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The Verdict on Honduras
National Review ^ | September 28, 2009 | Otto Reich

Posted on 09/28/2009 2:32:40 PM PDT by La Lydia

The Law Library of the Congress of the United States has issued an opinion on the removal of Manuel Zelaya as president of Honduras. The conclusion: Zelaya’s removal was legal but his deportation from the country was not. Here is the summary:

The Supreme Court of Honduras has constitutional and statutory authority to hear cases against the President of the Republic and many other high officers of the State, to adjudicate and enforce judgments, and to request the assistance of the public forces to enforce its rulings. The Constitution no longer authorizes impeachment, but gives Congress the power to disapprove of the conduct of the President, to conduct special investigations on issues of national interest, and to interpret the Constitution. In the case against President Zelaya, the National Congress interpreted the power to disapprove of the conduct of the President to encompass the power to remove him from office, based on the results of a special, extensive investigation. The Constitution prohibits the expatriation of Honduran citizens.

My thoughts: The...opinion may be inconvenient to Zelaya supporters, but it is based on facts. For the Obama administration to insist otherwise is inexplicable. Zelaya, a corrupt and feckless autocrat who was allied with...self-professed enemies of the United States, was lawfully removed from office by a unanimous decision of the Honduran supreme court. The U.S. had nothing to do with (it) and it should do nothing to force his return. Rather, we should rejoice that one of the self-proclaimed “21st-century socialist” allies of Chávez has been legally deposed by his own countrymen. We should not collaborate with some of the most anti-American governments in the region... to thwart the Honduran constitution and force the restoration of a would-be dictator....

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chavez; communists; marxists; statedepartment; statedept; zelaya
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Otto Reich is who everyone should be listening to and accepting advice from: he was Bush's Special Envoy for the Western Hemisphere; Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs; and United States Ambassador to Venezuela. Chavez hates his guts.
1 posted on 09/28/2009 2:32:40 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

FYI

Link to the Library of Congress report.

http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/2009-002965HNRPT.pdf


2 posted on 09/28/2009 2:37:53 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: La Lydia

Removing him from office was legal. Exiling him probably was not. He ought to have had his day in court.

He can still have it. All he has to do is step outside the embassy. Its easy. Open the door. Walk outside.


3 posted on 09/28/2009 2:39:49 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Yes, I have thought about the idea that they may have done better by putting him in jail and delaying his trial until after the election. Not that being in jail would be much different from where he is today. But jail would have had a “heavy-heavy-hangs-over-your-head” effect.


4 posted on 09/28/2009 2:43:46 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
he was Bush's Special Envoy for the Western Hemisphere; Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs; and United States Ambassador to Venezuela. Chavez hates his guts.

And he is in opposition to Obama, Hence, he is a racist.

5 posted on 09/28/2009 2:44:56 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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I am not sure if he can be a racist or not, because he is Cuban. According to an earlier post on this forum, our guy at the OAS might be beginning to see the light. See

U.S. blasts ousted Honduran (Zelaya) for "foolish" return

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2350140/posts

6 posted on 09/28/2009 2:48:58 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: don-o; HonCitizen; stephenjohnbanker; NorwegianViking

ping


7 posted on 09/28/2009 2:50:02 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
The US should immediately acknowledge the interim government of Honduras, and support the republic via real or assumed influence to defuse the potential of violence and unrest and potential loss of freedom in this strong little country.

Civil war will result in anarchy and anarchy will result in a leftist rule imposed on the otherwise freedom loving Hondurans. So much for democracy (representative republic) in Central America, at least as far as Honduras is concerned.

Certainly anyone with a heart for liberty and rule of law wants peace and stability, but the ouster of a up and coming dictator was, is and will always be legitimate under Honduran law and constitutional process; certainly the Honduran interim government should have arrested and jailed Zeyala prior to giving him a fair trail in front of a jury of peers rather than tossing him to like-minded leftist poseurs.

I said as much back in July.

