Skip to comments.Taking the Republican Party
Posted on 10/04/2009 4:01:24 PM PDT by Doug Loss
We've all seen calls for a third party (which would be disastrous I think, given the lack of success third parties have had since 1860) and countering calls for taking control of the Republican Party. But what has been distinctly missing is any idea of how to do either of these things.
I'm not going to bother about how to form a third party, as I think it would be at best a waste of time. Instead, I'm going to present an idea and a website that gives concrete instructions on how to start to take control of the Republican Party. Oh, they don't say "Republican Party," but you know that they don't mean the National Socialists (excuse me, the Democrats).
Wag The Dog 2010 begins to lay out the precinct concept of seizing the party from the bottom up. It differs from state to state, but usually all you need is 5-10 signatures from party members within your voting precinct to get on the primary ballot as a candidate for precinct official for your party. Once you become that official, you get to vote (generally, I'm sure it varies a bit from place to place) for the county party officials about a month later. Those county party officials in turn determine the state officials, etc.
The secret is, many precinct positions are vacant because no one is interested in getting on the ballot, and many others go to the same old folks every time for the same reason. If you're associated with a local tea party organization or anything like that, you can look into getting your people into precinct official positions and take over your county party organization.
Folks, this is what it will take to make the changes we all want to make. Go look at this website, join up if you're of a mind to, but take the ideas seriously and let's start working on actually making a change, not just talking about it!
I fear you are right.
Making my point yet again. How many of anything has the Constitution Party elected? None, that’s how many. Nope, they’re not the big groundswell that will swamp the GOP. At the very most they could throw close elections to the Dems. What we need is to take control of the (as you say) OP and make it the GOP again.
Ron Paul, anti-semitism, 911-Truthers abound, with a smattering of others.
With soros giving money to the rino candidates the chances of conservatives gaining any seats is a joke.Just like the last election.Tell me why I am wrong.
A democracy is socialism we are a republic!
You’re missing the point here. We’re talking about taking control of the party organization from within. I’m pretty sure Soros isn’t going to sponsor some RINO candidate for my precinct official in the next primary election. I don’t really agree with your take on the 2010 general election either, but it doesn’t have anything to do with this idea.
While I haven’t agreed with rabscuttle too much in this thread, democracy is most definitely not socialism. It’s only one step removed from mob rule, but it’s not socialism.
And how exactly do Middle Eastern terrorists bent on killing American schoolchildren with IEDs get to accomplish such a nefarious objective?
Because the United States government willfully fails to enforce valid immigration law.
Then tells us, just WHO do you plan on “taking the party back” for?
Now you’re getting to the real question. Do we agree on enough common principles to have a coherent platform, or are we all pulling in separate directions? Personally, I want to take the party (I’m not saying take it back, because I don’t think we ever really had it) for the principles of gradually paring the federal government back to abiding by the Constitutional strictures that were supposed to limit it, of reducing government’s intrusion into the personal lives of the citizens, and of being responsive to the views of the people (within the limits of constitutionality). I call this “traditional American values” rather than conservative, libertarian, or any other ideologically-loaded terms.
“They did not support McCain”
To be accurate, no one “supported” McCain.
Agreed. Both are silly Demorats in Rino clothing. If only McNuts would just leave the party, he'd definitely be defeated in Arizona. Send Joe Wilson after Grahamnesty.
If the shoe fits, you best wear it. Your comment leaves you very much open to scrutiny.
This is very useful, Doug. Thanks.
I dont mean to argue with you being like minded and all but the powers that be are ready for what ever we got up our sleeve and will counter it with a ton of money.When RR won in 1980 the country club elites forced GHWB on him as his VP and we know what a rino he was and promptly lost reelection coming off of leading Gulf war 1.Yes,I remember the vote was split 3 ways with Perot.I wonder what GHWB did to piss off Perot so much to make him run?Taxes and spending I would think.
The Constitution Party isn't happening for a variety of reasons, the two main ones are, third partys don't have equal ballot access in over 40 states. The second is a lack of money. Until those things are changed, third partys won't be happening.
The OP hasn't been happening for Conservatives for a long time.
The OP hasn't been happening for conservatives, because of our lack of participation.
Ron Paul: Not really. There was an immigration bill that had a fence (requirement) in it, but it was to attack amnesty. I don't like amnesty. So I voted for that bill, but I didn't like the fence. I don't think the fence can solve a problem. I find it rather offensive.
Please explain how ending subsidies for illegal immigrants will prevent terrorists from sneaking across an open border.
They didn’t even support Palin and threw votes away, giving Obama a slightly larger lead.
Do away with them all?
Nowadays a viable network can be established in days maybe weeks.
