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Horowitz vs Frum: Heís Wrong About Glenn Beck and Apparently Canít Handle My Side of the Debate
David Horowitz's NewsReal Blog ^ | September 26, 2009 | David Horowitz

Posted on 09/26/2009 11:08:16 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative

frum_david For reasons best known to himself, David Frum has decided to suppress my side of the debate on his website. Thus my reply to his latest post (which follows below) doesn't appear on his website.

I agree with you David that this dialogue is getting more focused, and I find it much more pleasurable (and hopefully informative) as a result.

There are two issues here. One is a remarkable conservative outburst against the broadcaster Glenn Beck which includes you, Mark Levin and Pete Wehner among others, and which collectively wishes for his early self-destruction. The message from the three of you is that for the good of the conservative cause he should be silent -- and the sooner the better. Wehner expresses the judgment I detect in all three of your blasts in this sentence: “The role Glenn Beck is playing is harmful in its totality.” (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/100152) More than anything else, it is this that I am reacting to. I think this attitude is wrongheaded, absurd, destructive to the conservative cause and a blatant contradiction of the “big tent” philosophy which you otherwise support.

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To: Bahbah

What would have been the first move of his administration is well known—Sarah Palin sworn in as VP; anyone who thinks that wouldn’t be the herald of a much different Washington than the one we have now is just being nihilistic.


51 posted on 09/26/2009 12:55:38 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: HorowitzianConservative

I heard Beck trashing the whole republican party for 15 min on his show the other day. That is ridiculous and a slap to the conservatives that are working hard to take the party back from the elitist. Beck is constantly attaching every positive movement to himself. I see him as a self promoter. How about giving credit to Andrew Breitbart for the Acorn uncovering?

As for the 912 rally. He quickly adopted it as his own also. Funny, I once heard him say he would not attend as he was fearful someone would do or say something silly and he would be attached to it. I was there along with my wife. I can attribute it to Mark Levin for motivating me to get involved. Levin has convictions and foresight, Beck seems to wonder in this or that direction from day to day. Also, I see no mention in the posts above of all the hard work Mark’s Landmark Legal Foundation has done for our cause over the many years.


52 posted on 09/26/2009 1:07:50 PM PDT by Naplm
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To: freekitty

I’ve figured out Levin’s attacks on Glenn. He’s really, really, upset that obama won (stole) this election and how our freedoms are being taken away on a daily basis by this administration.

And, Glenn has used quotes from Mark’s book without giving him proper credit. This amounts to plagarism, and Mark hasn’t sued - which he could easily do.

Mark openly thanked Glenn one night on his show for mentioning his book, and has openly blasted McCain on the air for some of the stupid things he’s said and done.

Since Sean and Mark are good friends, I’m assuming Hannity knows a little more about what goes on behind the scenes than most of us do.

I like and listen to all of them, and refuse to take sides. To do so, would put me in the category of following a personality, and I refuse to become like the obamabots.

Sean does have a tendency to repeat things too much, but, for those who haven’t heard these things, it hammers the point home. Sean did some great work before the election on obama’s past. To be honest, I actually hate the “Great American Panel.” I wish he’d do away with this segment of his show. It reminds me of the women on “The View.” Everyone talking over the others. It’s totally annoying. But, I do watch his program and like Sean.

Beck has to be the crazy one - it’s his niche, but, he has some good programs as well. I don’t like his radio program, so I don’t listen to it very often.


53 posted on 09/26/2009 1:08:26 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: HorowitzianConservative
One is a remarkable conservative outburst against the broadcaster Glenn Beck which includes you, Mark Levin and Pete Wehner among others..."

Why is Frum thought of as being a conservative?

54 posted on 09/26/2009 1:08:29 PM PDT by GBA
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Frum is a lost cause, and is no conservative. WHen he is not talking about the big tent, he is reading conservatives out of the party.

Levin and Hannity, however should remember the great Reagan quotation:
"There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit."
55 posted on 09/26/2009 1:11:07 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: gusopol3
Sarah and Carrie...





































56 posted on 09/26/2009 1:12:38 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Catsrus

exactly, Beck has had a good run for 3 months on mostly the content of Mark’s book. I listen to both and I know exactly why Mark is pi**ed. Beck has not so much as acknowledged Mark’s existence, except once heard him say about Mark’s book. “I’ve heard good things about it”. I’m sure Levin was spitting fire, knowing the the content of Becks shows come from chapters of his book. His plagiarism of Levin has really turned me off to him.


