41 posted on 09/22/2009 4:39:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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42 posted on 09/22/2009 4:39:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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‘It was built against the will of the immortal gods, and so it did not last for long.’


43 posted on 09/22/2009 4:48:22 PM PDT by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: tumblindice
I follow the college game, although every team I follow seems to be having some bad years. Even worse, everyone is worried the Broncos will have a stinky year, so I’d get no solace from the pro game, either.
44 posted on 09/22/2009 4:48:28 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: SunkenCiv
This thang was just screaming to be posted. :-))
45 posted on 09/22/2009 4:49:06 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: yarddog
The term in Acts 16.8 and 16.11 is Troas (or Troias), the region (the Troad) that includes Troy.

Since 1988 there has been a German team excavating at Troy, from the University of Tuebingen. It was directed by Manfred Korfmann until his death in 2005, and Ernst Pernicka took over afterwards.

For the latest archaeological reports from Troy, Google "Project Troia" and the website will pop up.

46 posted on 09/22/2009 4:58:48 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Jack Black; yarddog
The Romans believed that they were descended from the Trojans, as shown in the Aenead, So they built a Roman city on the site.
47 posted on 09/22/2009 5:01:06 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: BGHater

Figures. ;’)


48 posted on 09/22/2009 5:05:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: colorado tanker

You’re absolutely right. In fact, now that I’ve read the whole thing, I feel like dragging the carcasse of a defeated enemy behind my chariot.


49 posted on 09/22/2009 5:21:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; Sherman Logan

They used a remote camera to see the mote.


50 posted on 09/22/2009 6:14:15 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Zartan for President 2012)
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