... to #160, also check out Beckwith's latest comments:
Posted on 09/29/2009 8:55:59 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Was President Obama born out of wedlock in 1961?
The question has been rekindled by the publication this month of "Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage" by former Time magazine contributing editor Christopher Andersen.
Andersen has raised once again the question of whether Obama's parents were ever officially married, writing on page 25: "On February 21, 1961 – a Thursday – Barack Obama and Ann Dunham were reportedly married in a civil ceremony on the island of Maui, although there are no official records showing that a legal ceremony ever took place."
Dunham was a teenager, 18-years-old, when Barack Obama Jr. was born.
Andersen elaborated, "There were certainly no witnesses (to the alleged civil marriage ceremony) – no family members were present, and none of their friends at the university had the slightest inkling that they were even engaged."
Anderson further quoted Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii, a self-admitted friend of Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham in 1961, as saying that "nobody" was invited to the wedding ceremony.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I think he is the son of Davis and from his side gets his weight problem which he fought so hard, and continues to obsess about. If you put 75 lbs on the One, he would look like Davis a lot more.
Oh I see. You are assuming that Hawaii is not a state. Got it.
You see like a blind man.
We don't actually know that Davis had any relationship with Obama's mother. If Obama's grandparents, taking care of a half-black grandson who's starting to wonder about being Black, turned to one of the few African-Americans they knew to serve as a mentor, it also just fits.
You and I know Davis was a creepy fellow, but maybe they didn't or didn't care. None of us has anything real to go on here, but I'm thinking Davis would have gotten along better with someone his own age, like Stanley Dunham, than with his daughter.
Obama says as much in his own memoir -- that he didn't dig very much into his parents marriage for fear of what he might find, the implication being that he might have discovered that they weren't legally married.
OK, now I’ve seen the claims. Just hadn’t seen them previously.
Of course, there also go all those theories that he isn’t a natural-born citizen because his father was a British citizen, which of course wasn’t ever really accurate anyway.
It seems reasonably clear that his biological father, whoever he might have been, was a person of melanin.
BTW, I’ve also never seen any real “evidence” that Anne Dunham Obama was “really” his biological mother. Possibly he was a changeling.
Scanned your documentation. Don’t agree with everything in it, but that’s another story.
Question: Why do you keep bringing up “born on the US mainland” as a qualification? Is there some reason you believe a person born in Hawaii or Alaska is any less a citizen than one born in Nebraska? If there is such a rationale, could you please explain it?
the correct name of the doctor is listed here on this Kenyan
Healthcare directory
http://www.healthoutsource.co.ke/directory/healthdirectory.php?id=1199
Yes, I see ‘Dr. Heltan Maganga’ listed in your referenced link. Thanks!
However, the following apparently equally valid links show his name as being ‘Dr. Helton Maganga’.
http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportID=84901
http://www.eastandard.net/news/InsidePage.php?id=1144017299&cid=159&;
So, which spelling is correct, or does he use both names? Puzzling!
Here's some possible scenarios and how they relate to the issue of Barry and NBC: ("Parents" means Biological parents in this context)
Birth in HI:
1. Parents: SADO + Sr.
a) Parents never married = U.S. Citizen. Probably not NBC, as he would probably still inherit his fathers British citizenship, thus making him a dual citizen at birth.
b) Parents married in HI & Sr. not (still) married in Kenya by 1961* = U.S. citizen & British citizen**. Meaning, dual citizen at birth.
c) Parents married in HI & Sr. (still) married in Kenya. This would be a null and void marriage in the US. Therefore, essentially the same as 1(a) = U.S. citizen & probably British citizen. Meaning, dual citizen at birth.
d) Parents married in Kenya = British citizen only (his mother was too young to pass US citizenship to him if born abroad to legally married parents).
2. Parents: SADO + Someone other than Sr. (ex. FMD, or X).
a) Parents never married = NBC, assuming the someone other is a US citizen at his birth. Also, if someone like FMD or X, do we know for certain if either/both of the ever renounced their US citizenship? Possible.
b) Parents married = NBC, depending on answers in 2(a) as well.
3. Parents: Mother & Father unknown. NBC and citizenship status (by statue) at birth unknown.
Birth in Kenya (or elsewhere outside US):
4. Parents: SADO + Sr.
a) Parents never married = British citizen, and probably US citizen due to different rule for birth out of wedlock. Would be a dual citizen.
b) Parents married in HI & Sr. not (still) married in Kenya by 1961* = British citizen.
c) Parents married in Kenya = British citizen.