57 posted on 09/26/2009 1:15:36 PM PDT by Naplm
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To: gusopol3

The VP has just as much power as a president is willing to allow.

I was very worried that Governor Palin would be harmed by the connection to a McCain administration.

That said, I was able to cast my vote by focusing on the Palin portion of the ballot.


58 posted on 09/26/2009 1:24:04 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Naplm

Like David Horiwitz has said. Levin is just being worse than a liberal. David has never accussed Levin of stealing his ideas which has done, but has been supportive in his cause. Levin on the other seeks destroy the most effective conservative messenger since Rush.

And more to the point, Beck’s ideas are totally different from Levin’s.

Are you saying that Levin feels that both parties are corrupt? Beck has made that case. Levin has not.

Are you saying that Levin discussed Acorn in his books? He has not. Beck has discussed this at length in his books and his shows.

Levin, is just green eyed jealous. The only thing I have seen similar is sometimes they have used similar jokes. Beck mentioned invited the Iranians to 4th July parties with Hebrew National hot dogs. Levin made the same joke. Is that stealing?

Well, Rush Limbaugh made that joke too. So is Levin stealing from Rush?

Levin’s argument is crap and he has permeneantly damages his reputation. I am glad that Beck has permeantly pushed him and his 9PM’er friend down the totem. It’s Rush number 1 and Beck number 2!!!!


59 posted on 09/26/2009 1:45:14 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: ml/nj
Radical Son, especially, has turned several people I know away from the dark side.

A great book. Reading Radical Son should be a requirement for membership in Free Republic. It is that good. Great insight into the liberal mind from a great conservative.

60 posted on 09/26/2009 1:50:23 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: HorowitzianConservative
I have always listened to Horowitz because he has an unerring sense of tactical politics from his years in the radical Left. I get his points about the importance of what Beck is doing, but....to say that Obama is preferable to McCain is just plain nuts. It smacks of the Bill O'Reilly "I'm not a partisan, I'm a man of the PEOPLE" self-promotional school of punditry. I have to side with Levin on this one.

Undeniably true analysis with Horowitz's usual laser-beam ability to get to the heart of an issue:

The battle to stop Obama from ramming through a socialist health care system is one that Sarah Palin is leading. That’s the fact. If you don’t want Obama care, she’s the most potent force standing in its way. Do I think that government rationing of health care leads to the equivalent of “death panels?” Of course they do. And calling them that – even though at this stage they’re more of a goal than a reality – was brilliant politics. The Republican Party needs more of this not less.

61 posted on 09/26/2009 1:51:07 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: autumnraine
It's a matter of style, not content.

Hannity knows very well that Beck's rhetorical style, right down to hand signals, is classic BISHOP SHEEN.

For those of you who have probably forgotten who he was, here he is in several of his most typical poses ~ just like the ones Glenn Beck uses:

So, what is it Hannity doesn't like about Roman Catholic Bishops? I could not begin to answer that ~ having to have worked in America's second most Catholic institution (next to the Catholic Church itself), the Postal Service for 38 years, I have heard so many things ~ terrible things ~ from Catholics. So many have their pick of undesirable characteristics to point to, so there we have it. (BTW, I watched Sheen as a kid, thought he was great, and I regularly catch reruns with the in-laws who are Catholic ~ and even with those who are Baptist, or Buddhist)

The Jewish guys in the crowd frequently have a visceral dislike of RC imagery, and Fur Shur, those bishops do have a bit of it, and even without a bishop's robes, Glenn can make you think he's wearing something on top of his suit.

I can only imagine Horowitz does not suffer from that "learned at home" dislike of RC bishops because, alas, his folks were Commies and they had a lot more hatreds than of mere RC apparatchiks! Not so with the other guys ~ they should look within their own hearts to see if this is so ~ I can't speak for them of course ~ but I suspect (based on other encounters of a similar kind) that it is so to one degree or the other.

Glenn probably ought to tone down his style a tad to make our own quasirino Conservative wing more comfortable ~ if he really wants to do that.

Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. Just so long as its more disturbing to the Leftwingtards I say to all these guys that the proud man counts his newspaper clippings, the humble man his blessings, so thank God they don't pay me for this stuff.

62 posted on 09/26/2009 1:59:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Catsrus

I had no idea Beck had used Levins qutoes. I like all but Bill O’Reilly.

You give credit where credit is due.