The sad thing is many of our elected officials are condemning every aspect of the removal of Zeyala-up to and including categorizing the events as a “military coup”. Very few have condemned the actions of Zeyala....

God Bless freedom loving peoples everywhere!

8 posted on 09/28/2009 2:52:23 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: La Lydia
they may have done better by putting him in jail and delaying his trial until after the election

But its a mistake easily rectified, by him. If he wants his day in court he can have it.

But I don't think thats what he wants; he's going the route of allying yourself with a foreign power.

They should force the closure of the embassy and the departure of the embassy staff. He can either go with them or surrender.

9 posted on 09/28/2009 2:55:08 PM PDT by marron
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To: La Lydia

The left thinks if you are Cuban, white, and a conservative then you also would be a racist. Come on, get with the program here. :-) LOL


10 posted on 09/28/2009 2:56:47 PM PDT by David1 (.)
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To: La Lydia
I am not sure if he can be a racist or not, because he is Cuban.

This is the post-racial era. Everyone is equal now. No matter what your skin color is if you oppose 0bama in any way you are a racist.

11 posted on 09/28/2009 2:58:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye

Sorry. (shrug) I forgot.


12 posted on 09/28/2009 2:59:37 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

It’s easy to do. You were applying reason to the situation. Reason is anti-0bama and therefore racist. Stop trying to find a rational basis to 0bama’s policies or you will be sent to a camp and cured of your racism.


13 posted on 09/28/2009 3:03:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: La Lydia
removal was legal but his deportation from the country was not.

Of course hs deporation was not. However, Honduras probably felt it was better for all if he were expelled instead of staying and fomenting a street revolution.

They'd deal with the legalities of it later, but at least they kept the peace.

-PJ

14 posted on 09/28/2009 3:04:14 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Comprehensive congressional reform legislation only yields incomprehensible bills that nobody reads.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

At the time it all was happening, I was under the impression that their options were 1) send him out of the country or 2) an unfortunate household accident in which he perished. I think they thought, at the time, those were their options, too. All that said, I think they were exceeding clever to avoid having his blood on their hands. I also believe that Micheletti and his allies in the government are principled, decent, law abiding Hondurans who respect and appreciate the precarious Rule of Law in their country. They have had to make some difficult decisions in the face of intimidation and opposition. That so few — if any — have died in all this is a testimony to their political skill as well as their decency. They have kept their heads while all around them were losing theirs, including OUR State Department.


15 posted on 09/28/2009 3:11:08 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
Get with the program, you wild woman.

;^)

16 posted on 09/28/2009 3:11:58 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: HonCitizen; Girlene; livius; stephenjohnbanker; Son House; ABQHispConservative; Lexinom; okie01; ...

ping

Freepmail me to be added to / removed from Honduras ping list. Please ping me to threads of interest.


17 posted on 09/28/2009 3:18:43 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal OM for Iraq.)
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To: La Lydia
I am not sure if he can be a racist or not, because he is Cuban.

Maybe he can't be a racist by virtue of being Cuban, but let us agree that he should have the right to be a racist, even if he can't be. Inclusiveness is very important in the new orthodoxy!

18 posted on 09/28/2009 3:22:53 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: La Lydia
I also believe that Micheletti and his allies in the government are principled, decent, law abiding Hondurans who respect and appreciate the precarious Rule of Law in their country. They have had to make some difficult decisions in the face of intimidation and opposition. That so few — if any — have died in all this is a testimony to their political skill as well as their decency. They have kept their heads while all around them were losing theirs

Well spoken. I agree right down the line.

19 posted on 09/28/2009 3:24:54 PM PDT by marron
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To: Political Junkie Too; All

” Of course hs deporation was not. However, Honduras probably felt it was better for all if he were expelled instead of staying and fomenting a street revolution.

They’d deal with the legalities of it later, but at least they kept the peace.”

This must be exactly what happened. The Honduran government was trying to avoid the bloodshed of innocent Hondurans.


20 posted on 09/28/2009 3:26:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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