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Mark Levin's problem with Glenn Beck ( Beck is correct about mccain )
The Week ^ | September 25th

Posted on 09/26/2009 3:11:14 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

By saying that Republican John McCain would have been a worse president than Barack Obama............

(I have no use for the rest of this website's drivel. I just want the substance of what Beck said)

(Excerpt) Read more at theweek.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beck; glennbeck; levin; marklevin; presidentmccain; sniff; sniff3; talkradio; teaparty; thegreatone
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To: JLS

I don’t think he’s a sellout, but with his publisher being owned by CBS and his book coming out and Couric mentioning at the start and the end of the interview that probably explains much of why he went on. A little synergy, cross promotion, etc... At least I would think that’s how the idea started. I doubt Beck just decided on his own to go on the show or Kaite Couric decided I really want him on.

Clearly the book is a big deal for him and he’s hoping it does well. Couric’s new online show is also a big deal for her and CBS. Beck is the hottest media personality in the country at the moment. I doubt he went on just because he felt like it and wanted to be on. It was more like CBS had a big new project they were debuting, Beck had a big new book they were publishing and they wanted to help both of them. I don’t think it’s selling out. I doubt he got paid for going on the show, and given Couric’s audience I doubt many of them are going to buy his book anyway, so in the end I don’t think it amounts to much.

That said, CBS also owns Threshold Editions which published Mark Levin’s book and I don’t recall him going on the CBS Evening News(his sales don’t seem to have suffered for it) so I guess Beck did have some say in the matter. If he didn’t want to do it, he wouldn’t have.


251 posted on 09/26/2009 10:32:08 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25

What Beck has done is:

1. publish a second book on top of his Common Sense book. I was thinking he should have let his first book playout before rushing another into print. Common Sense is still among the new books in my book store. He is acting like he thinks this is his 15 minutes of fame and he better not miss his opportunity to cash in.

2. given Couric and CBS an audience for this new show.

3. cooperated with our political enemies that want a change to make him look bad.

4. allowed them to divide conservatives by trying to look controversial in that interview. There was not real reason to say what he said in that interview except it is all about him apparently.


252 posted on 09/26/2009 10:48:36 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; sneakers; SoCalPol; sofaman; sofas dad; soloNYer; sono; Sparko; Springman; ...
It really "pains" you to say this that "Mark Levin is wrong." Yeah, right. The "pain" you (Halfmanhalfamazing) feel must be from some preexisting illness or injury. I recommend you soon seek a medical diagnosis from the doctor you won't see soon under the Obamacare that John McCain would, as President, have never provided you. Perhaps what hurts you is memory of an old warrior, John McCain, who would not now be squandering America's best and bravest -- as Obama is squandering them while he looks both to lose in Iraq and the least painful (politically) exit from Afghanistan. (There's more; I'm just warming up.)
253 posted on 09/26/2009 10:57:33 PM PDT by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: HonestConservative

Mark needs to grow up. Mark should be honored his words are worthy of repeating. Did he write the book to be informative or only for selfish reasons?


254 posted on 09/26/2009 11:03:49 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Snurple; JohnD9207
No, the main difference is that Beck is having an effect as is evidenced by the unrelenting attacks on him from the left. Levin? The left could care less about him.

You couldn't be more wrong on that issue.

The left is scare spitless by Mark Levin.

You do realize he just sold 1 million copies of his most recent book "Liberty and Tyranny" right?

Do you also know the Lame Stream Media did not do one interview on his book?

Put 1 + 1 together and you come up with he is way too intelligent for them, way too correct, and he does not suffer fools gladly.

And you really are wrong about the "The left could care less about him."

His is continually getting slimed by so-called commentators, journalists, etc.
255 posted on 09/26/2009 11:08:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Ghengis; imahawk
Levin's audience is dwarfed by Beck's.

Levin's audience is 7 million.

How much is Beck pulling in?
256 posted on 09/26/2009 11:10:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Snurple; devane617
What a simple minded post.

Except he's right, even if you think it is a simple-minded post.
257 posted on 09/26/2009 11:12:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: JLS

can’t really disagree with that.