63 posted on 09/26/2009 2:07:07 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Cicero
The difference between Obama and McCain are quite simple ~ Obama is a face man, an employee of a cabal of politicians and multibillionaires out to steal America ~ all he has to do is sound good. They tell him what to say.

McCain is bright enough to foment an intention on his own ~ and his first order of business, as always, would be to crush the First Amendment.

Obama's people (his bosses) don't care one way or the other ~ they seek raw power.

Imputing motive to Obama is always going to be wrong ~ he's just not up to it.

64 posted on 09/26/2009 2:07:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: M203M4
Hannity has never given me that impression, and Fur Shur, if those were his intentions I would have picked up on it long ago.

Now, put down the hard likker ~ it's Saturday afternoon, plenty of college football to watch, and get that anxiety out of your system.

65 posted on 09/26/2009 2:09:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Nice return to an old Freeper tradition. You might like mine that appears a bit after yours.


66 posted on 09/26/2009 2:14:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bigbob
The reasons are well known to everyone: Frum is a gonadless weasel

I think the goal of many supposed "conservatives" is to maintain the PRETENSE that there is opposition to Socialism, while being very careful to never actually rock the boat. By doing so, they can continue to get invited to the "best" dinner parties.

67 posted on 09/26/2009 2:26:00 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Sherman Logan

you’re right that Horowitz never stuck a chord with the genreal public — too intellectual, to brainy, too old, voice at wrong opirtch (not for me, for them).

Beck is a natural populist and DH must realize this.


68 posted on 09/26/2009 2:33:49 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: M203M4

“Hannity . . . has a list of a half-dozen countries for America to invade”

Where in the world are there problems?

Most of those problems involve Islam.

Islam is the Problem.


69 posted on 09/26/2009 2:36:41 PM PDT by SwedeBoy2
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To: HorowitzianConservative

I will side with Beck, hands down. Hannity is a RINO.

That is why I don’t care for Hannity.


70 posted on 09/26/2009 2:41:10 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Sherman Logan

David is very intellectual. He is on our local radio every week. David likes Beck because Beck is very able to appeal and teach people about how the left works.

Cut the ego stuff folks. This whole thing is much bigger than talkradio.


71 posted on 09/26/2009 2:46:10 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

bump


72 posted on 09/26/2009 2:48:46 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Hardastarboard

Bingo, they all have a role, difference is Beck is willing to go out on a limb, far beyond the others. Perhaps that is because he isn’t a republican.


73 posted on 09/26/2009 2:53:32 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Sherman Logan
For whatever reason Horowitz has never struck a chord with the general public.

Horowitz and Thomas Sowell are two great conservative thinkers and writers who suffer from a similar affliction - they are poor interviews. To many ers, ahs, uhs between their insightful comments. It is almost painful to listen to them.

74 posted on 09/26/2009 3:25:54 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Rocky

My sentiments exactly!


75 posted on 09/26/2009 3:27:57 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Naplm

No one has stopped Mark from doing what Beck does. Mark cannot do what Beck does. Mark is abrasive to most, my husband likes his book but cannot listen to him.

Mark should jump on with Beck and take the limelight by being someone working for the cause rather than letting ego trump all.


76 posted on 09/26/2009 3:36:52 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I like to write stuff. An interview? No way!


77 posted on 09/26/2009 4:24:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HorowitzianConservative

This boils down to one thing, we all need someone to rally behind.

Right now these radio talkers, if they really are fighting (I have my doubts), will put it aside when someone pops up who needs all of their support.


78 posted on 09/26/2009 4:55:35 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Sherman Logan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2348369/posts?page=4#4


79 posted on 09/26/2009 6:40:42 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: muawiyah
I like to write stuff. An interview? No way!

Your first name is not David or Thomas is it?

:-)

80 posted on 09/26/2009 7:07:41 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

My friend is a no enemies to the right of us supporter of Glenn Beck. Tell me where he is wrong?


81 posted on 09/26/2009 8:02:03 PM PDT by LibertyVote
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To: Cicero

Hey, AP, how about throwing America a bone and reporting on Obama’s origins, associates and background?

Look here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13267412/The-Kenyan-Candidate-Obama-SetUp-Known-in-Moscow-in-1991-the-First-Time-I-Heard-of-Barack


82 posted on 09/27/2009 11:35:39 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Yes, I saw that when it first came out. I guess we have to keep pushing the BC issue and the Communist connections.


83 posted on 09/27/2009 11:47:50 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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