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California asks Uncle Sam for $4.6 billion for high-speed trains
Orange County Register ^ | September 25th, 2009, | Teri Sforza

Posted on 09/25/2009 11:11:06 PM PDT by South40

Imagine whizzing from Anaheim to San Francisco in just two hours and 57 minutes on a high-speed train, to enjoy dim sum in Chinatown.

For $40 billion or so, it might just come to pass!

On Thursday, the California High-Speed Rail Authority decided to apply for $4.57 billion in Federal High-Speed Rail Stimulus Funding for 10 projects throughout the state. That includes:

$2 billion for the Los Angeles to Anaheim segment, $1.28 billion for the San Francisco to San Jose segment, $819 million for the Fresno to Bakersfield segment, and $466 million for the Merced to Fresno segment. California would use state bond funds - from the recent passage of Proposition 1A, the High-Speed Rail Act, to match federal money dollar for dollar. The money would pay for preliminary engineering, project-level environmental work, mitigation, final design and construction.

(Excerpt) Read more at taxdollars.freedomblogging.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: rail

1 posted on 09/25/2009 11:11:07 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

Taxed Enough Already.


2 posted on 09/25/2009 11:23:14 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, O'Riley! I'd rather be a CRACKER than a CASPAR.)
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To: South40

1.28 billion for SF to San Jose. Amazing waste of money.


3 posted on 09/25/2009 11:24:17 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: South40

High speed rail or any rail is an effort in stupidity!


4 posted on 09/25/2009 11:28:42 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: South40
Uncle Sam to California: FU!
5 posted on 09/25/2009 11:28:42 PM PDT by DHSMostWanted (Almost 1 year after Obama was elected, the new V series premieres. Perfect!)
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To: glorgau

Here’s a wild suggestion. Bullet train...from LA to Mexico City. We pay for construction on our side...and pay for the construction on the other side (keeping folks folks busy for years and living there in Mexico). Then we offer up the bullet train...free of charge....getting folks quickly to the heart of LA.


6 posted on 09/25/2009 11:32:51 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: South40

They seem to come up with this idea every ten years or so, but it always gets quashed due to environmental issues.

Give it a rest. It will never happen.


7 posted on 09/25/2009 11:36:32 PM PDT by Ronin (Nemo me impune lacesset)
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To: South40
if they ask for 4.6 billion, it will probably cost 20 billion and only 5 people on a good day will ride it. Bay Area Mass Transit only transports about 4% of what their capacity is. Spend the money of building dams and reservoirs to get our asses out of the drought the environmentalists state we are in. Or just send more fresh water out to the ocean to help save some POS whale.
8 posted on 09/25/2009 11:36:43 PM PDT by antiunion person (PALIN/COULTER 2012)
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To: South40
What a waste of our tax payers money.

I was in France on business earlier this week and I took the French TGV for the first time. The trip was from Paris to the city Caen in the Normandy region. The ride was so uncomfortable that I almost threw up. When the high speed train makes even the slightest turns at very high speed it will just turn the stomach upside down. In fact if someone stands up during these turns it is highly likely that he will fall.

9 posted on 09/25/2009 11:37:06 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: glorgau

Isn’t there already a train between SF and San Jose? And don’t those trains keep hitting people, no matter what precautions the train takes? Spending all that money on a bullet train that might save, what, 20 minutes on the trip? Oh, yeah, that’s worth the money.


10 posted on 09/25/2009 11:37:18 PM PDT by JeffChrz (Atlas will shrug.)
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To: South40

Besides other obvious reasons not to, yes, let’s put these trains along active earthquake routes. REALLY spend the moeny wisely. Shur.


11 posted on 09/25/2009 11:40:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: South40
Imagine whizzing from Anaheim to San Francisco in just two hours and 57 minutes on a high-speed train, to enjoy dim sum in Chinatown. For $40 billion or so, it might just come to pass!

That'a pretty expensive dim sum. Like L.A doesn't have dim sum?

12 posted on 09/25/2009 11:41:15 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: jveritas

I’ve rode the high speed train from Frankfurt to Brussels and back. I thought it a great ride, one of the smoothest trains I’ve ever been on. I wonder if France uses different technology.


13 posted on 09/25/2009 11:41:55 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: South40
It will never get built. Its the White Elephant of high speed rail in America.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

14 posted on 09/25/2009 11:43:47 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

Sane people know you don’t ask your broke uncle for money. But Kalifornia’s leftist-lature is not sane.


15 posted on 09/25/2009 11:43:51 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: South40

I think it is the terrain. If there are not many turns and just a long straight railroad then it should be fine. But going through the French country side with a lot of turns and that is what made it very uncomfortable for me. May be it is just me :)


16 posted on 09/25/2009 11:45:33 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
In the real world, its just cheaper to fly to San Francisco from Los Angeles. A high speed rail line to SF makes no financial sense whatsoever.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

17 posted on 09/25/2009 11:45:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
It will never get built. Its the White Elephant of high speed rail in America.

I would tend to agree. But the article says Kalifornia hopes to get some of the stimulous money and is making the claim the project would create jobs. It would, but how much would be spent to create each job?