258 posted on 09/26/2009 11:12:47 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Snurple; HonestConservative
Then it all was about Levins ego. I agree with you completely

No, it was about Beck actually doing the right thing on this issue, which as of this moment, he hasn't it.

How you came up with the Ego thing after having it explained to you so clearly goes a long way to discrediting your opinion.
259 posted on 09/26/2009 11:16:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: jeltz25

And I am not trying to say that I would control myself any better than Beck is doing in the same situation. All of these guys, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Savage, Ingram, Coulter etc have egos.

None of them should be followed like a “Dear Leader” any more than Obama should be.


260 posted on 09/26/2009 11:17:10 PM PDT by JLS
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To: lewislynn; HonestConservative
Mark needs to grow up. Mark should be honored his words are worthy of repeating. Did he write the book to be informative or only for selfish reasons?

Maybe so, but Beck needs to be a man and do the right thing and give attribution where it is deserved.

Beck is being just as petty as Mark.
261 posted on 09/26/2009 11:18:08 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: JLS; Halfmanhalfamazing
BTW, the tea party protester etc would all still exist. The potential of the American public has always been there. The American public arises when needed. Had McCain been elected, the potential would have still been there. Beck might not have been as famous. You might not have met your latest boy/girl friend at a tea party protest, but that is individual interest not interst of the US.

You could not be more wrong in that statement.

Obama and his actions (as effectively detailed by Rush, Levin, Beck et all), not just Reid and Pelosi, was the real reason the Tea Party movement started. It never would have with McCain.

Furthermore, you most certainly would have had #5 since McCain even had a Bill that attempted to start this whole nonsense off before 2008 and he has repeatedly stated that the "Science is settled" and that he is in support of the Cap and Trade.

And finally, the one thing you did not mention is that McCain would have pushed through Amnesty effectively destroying the GOP for years as he would have driven off and de-moralized the base completely.


262 posted on 09/26/2009 11:26:12 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

You are missing the point. The tea party spirit of Americans has always been there. Sure the Dims brought it out, but whether it is brought out or not it is still there. This is a conservative country. Remember we do not have to fool them to win like the Dims.

As I said, I could care less if the tea parties were not scheduled this year if they were not needed. But if you met your new girl friend or boy friend at them, I understand you personal stake in them meeting this year. But that does not change the character of the American people. If provoked, they will rise to the ocassion.


263 posted on 09/26/2009 11:36:23 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“Anyways, In the *FULL* commentary, Beck has said that if McCain were president, the tea party movement wouldn’t have happened or wouldn’t have been as large.”

I disagree.

Obama as President has been bad for America but good for the GOP.

McCain as President has been bad for GOP but better for the country. Not as radical and there STILL would be pushback on his plans from real conservatives.


264 posted on 09/26/2009 11:42:08 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Terpfen

“It’s also a little silly to say that Levin’s “realm” is irrelevant: have you read Men in Black and/or Liberty and Tyranny at all?”

Only a #1 best seller ... Irrelevent???


265 posted on 09/26/2009 11:43:23 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: RAO1125

“Let Levin and his boytoy Vannity repeat the same cliched phrases all day long, the rest of us have principals to uphold.”

You sound like a sophomore in college trying to upstage a professor.

What an a**-clown thing to say.


266 posted on 09/26/2009 11:46:08 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: RAO1125
People will start to tune out Mark Levin like they tuned out Mike Savage for the very reason that both are attacking our own instead of building on eachother's strengths.
I know Glenn Beck would be willing to go on a show and have a truce with Mark Levin, but, would Mark Levin be willing to go on a show and have a truce with Glenn ?
Cut the crap out Mark, look at the big picture.
267 posted on 09/27/2009 12:47:46 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I must admit that because Obama is now (illegally) holding the office of President the underbelly of the liberal, leftist, commie beast has been exposed. If McCain had been President would the general population have listened to or realized the leftist mechanisms such as ACORN, and the poison of the self serving, leftist Congresspeople selling out America to fill there pockets, build up their power and promote their poison ideology? The hypocrisy of the liberal leftist MSM's complete sellout to the truth would not have been as apparent.

