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Pakistan discovers 'village' of white German al-Qaeda insurgents
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 25 Sep 2009 | Dean Nelson

Posted on 09/25/2009 9:35:32 AM PDT by PapaBear3625

Investigators have discovered a "Jihadi village" of white German al-Qaeda insurgents, including Muslim converts, in Pakistan's tribal areas close to the Afghan border.

The village, in Taliban-controlled Waziristan, is run by the notorious al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, which plots raids on Nato forces in Afghanistan.

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Khalid Khawaja, a former Pakistan intelligence officer, who describes himself as a friend of Osama bin Laden, said he was aware of a German contingent and that there were a number of Swedish converts too who had arrived in Pakistan "for Jihad".

"The Europeans are there [in Waziristan]. The most dedicated people there are from Europe. They will do anything for Islam. They are not there because their father's are Muslim, but by choice," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; alqueda; eurabia; german; germany; globaljihad; imu; jihad; taliban; tm; waziristan; whitealqaeda; whitealqaida; whitejihad; whitejihadi; whitejihadis
Looks like the next phase will involve ethnic-European converts, who will be able to blend in flawlessly in their targets
1 posted on 09/25/2009 9:35:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: PapaBear3625

Wonder if an Amish village will show up next...


2 posted on 09/25/2009 9:38:09 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: PapaBear3625

It won’t be long now, as Mr. Bobbitt said when his wife got out the scissors.


3 posted on 09/25/2009 9:38:46 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: PapaBear3625
more:
Last night a foreign ministry spokesman told The Daily Telegraph they were now negotiating with Pakistani authorities for the release of six Germans, including "Adrian M", a white Muslim convert, his Eritrean wife and their four year old daughter, who were arrested as they were making their way to the "German village". They are particularly concerned about the welfare of the child.

They are being held in custody in Peshawar after their arrest in May shortly when they crossed the border from Iran. They are understood to have left Germany in March this year.

Iran has a vested interest in causing trouble in Afghanistan and Europe.
4 posted on 09/25/2009 9:39:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

German citizens, not ethnic Germans from my understanding. North Africans via Germany.


5 posted on 09/25/2009 9:42:24 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: 556x45
Wonder if an Amish village will show up next...

In the article, there' also a mention of a Swedish village.

6 posted on 09/25/2009 9:42:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: sbMKE
German citizens, not ethnic Germans from my understanding. North Africans via Germany.

While the article talks of "many" being born-Muslim immigrants originally from North Africa, there are also a number of "converts", ie native Europeans who converted to Islam. It is the latter I'm concerned about, since they can blend in better.

7 posted on 09/25/2009 9:46:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

paging Mr. Hellfire....


8 posted on 09/25/2009 9:50:50 AM PDT by wny
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To: LucyT; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ping. Ethnic-European converts to Islam in terror-training villages in Pakistan.


9 posted on 09/25/2009 9:51:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

They probably also would have better aptitude for conventional fighting. They know how to follow orders and act as a cohesive combat group.


10 posted on 09/25/2009 9:52:47 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

This scares me. Europeans are not the stupid banzai charge type. One thing that really has me scared is if the Radical Fundie Muslims ever get together with Radical Fundie Christians. Outside of doctrinal differences, they share the same world view.

parsy, who thinks this is when, not if


11 posted on 09/25/2009 9:59:23 AM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Islaminaction

ping


12 posted on 09/25/2009 10:06:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: proxy_user
They probably also would have better aptitude for conventional fighting. They know how to follow orders and act as a cohesive combat group.

The article mentioned at least one convert as having been in the German military.

13 posted on 09/25/2009 10:07:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Islam destroys societies from within.

My first move would be to end their immigration and Mosque construction. If that does not work, those that call for Islam to be banned, just might be right.


14 posted on 09/25/2009 10:08:53 AM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: PapaBear3625; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
I told them to blend in, but no... they had to party down with those suicide bombers. Hitting all the strip clubs and ho houses!
15 posted on 09/25/2009 10:09:04 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

Maybe it’s Dr Shatterhand and the Black dragon society.


16 posted on 09/25/2009 10:10:12 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: parsifal
One thing that really has me scared is if the Radical Fundie Muslims ever get together with Radical Fundie Christians. Outside of doctrinal differences, they share the same world view.

I disagree here. Fundie Muslims have far more in common with radical Lefties, and would probably work well with Lefty terrorist groups. Points of commonality include the idea that the Individual is unimportant except as far as he serves the interests of the Group (whether the Group is the State or the Ummah is of secondary importance).

17 posted on 09/25/2009 10:11:47 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: parsifal
Like during the Crusades?

Blue, who thinks radical Christians and Muslims will join forces when hell freezes over.