5. Parents: SADO + Someone other than Sr. (ex. FMD, or X).
a) Parents never married = US citizen, assuming the someone other is a US citizen at his birth.
b) Parents married = US citizen.
* Do we know for 100% certain that Sr. was still married to his original wife(s) in Kenya?
** Assumes Sr. not still legally married to previous wife(s) in Kenya for whatever reason, when he (allegedly) married SADO in HI.
There are many thoughts and opinions as to which scenario (or others) makes the most sense. The fact remains though, the public at large doesn't know for certain: 1) where he was born, 2) who is biological parents (both) really are, 3) if his parents where ever married and 4) where they were married (if they were).
What we do know is what Barry has told us. That is, his mother was SADO, his father was Sr., they were married in Maui in 1961 (though Barry too had questions. From his book dreams: "How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I have never quite had the courage to explore") and that his birth was governed by Great Britain (from his campaign website).
next to it was a picture of obama ‘senior’ - no resemblance at all
Was the real daddy a citizen?
The man Obama looks most like IMO is his grandpa, Stanley Dunham. I have several photos where this is eerily evident. I'm not sure what this might mean...maybe something right out of "Chinatown"...maybe nothing other than he looks like his grandpa. I dunno.
I don't think Obama is hiding his birth certificate for "citizenship" reasons. I think it has to do with WHO is named as his father on it...perhaps a white man. I won't go into my whole crazy theory but I do believe Obama Sr. was not Jr's father but was chosen for the "honor" for political reasons.
Are you suggesting that you have evidence of a marriage?
Re: “born in the US mainland”
Legal term used by my consulting attorneys. Includes Alaska and Hawaii.
Remember all the caselaw that references “natural born” occurred prior to 1958/1959.
Where did you get the notion that I don’t believe native born Hawaiians and Alaskans aren’t citizens? I never suggested such a thing. Of course, they are citizens.
You can get the animated ‘Never Forget’ gif here: http://capnbob.us/blog/never-forget-flash-animation/never-forget-gif-files/
Get it. Put it on all your emails and posts. Don’t let Obama desecrate the memory of 9/11 by declaring it 'a day of service'.
Live link:
You can get the animated ‘Never Forget’ gif here:
http://capnbob.us/blog/never-forget-flash-animation/never-forget-gif-files/
Also, if Davis were the father and Obama was born in HI, how could Obama prove that to save his NBC status if pressed legally? I think there is zero chance that Davis is on the BC. Most of the other potential witnesses are dead and Obama has made such a huge investment in his BHO persona that he would be NBC but a life-long fraud if he claimed that he could now prove Davis was his father, not just his mentor, and Obama knew it.
While in HS only a few months before the BO conception she is reported by classmates to have stated that she didn't believe one had to be married to have children.
>>All executive orders can be overturned by a 2/3 vote of congress.<<
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If that’s the case, Obama is home free. No way that 2/3 of congress will ever vote against O.
That’s my theory. That he is listed as Barry Dunham on his BC. I think he’s a US citizen, but I think his whole “Dreams of my Father” is a bunch of hooey, hence his desire to hide his BC.
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If that's the case, Obama is home free. No way that 2/3 of congress will ever vote against O.
2010 is the all important vote.
lol and yes, this and the rest of story must give one pause. . .if not certainty; that nothing - absoluely nothing - is what it appears in the kingdom of Obama. Meantime; the sockpuppets take delight that all is right in their world.
Rock,
The Obamarriods must have read your post wondering about Lucas’s Kenyan BC because they are starting to attack it, and are out defending that forgery - Obama’s COLB.
RS,
I spoke with my attorney at length today about Leo’s case and Judge Carter. I already paid him for 3 hours worth of research into the UIPA manual and Statute 338-18, so he is HIP to what is going on and he said that if Leo is 100% correct (which he probably is !), the State will be VERY reluctant to accommodate ANY of TerriK’s requests (actually I think I read on FR that Leo is not expecting them to cooperate and TerriK might have to file a suit in HI against the State with an attorney approved to practice in HI, unless she represents herself).
Regarding Judge Carter, he said even if he grants discovery, the defendants will object to that decision with an appeal and even if the Defendants’ appeal is over-ruled (who knows how long THAT will take ?), then (after that legal battle), the State of HI will file their own separate appeal for the Discovery Motion and then ANOTHER legal battle ensues ! Basically, he thinks this could drag out for a LO-O-O-O-O-O—NG time ! DARN !