What Beck is saying is that it is due time that all these things be exposed and dealt with. If they had continued to fester beneath the surface for any longer without being excised we may have eventual been in even deeper trouble than we are today because of Obama and so called community organizing. Hopefully this terrible Alinsky inspired, commie beast can still be slayed since Americans are becoming much more aware of it's presence and danger.

The left in this country is like a terrible life threatening cancer. It must be exposed and confronted soon enough if we are to survive.

The most important thing still that any American can do is to repent of personal sin and cry out for the mercy and power of Almighty God to turn the crimson tide of wickedness in this country, for without the LORD's forgiveness and grace we are undone. Hopefully it is not too late. It is possible that their is still time if we all do what we must for the sake of righteousness.

268 posted on 09/27/2009 12:50:48 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: runninglips

Yeah, same here. For some reason they play the last two hours first then the first hour. Savage reminds me of an old Jewish guy I used to play Chess with at a greasy spoon in town.


269 posted on 09/27/2009 1:35:15 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Revolution's are for Marxists. We need a Constitutional Restoration)
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To: WOSG

Truth hurts, huh? If you want to have fun, play a drinking game with Vannity and Levin. Every time they repeat the same catch phrase/mantra, take a shot. Odds are you won’t make it to the third hour.


270 posted on 09/27/2009 1:36:10 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Revolution's are for Marxists. We need a Constitutional Restoration)
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To: SoConPubbie
Levin's audience is 7 million.
How much is Beck pulling in?

According to Talkers Magazine, Glenn Beck radio show pulls in 9+ million to Levin's 6.25+ million. Add Beck's 3+ million on TV (which is unprecedented in cable news)and his audience does dwarf Levin's.

271 posted on 09/27/2009 1:37:33 AM PDT by Ghengis
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To: RAO1125

darn good analogy. I think it fits.


272 posted on 09/27/2009 1:45:21 AM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I really hate the on air volleys between these two as I admire and respect them both - but here goes...

Beck is right that McCain would be worse than Obama in that McCain would push for many of the social policies and big government expansion that Obama has but McCain would have had the trust of a great number of GOP sheeple - this of course would assure passage of these policies in the house and senate.

My man Mark is right in that they are both statists and would take us down the path of Marxism at the speed of light.

All that said, I think the two should knock off the BS and hammer the statists on those things they DO agree on.

/rant

PS\
Frum is an idiot.


273 posted on 09/27/2009 4:39:34 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: GoldStandard

I would say that Levin’s logic and skills are perhaps better suited for the written word than the spoken (radio) word. That’s why his book has been #1 forever it seems without ever getting a review by any MSM outlet.

Beck connects with his TV and radio gigs — I worry that it may be tough to sustain the level of popularity because it’s come on like a comet.


274 posted on 09/27/2009 5:20:34 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: Terpfen

I agree...Watching two notable media types go after each other in a difference of opinion is good for everyone, they have insights that some of us do not have, and probably will never develop...But that is beside the point...

What is funny about FR is that we all tend to get into these circular firing squads, yet only a few of us have real bullets, the rest seem to only have blanks...And that kinda changes (with those in those groups) in that regard depending on the issue...

I feel I rarely have real bullets to fire, yet I know I shoot blanks some of the time...

That really sounds horrible doesn’t it??? hehehe


275 posted on 09/27/2009 5:41:49 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: stevie_d_64; All

My 2 cents. Beck should not have said what he did to a cute little bolshevic like Couric. He made a mistake, pure and simple. I posted before the show” Why is Beck going on a show run by an enemy of conservatism?”

Beck and Levin both have their place. They should keep their opinions of each other to themselves. The worst offender is Savage.


276 posted on 09/27/2009 6:31:05 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: SoConPubbie
So, you believe this comment is true?

"Beck is literally knocking on Rush’s door in terms of importance."

277 posted on 09/27/2009 8:12:19 AM PDT by devane617 (Free HOLLY101 -- After all, she is right.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Worse, Mark didn’t do the crime, he put in the time and the work!