18 posted on 09/25/2009 11:50:51 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: glorgau

But just think. Only half of it will be for union kickbacks, endless environmental studies, and the DNC coffers. I’m sure Pelosi’s family will have a cut of the action as well. But at least some of the money might end up being used to actually build something.


19 posted on 09/25/2009 11:56:01 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: glorgau

But just think. Only half of it will be for union kickbacks, endless environmental studies, and the DNC coffers. I’m sure Pelosi’s family will have a cut of the action as well. But at least some of the money might end up being used to actually build something.


20 posted on 09/25/2009 11:56:08 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: goldstategop

San Diego is looking for a location for a new airport. Because of the NIMBYs the number one spot considered is Boulevard, 60 miles east in the desert. To make that location more acceptable they peoposed high speed rail to get people to and from that far-off location. The idea was not well received by the enviro-wackos and that was only for 60 miles. They’d never approve 800.


21 posted on 09/25/2009 11:58:54 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: South40

Monorail!!!



22 posted on 09/26/2009 12:05:32 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

23 posted on 09/26/2009 12:09:24 AM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: South40

24 posted on 09/26/2009 12:14:28 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: South40
From POLITICO 2-17-09:

OBAMA PLOTS HUGE RAIL EXPANSION

. . .The $787.2 billion economic recovery bill. . .dedicates $8 billion to high-speed rail. . .added in the final closed-door bargaining at the instigation of White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18924.html

All this was a done deal last year.

25 posted on 09/26/2009 12:15:18 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: South40

how about calli ask for water in the valley


26 posted on 09/26/2009 12:43:14 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: South40

Funding from a Federal Government who can’t run Amtrak to the county that had the largest financial implosion of any government in US history! Gee, I feel better already!


27 posted on 09/26/2009 12:59:29 AM PDT by UAConservative (1,212 Days until some Change I Can Really Believe In--January 20, 2013)
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To: dalebert
And kill the smelt?!

Kalifornia's failed leadrship has a warped sense of priority with their #1 goal being staying in power. Farmers are way down the list if they're even on it at all.

28 posted on 09/26/2009 1:08:20 AM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: South40

I live in California. Please don’t give us the money for this boon doggle. This is a waste of money.


29 posted on 09/26/2009 1:12:08 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: South40

Good gawdamighty. California is crumbling, and these people want $40 billion dollars of (other) US taxpayers’ money for a high speed rail network?

And just what on earth will this do to improve anything in California? What value will such a huge undertaking give back to the American taxpayers who fund it?

Pure insanity...


30 posted on 09/26/2009 2:02:06 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
What value will such a huge undertaking give back to the American taxpayers who fund it?

What value did the grandaddy of pork, Boston's "Big Dig" give back to the American taxpayers who funded it to the tune of $13 billion?

Such considerations, while important to sane Americans, have little effect on the pork-loving liberal yahoos in congress and the White House who believe it is their god-given right to squander our money.


31 posted on 09/26/2009 3:09:43 AM PDT by South40 (Islam has a long tradition of tolerance, ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: South40

Another place for fagous to shlag each other.


32 posted on 09/26/2009 3:22:07 AM PDT by Leisler (It's going to be a hard, long winter)
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To: South40

Mass transit tends to attract bums, gangbangers, socialist mayors and hairy, fat men wearing pink tu-tus and Charles Manson tatoos. I’d rather walk, thank you.


33 posted on 09/26/2009 3:56:28 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: jveritas

Take the train in Ukraine from Kiev to Sevastopol. Ukrainian National Railways do a very good job. Of course Ukraine is generally so flat, you won’t see many turns at all.


34 posted on 09/26/2009 4:11:56 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

If enough people Wanted Trains to make them a Money Maker, Private Industry would have built them already.

When Govt has to subsidize it, Whatever it is, the people have already said No.


35 posted on 09/26/2009 4:18:14 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: South40
Strange times for liberalville to be begging from US, dollars to build rails with trains.
36 posted on 09/26/2009 4:20:57 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Taxed Enough Already.

If high speed transportation is such a great idea; I'd have to ask, why aren't private investors rushing to put up the money?

37 posted on 09/26/2009 4:42:49 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: dearolddad
I'd have to ask, why aren't private investors rushing to put up the money?

That question needs to be asked louder!

38 posted on 09/26/2009 5:50:06 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Sarajevo

High speed trains in France are increasingly being delayed by wild boars on the tracks. Yes. The drivers are afraid that hitting a boar will derail the train! It seems that the wild boar population increased rapidly in the 90s and boar-proof trains hadn’t been factored into the design.
High speed trains in Europe are expensive, but they’re really practical. You don’t need them in the States though.


39 posted on 09/26/2009 7:51:10 AM PDT by paristwelve (Feeling sorry for things is just an excuse for not celebrating your own happiness.)
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To: paristwelve

They will make run from West Hollywood to SF and call it “The AIDS Express”.


40 posted on 09/26/2009 8:29:55 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: paristwelve
High speed trains in Europe are expensive, but they’re really practical. You don’t need them in the States though.

Agreed. I've used ther train system in Europe when I was stationed there. It works due to the congestion. I couldn't see driving the distance to a train station in the US through.

41 posted on 09/27/2009 11:10:40 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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