He is not a pessimist, but he’s just illustrating what he feels will happen should Carter rule against the Motion To Dismiss, which we ALL hope he will ! It will be an incredible UP-HILL battle all the way. The corrupt administration, together with the State of HI, will oppose every action for discovery and create as many delays as possible.
So now I am depressed ! The worst thing is the ‘Soros controlled’ Media will make VERY light of whatever little progress we make...In my opinion, the media black-out and GAG ORDER on eligibility is our BIGGEST hurdle. I have SO MANY friends that don’t even like Obama and they think the COLB is ‘REAL’ bcuz of Obama’s obedient, loyal and highly manipulated little pawns in HI (in addition to Mr. Gibbs laughing it off when questioned, not to mention the other idiots, like O’Reilly and Coultier ridiculing the “birthers”)!
This KILLS me ! Did you see the post from Canada on the Private Investigator who is trying to expose this “Nationwide-imposed” Media Black-out ? You might’ve even sent it to me. It contains radio broadcasts from early August in three separate links.
Well, time for me to read Leo’s new post. I “LOVE” what he and TerriK are ‘trying’ to accomplish, but as Leo stated: “The key is will they (State of HI officials) obey their own laws ?”
Arrrggghhhhhhh ! ! ! ! !
Lastly, this “SueB”, who purportedly is a VERY distant relative of Obama, and has standing as a relative (and thus meets the qualifications for having a “tangible interest”), could have a case because it appears the State of HI has cashed her application check and this would establish that they now have a binding contract with her ! Wishful thinking (?)
That’s all for now...thx 4 listening !
I read that on his blog too. I think he does expect Hawaii to keep obstructing until the end. Just as that dizzy Okubo said to you in her email, call your lawyer.
As time goes on, the Obama Titanic should start leaking more and more information which can be used against him that will speed up the process. :-)
Oh, so scandalous!
Hawaii and Alaska are not geographically part of the US mainland. If you are using the term in some legal sense that’s different.
I had never seen the term used in that way. I wondered if you were making some sort of oblique comment about his being ineligible because he was born in HI, which is not part of the “mainland.”
I also have a correspondence from State Attorney Linden Joesting from 1st week of 8/09. TerriK sent me an e-mail stating that, while Atty. Joesting recently supported DoH denying her info, that she (Joesting) is still a ‘fair attorney’ (oxymoron ?) and in the long run, will assist TerriK in resolving this matter.
As BP2 stated, the State of HI has been ANYTHING but neutral in their replies for requests to access these records. I am not a sadistic person, but something tells me if we all band together and make the jobs of these corrupt officials a “LIVING HELL” over the next few weeks, they might ‘crack’ under all the pressure ! Or at least put them on some serious ‘meds’ !
Okubo and Fukino are 110% GUILTY of showing undo bias toward the registrant (Obama) and are also guilty of OUTRIGHT discrimination toward the citizens requesting the information they have a right to obtain, per 338-18 (d).
My guess is that if we can get as many as possible to bombard the State (DoH and OIP) and require explanations and /or DEMAND for disciplinary action to be taken against Fukino and Okubo for INTENTIONALLY breaking the law (i.e., not informing TerriK that she had a right to appeal once she was denied access to the records requested), MAYBE someone with a brain can intervene...they can’t ALL be Obots down there. What about the Senator ? Can he be “cc’d” on these issues ? He made a comment that BO’s birth records should be public ... just some thoughts...
You will just get one of these:
Dear Beckwith —
Your e-mail to the Attorney General was forwarded to me. Under chapter 28, Hawaii Revised Statutes, this department may provide advice to Hawaii state government officials only, in connection with the performance of their public duties. We are also not at liberty to disclose discussions or communications with our clients. Therefore, we cannot provide you with an answer to your question.
Heidi Rian
Supervising Deputy Attorney General
Health and Human Services Division
Department of the Attorney General, State of Hawaii
Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any review, use, disclosure, or distribution by unintended recipients is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
You are most welcome.
OK....thanks...so now I am ‘REALLY’ depressed.
Basically, they are saying, “We can dishonor our own laws and if you inquire further, we will refuse to answer any questions, that is, unless you file a suit, which will require you to come to HI and employ an attorney licensed to practice law in HI and even then, after all that, we will not grant you your requests, even if they are supported by our own statutes and guidelines, in which case you will have to appeal, and our history of appeals speaks for itself...we will IGNORE your petitions...now, as State Employees with job security, full benefits and pensions plans, is there anything else we can assist you with ?”