278 posted on 09/27/2009 9:03:20 AM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: Three if by government

Ah, no problem. We’ll get hitched in Mark’s bunker.


279 posted on 09/27/2009 9:11:35 AM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: GoldStandard

You don’t know Levin at all if that’s what you think.


280 posted on 09/27/2009 10:25:21 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (mail check payable to: Joe Wilson for Congress POB 2145 West Columbia, SC 29171)
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To: KarenMarie

mrkd


281 posted on 09/27/2009 10:26:32 AM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: netmilsmom

My thoughts exactly!!
And Mark has given Beck props for his dogged coverage of Van Jones and such issues.
What Mark objects to is when Beck reads from Mark’s book and doesn’t give any attribution. Mark is tough but fair.


282 posted on 09/27/2009 10:28:21 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (mail check payable to: Joe Wilson for Congress POB 2145 West Columbia, SC 29171)
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To: EnquiringMind

You’re thinking of HARVEY LEVIN. Not Mark Levin.
Facts are stubborn things.


283 posted on 09/27/2009 10:32:09 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (mail check payable to: Joe Wilson for Congress POB 2145 West Columbia, SC 29171)
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To: SoConPubbie
You are talking radio? where is Levin on this list?...

http://talkers.com/online/?p=71

According to this Beck is #3 behind Rush and Sean and Levin is tied in 4th place with Ingraham and Savage.

284 posted on 09/27/2009 10:34:51 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: SoConPubbie

Correction, BEck is tied in #3 with Dr. Laura and Savage and Mark is tied in 4th with Ramsey and Ingraham.


285 posted on 09/27/2009 10:36:00 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: SoCalPol

Knowing Mark’s credentials is crucial to understanding why the Left avoids him like the plague. They simply can not outdebate him on the merits, and his legal and litigation background gives him the upper hand in the discussion of ideas.

They can’t debunk his thinking as that of someone with unimpressive credentials, and they won’t embarass him in a heated or pointed situation, as HAS occurred with both Michelle Bachman and Ms. Palin (unfortunately for both). They both need to get closer to Mark’s speed to beat the Left.

He has also come right out and challenged certain people to come on his show, and has also promised to sue any entity who wants to come after him in a court of law.

But I still wish he’d lay the 5PMer, and understand that EVERYONE who opposes the obamanation has a common enemy which must be fought and beaten.


286 posted on 09/27/2009 10:37:41 AM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Except BEck is not hammering Mark.. I never hear him mention Mark or Hannity.. Mark OTOH has been going after Frum (who I cannot stand) to Beck and he needs to cut it out.


287 posted on 09/27/2009 10:39:20 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Beck never talks about any of those guys.... this is all one-sided started when a liberal tried to compare Beck to Rush and Levin jumped in to say Beck wasn’t worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as Rush — and the Media jumped all over that as a GOP catfight and then Levin kept it up after Glenn made his comments on McCain...and, yes this is why I don’t listen to Mark anymore and why I quit listening to Savage.. (who also loves to trash other commentators)... I think Mark needs to cool it.


288 posted on 09/27/2009 10:41:44 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Fudd Fan

Several of us asked for specific examples from the Beck show last night.. if Beck has done this most of us regular viewers who have read Mark’s book have missed it... so please, we are all serious give us links to specifics.


289 posted on 09/27/2009 10:43:10 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Fudd Fan
Facts are stubborn things

LOL, yep, they sure are.

No, I am not thinking of Harvey Levin. Look it up.

290 posted on 09/27/2009 10:45:05 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Fudd Fan

>>What Mark objects to is when Beck reads from Mark’s book and doesn’t give any attribution.<<

From what I can see, no one has been able to give an example of “reading” from Mark’s book.
If it’s just that Beck has quoted from Mark’s sources i.e. gave the same info on Cass Sunstein that Mark did, it’s not really from the book.

If, however, Beck lifted the commentary Mark gave regarding that info, that is stealing and not right.