I think it was Jesus that spoke a against putting new wine in old wineskins. He also said something about just a little leaven leavening the whole lump.
IMO the GOP is dead and has been dead for some time. I won't help rebuild it. I'll help bury it and jump on the grave however.
Nominating the man who undermined the party's Congressional majority is stupid beyond comprehension and I cannot align with people who support that.
Bushbacker1, your opinion of me means pretty much nothing to me. Frankly, all this litmus-test stuff some folks are trying to impose on others is annoying and counter-productive.
Considering that turnout for GOP Township meetings are pathetic, conservatives, with passion, should be able to over run the local GOP organizations.
Sorry. The numbers are not there. Your method only makes matters worse.
What in the world are you talking about, keeping or doing away with amendments? It has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread.
No, a viable network can’t be established in days or weeks. You seem to think that setting up an in-depth political organization is pretty much the same as starting a blog. It isn’t. Don’t bother to help, but don’t think that anything other than seizing control of an existing organization will work in anything but the very long run.
Exactly my point. If we can get committed people who share our principles to stand for precinct offices, we should be able to take over county party organizations. If we get enough of those we can work at taking over the state organizations.
Directly, it won't.
But it will reduce the numbers of foreign nationals entering U.S. territory illegally and make it significantly more difficult for actual foreign terrorists to blend in among the millions of illegal aliens present within U.S. borders.
There is no way, outside of going completely isolationist, to "prevent" *foreign* terrorists from crossing into U.S. territory, or in other words, guarantee with exactly 100 percent certainty that no *foreign* terrorists can cross U.S. borders. And speaking of domestic terrorists, would you prefer that the U.S. become a police state in order to "prevent" *domestic* terrorists from committing crimes within U.S. borders?
The best that can be done to reasonably ensure the security of U.S. territory and lawfully-present persons within said territory, while simultaneously preserving their individual freedom and liberty, is three-fold: one, enforce valid immigration law; two, remove the incentives for foreign nationals to enter and reside in the United States illegally, or, i.e., no more public benefits, no more anchor baby citizenship, no more free education, etc; and three, abide by the Second Amendment, which defines the unconditional right of the individual to bear arms, whether in defense of self, household, and property or in defense of community (via a militia).
But that’s the point of this sort of strategy, the powers that be can’t counter it with a ton of money. If we get elected to precinct offices and start taking control of county party organizations, the “powers that be” won’t have control of that money anymore. The only reason they have it now is that no one is doing what’s needed to take it away from them.
I agree with you whole heartedly - but good luck with this crowd.
I’m not really speaking to all the congenital nay-sayers, but the lurkers who will read what’s posted here and will take it to heart. ;)
Amendments are very much entwined with the constitution, are they not?
So, do you advocate keeping them all or eliminating some? Have not some given government greater intrusion into our lives, according to many?
That's what I'm talking about.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, ut radical Jihadists do not come into teh country to take advnatage of “incentives.”
They come in fully funded to kill us!
We are far from a Police State, but will we be if we follow Paul and wait until they are freely roaming our streets, setting up ied’s and suicide bombings?
I’d much rather fight them over there and not here on our streets.
Obviously you don’t remember the tale of belling the cat.
Yes, I do recall “belling the cat,” but wonder if you recall “chicken little?”
I agree, a third party is not the way to go. We need to clean out and shore up the pubbies, the party of Lincoln, the party of Life!
They (we?) CAN get it together, all a third party will give us is dem rule as far as the eye can see!
Please DO NOT misunderstand my reasons for producing these two videos. If folks want to gather together to let them know that we, like Howard Beal in Network are mad as hell and not going to take it any more , its STILL for the time being anyway a relatively free country so we can do that.
All Im saying here is that, especially in tough economic times, there are more EFFICIENT and EFFECTIVE ways to expend our FINITE RESOURCES.
Its not as much fun as sweating on the Mall but there IS a better and less costly — way to scare hell out of them — and you won’t even have to leave home.
ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL, PART 1: (UNDER 8 MINUTES)
ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL, PART 2: (UNDER 8 MINUTES)
I might even go get myself one of those bee keeper's helmet with netting and start poking these guys' hives.
It reminds me of those childhood summer days when we were so bored we pooled our money to buy a popsicle and dropped it on the ground to attract zillions of ants. Then out came the magnifying lenses and voila - a thoroughly enjoyable afternoon.
Well, for the sake of our country I sincerly pray you are right.
Good tips, a good way in. Go for it, FReepers!
Then why come at me over your comments on the constitution when I ask about amendments?
But, I appreciate your reply as to the 2 you would do away with.
It reveals more than you realize.
Conservatives have allowed themselves to be abandoned, because too many chose not to participate.