18 posted on 09/25/2009 10:18:20 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (She is our Joan of Arc and we are her Guardian Captains.)
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To: parsifal

lol...

I think EVERYTHING is in the doctrinal differences...

Every religion, government or man has the potential to be monstrous. Some are monstrous because of their doctrines and some are in spite of their doctrines. What I can imagine of what a “radical fundie Christian” might be like, I think would be completely incompatible with a “radical fundie Muslim” In fact, I think you just defined the opposing sides of the crusades.

Also, I’m not sure I would be all that scared of what some may define as a “radical fundie Christian”. Now Spanish inquisition types may earn themselves a look down the barrel of my gun, but those weren’t really Christian fundamentalists were they? not even radical ones.

Meh... not all religions are created equal nor are the “radical” members of each.


19 posted on 09/25/2009 10:27:38 AM PDT by myself6
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To: PapaBear3625

I expect that Somali’s from the Midwest also have their own jihadist village.


20 posted on 09/25/2009 10:44:38 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: PapaBear3625

I hope a few of our people are there with them. We haven’t been able to get anyone on the inside of these organizations for a long time. Coming up with a White Convert branch of AQ might give us a chance.


21 posted on 09/25/2009 10:51:06 AM PDT by Defiant (Hey socialists-- We're right, we fight, get used to it.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I hope you and others are right. Here’s my fear. A huge number of Muslims do not live for this world. They live for the world after death, with God. The same God most of us believe in. That is why so many of them can blow themselves up. It may hurt on Planet Earth, but the reward is in heaven. This is also why things like “women’s rights” are a joke to them. Muslims have enough faith to reject the modern world.

RFC’s are about to that same point. This world is evil. Things in this world are of Satan. Most are not yet so deep into it that they are willing to blow themselves up, but I do not see that as a big step to be made. I think it is a little step. The further one goes down the road of consistency with an ethos, the easier it is to overdo it. (For example, Look at the some of the people who read Atlas Shrugged—they go off the deep end).

Now, we as a country are headed for a major societal breakdown. It will be a depression, whether now, a few years from now, or ten years from now. Whenever it hits, life as we know it is going to go thru some pretty big upheavals. We aren’t going to be able to afford so many of the things that we have taken for granted for years. From education, to pizzas, to jet skis, whatever, these things will be hard earned. This is going to drive America back to God, back to conservatism, and will have a lot of good effects, IMHO. Fundamental Christianity will thrive. We won’t be able to afford a bunch of illegitimate children. Knocked up girls are going to have get married. Drug using new son-in-laws are going to start getting their *sses kicked by grandpas, and they are going to have to get serious, get jobs, and friggin grow up.

In other words, life socially will go back pretty much where it was in the 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s. Again, IMHO. Only way America will be able to compete with other nations who do not have a mass of deadweight to have to carry.

Anyway, this atmosphere will be ripe for an explosion in RFC, and most Muslims are pretty socially conservative. Their girls are not pushed into being sex objects. Thievery and drug use are not tolerated. Neither is adultery. Obedience to parents is demanded and punished when not forthcoming.

A lot of beliefs in common. I think is fertile ground for cross pollination.

parsy, who hopes he is wrong


22 posted on 09/25/2009 10:58:56 AM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: parsifal

You got it all wrong. Radical muslims follow the teachings of mohammed who modeled conversion by the sword. Radical Christians follow Jesus who modeled conversion by love. He didn’t tell us to cut off the hands of theives but to hang out with them, love them as individuals worthy of GOD’s love and HIS sacrifice.
If one is to go blow up innocent people he definitely is not following the teachings of Christ. The Jews at the time wanted Him to lead a military and political overthrow of thier roman oppressors and He didn’t. He freed them from the oppression of sin instead and those who didn’t understand or refused to were the ones who wanted Him hung from a tree in shame.
Radical muslims have more in common with fascists and need a reformation to be able to live peacefully in the modern world. Christians have continued to grow in tolerance of others over the decades and the religious freedom of American individuals is a great example of that tolerance.


23 posted on 09/25/2009 11:11:51 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: myself6

Here’s a test for you. Watch this video and tell me what you think the reaction of a sincerely godly Muslim and a sincerely godly RFC would be to it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihZmKEobaqI&feature=PlayList&p=F8D67FE4485176D6&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=24

I think both will have the same visceral reaction to the video and to the culture that spawned it.

parsy, who is asking your opinion


24 posted on 09/25/2009 11:13:12 AM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: TheKidster

You believe in a loving Jesus like I do. Many Christians do not, or if they do it sure isn’t evident from their lives. They use Christianity as a sword of hatred, and as a way to bolster their own egos. This hatefulness is what has driven many people away from Jesus.