291 posted on 09/27/2009 11:20:39 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Arizona Carolyn; netmilsmom; Fudd Fan

So basically Mark himself is not a credible source? Can’t recognize a paragraph from his own book? Don’t believe us when we cite other occasions Beck has used Mark’s original sayings, gags, slogans etc after Mark plays clips of Beck repeating them on his show? So Mark lies, we lie, we all just hate Glenn for some unknown reason? Just because you haven’t something doesn’t make it untrue.

Here’s Mark about the paragraph.

http://marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930# Listen to the 8/25 show about 7 minutes in after he talks about Liebowitz and Maher.


292 posted on 09/27/2009 1:13:42 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (YOU LIE! Palin/Cheney 2012)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I believe we all have egos that need stroking, and to take pokes at others who compete to get the attention of the rest of us is probably not much of a stretch...

They are in the limelight...Most of us are not, so we’ll see it more in their arena, than ours...

At least they’ll get the attention, whereas, we’ll just take it to the mat in other ways that won’t get a lot of attention...


293 posted on 09/27/2009 1:33:55 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: Ghengis

Thanks, Ghengis, I appreciate that.

Conservatives alone cannot outnumber everyone else. But citizens who are *for America* can outnumber the anti-Americans. And decisively, too.

This terrifies the hard left, and the Administration. They know it, and they’re pulling out every card they can to keep it from happening.

THAT is the big picture.


294 posted on 09/27/2009 1:49:48 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. And NEVER GIVE UP!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Um, excuse me but where did I say that Mark lied?
And if you think that I’m going through three hours from his show to prove you right, You’re mistaken.

How about if you give the exact quote that Beck used and the date of HIS show?

Like I said, I would need to hear Mark say exactly WHAT Beck said then judge for myself. Until you can give a quote of exactly what Beck said and then where it is in Mark’s book, you have hearsay and nothing else. You GIVE it, not me searching for it for three hours. I have a life, a husband and kids. I have no need to go through that much work for an imaginary friend on the radio.

Personally, I think the whole situation is DELIGHTING the libs. Beck needs to own up if he did it, Levin needs to man up and slap a cease and desist order on Beck or drop it. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.


295 posted on 09/27/2009 2:36:38 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

If you bothered reading what I wrote, which you apparently didn’t, it’s after the
7 minute mark. You just move the tab to 7 minutes and presto. Pretty easy.


296 posted on 09/27/2009 2:57:03 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (YOU LIE! Palin/Cheney 2012)
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To: netmilsmom

If you bothered reading what I wrote, which you apparently didn’t, it’s after the
7 minute mark. You just move the tab to 7 minutes and presto. Pretty easy.


297 posted on 09/27/2009 2:57:03 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (YOU LIE! Palin/Cheney 2012)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I listened to it. Mark Levin is saying that Glenn read a whole paragraph from his book on air.

Really? It must have been a real short paragraph. Have you seen Glenn’s attention span?

Does Glenn come up with original material? Yes he does so all the time. Is it possible that he could have read a paragraph of Levin’s work. It is possible, but I don’t see it. Is Glenn ripping of Levin when he boils a frog? Huh? Is he ripping of Levin if he talks about Acorn or Cass Sustein? No.

Is Glenn laying out the wonderful prose and logic of Levin and not crediting Levin? Ah, no, Glenn doesn’t do prose like Levin. Glen is goofy remember!? I don’t see how it is possible. Levin must be jealous and overly sensitive to something we are not aware.

But Levin, could make it easy to end the speculation and man up and tell us the specific. It is actually an act of lying and deception to lead people with half of the story, because it allows one’s imagination to fill in gaps.

Man up, Levin, tell the whole story and not just the part that makes you look good!


298 posted on 09/27/2009 3:16:10 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I like both Levin and Beck.

And I really don't even hate McCain.

299 posted on 09/27/2009 3:19:06 PM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: nowandlater
Yeah, Mark is just an unmanly liar, as am I, as aere everyone who listens to him.

We're jealous of Beck's success. You caught us.

300 posted on 09/27/2009 3:26:30 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (YOU LIE! Palin/Cheney 2012)
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