Or more properly rendered: “Is there anything else we can NOT assist you with ?”
So does that mean that Neil Abercrombie took this photo?
Gee, kid, I guess you got me!
From The Obama File, September 30, 2009:
“I routinely refer to Hawaiian congress-critter Neil Abercrombie as Obama’s ‘life beard,’ because Abercrombie is the only human being on the planet to put Barack Hussein Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham in the same room together. The first time that there was any documentation of a relationship between the two was in 1971, when Senior mysteriously showed up in Hawaii, ‘to attend to family business.”
The gotcha quote you so cleverly post, refers specifically to the period preceeding the birth of Barack Obama II.
More from yesterday’s post:
The Abercrombie brothers, Neil and then Hal, had escaped the darkness of Buffalo, NY, to attend graduate school in Honolulu. Along with their friends Peter Gilpin, Chet Gorman, and Pake Zane, they hung out at the “snack bar” in an old Army-barracks-style building near their business classes. They fancied themselves as intellectuals, experimenters, outsiders, somewhere between beatniks and hippies.
It was there, that they met Barack Hussein Obama Sr. The group was immediately taken by the one and only African student in their midst. “He was very black, probably the blackest person I’ve ever met,” recalled Zane, a Chinese-Hawaiian, who now runs an antiques shop a few miles from the university.
Members of the snack bar crowd don’t remember the Obama-Dunham relationship. In this report, Hal Abercrombie said he never saw them together. Pake Zane could not recall Ann from those days but had precise memories of Senior.
However, Neil Abercrombie, the Democratic congressman from Hawaii, was part of those regular gatherings and claims that Anna was “the original feminist.” Abercrombie says he remembered her appearing at some of the weekend gatherings. Obama was such a strong personality, he said, that he could see how the young woman was awed and overwhelmed by him.
“She was a girl, and what I mean by that is she was only 17 and 18, just out of high school. And he brought her at different times. She mostly observed because she was a kid. Everybody there was pretty high-powered grad-student types.”
Maybe everybody else, including his own brother, was drunk all the time.
So your source in claiming that Abercrombie is the only person to ever see Obama Sr. and Ann together is...yourself? And dated yesterday?
The gotcha quote you so cleverly post, refers specifically to the period preceeding the birth of Barack Obama II.
So you didn't actually mean "ever" when you wrote:
"Hell, there's no evidence that anyone, other than Obama shill Neil Abercrombie, ever saw Obama Sr. and Anna together -- no one."
- Already viewed it in response to your post on InspectorSmith YouTube channel.
There seems to be references to both the Helton and Heltan (Maganga)spelling as the name of the Chief Administrator of CPGH in the various internet articles.
Many sources/links at reference.
Marriage license Laws in the state of Hawaii, here is what you need to bring with you, and what you need to know about the Hawaii marriage laws before filling out the Hawaii marriage license form.
In order to get married, you need to apply and receive a marriage license. This is the document in your state that allows you to officially tie the knot under the law. The rules for acquiring your marriage license varies from state to state, so you should check with your city’s marriage bureau at your clerk of court’s office to find out what your local rules are.
You’ll typically need to apply for your marriage license at least one month before your wedding ceremony. You’ll traditionally need to send in your birth certificates, tax information, and other official documents. You don’t, however, want to apply for your marriage license too early. In some states, the licenses do expire, if you don’t get married within a few months.
When you apply for your license, you’ll not only need a proof of identification and age, will need to provide any information about previous marriages, and will need to pay a nominal fee. You will also need to have a witness when you sign the application, so plan on bringing your maid of honor or best man with you. The bride will need to know what her married name will be before she signs the marriage certificate. You’ll have to write that name on the application.
And, believe it or not, just because you have your marriage license sent to you in the mail does not mean you are officially married. You need to have a justice of the peace or a religious clergyman sign the document. On your wedding day, you’ll give your chaplain your marriage license, then after the ceremony, he’ll sign it and send it to the proper government agency for validation.
Ungawah!
I just don’t see ol’ Obama Sr. going through that drill.
Great stuff.
Well, they show a divorce certificate, so there MUST also be a marriage certificate, SOMEWHERE???
Donofrio’s Index Data seems to confirm a marriage.
I’ve already amended The Obama File.
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaFamily.htm
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