Watch that video I just posted and tell me how a RFC and Muslim would view it.

parsy, who says again, he hopes he is wrong


25 posted on 09/25/2009 11:19:29 AM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: PapaBear3625; Velveeta; WestCoastGal; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; MestaMachine; milford421; Godzilla
Thanks, PapaBear.

TM Ping.

26 posted on 09/25/2009 11:31:35 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: PapaBear3625

Ich bin ein Jihadische!


27 posted on 09/25/2009 11:33:41 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: parsifal

A real Christian would be saddened because it appeals to the flesh in a big way. A muslim I don’t know probably would be disgusted for the same reason?
A radical would probably be enraged but if they lashed out then they are operating in the flesh as well.
If your religion leads you to destroy then you are decieved by satan and following corruption not holiness.
Just because someone can quote bible verses and claims Christ doesn’t mean they are HIS. You will know whose they are by the fruit they bear but be careful because the fruit they bear in a short period of time only reveals who they follow at the moment not who they follow for thier lives.
Look at Paul as an example. He was a radical Pharisee then a radical Christian but always a radical.


28 posted on 09/25/2009 11:37:54 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TheKidster

IMHO, they would both be disgusted. They would both see it as a corruption of God’s plan for the world. I think both would see the purveyors of this kind of stuff as evil. In short, their reactions would be about 90% the same.

Currently, the Muslim would think it appropriate to stone or lash the woman, and destroy the purveyor. The average RFC would not yet go that far. BUT, let that RFC get to the point where he blames society for permitting this, and then you start seeing a convergence.

For now, I am very happy that the Muslims do not have an equivalent to Billy Graham, or Bob the Baptist or we might be seeing that convergence.

parsy, who tries to think ahead


29 posted on 09/25/2009 11:49:15 AM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: parsifal

;)

I suppose one would try to “save her soul” and or look down on her as “going to hell” and the other would try to kill her for crimes against their religion.

Honestly, the only thing this was a test of is my perception of what others might do according to the “model” I have build in my head of who and what they are. Nothing more... Although I am pretty confident that my “model” of both is going to be fairly accurate on a consistent basis.

In your mind are Christians bad or is it fundamentalist Christians that are bad? Maybe its just the radical ones that are bad?

In your mind, does radical equate to bad? If so, why?

Are all radicals bad? political, ideological, religious, etc? or only some of them?

...Just curious.


30 posted on 09/25/2009 11:55:35 AM PDT by myself6
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To: parsifal

If your going to operate on the assumption or forecast of what any man MIGHT do given a certain sequence and convergence of events, then you’re simply committing intellectual masturbation.

A persons actions are what defines them, not specifically their emotion or thoughts. Just because a person “feels” like killing does not equate to actually killing. Its the ability and willingness to NOT act upon that feeling that separates people, religions, ideologies, etc...


31 posted on 09/25/2009 12:07:12 PM PDT by myself6
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To: myself6

bump


32 posted on 09/25/2009 12:23:04 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: myself6

Hard to answer. I see similarities. Take for instance abortion protesters. We all agree they have a right to protest. Abortion is wrong, and if it were right, people would still have the right to protest. Some go beyond and kill the abortion doctors. In a legal sense, they are guilty of murder and the state has no choice but to prosecute.

As citizens, we have an obligation to obey laws. But I am curious as to what is going to happen in the jury room when the defense raises a “defense of life” defense. Muslims would probably see little wrong with shooting an abortion doctor.

Christians are not in favor of murder, but down there at the radical level, we have already seen a few make the jump. Right now, I think you can count these people on the fingers of one hand. Like Eric Rudolf, or that guy in Kansas. What happens if more become willing to cross that line between “Caesar’s laws” and what they view as God’s laws?

And what happens if those people ever link up with the fundamentalist type Muslims? Both groups spring from Judaism. Both believe in the 10 Commandments. Both view society as evil. Both believe in Heaven. There’s a lot of common ground. If one Christian in ten thousand make that
jump, you’re looking at what, like 25,000 people?

parsy, who can see this becoming a possibility down the road


33 posted on 09/25/2009 12:24:35 PM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: parsifal
As citizens, we have an obligation to obey laws. But I am curious as to what is going to happen in the jury room when the defense raises a “defense of life” defense. Muslims would probably see little wrong with shooting an abortion doctor.

Here's the fundamental difference [pun intended]: In 2009, you would have to look a long time to find a Christian whacked out enough to be in favor of killing somebody for insulting the name of Jesus. In several Muslim countries (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan come to mind), it is LAW that defaming Islam has the offender liable to the death penalty. Being an apostate is also a death penalty offense in Islam.

So let's stop with the moral equivalence games, okay?

34 posted on 09/25/2009 5:09:26 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

THREAD BUMP


35 posted on 09/25/2009 10:37:21 PM PDT by Cindy
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36 posted on 09/27/2009 2:19:16 AM PDT by Cindy
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