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Taking the Republican Party
Vanity ^ | 10/04/2009 | Doug Loss

Posted on 10/04/2009 4:01:24 PM PDT by Doug Loss

We've all seen calls for a third party (which would be disastrous I think, given the lack of success third parties have had since 1860) and countering calls for taking control of the Republican Party. But what has been distinctly missing is any idea of how to do either of these things.

I'm not going to bother about how to form a third party, as I think it would be at best a waste of time. Instead, I'm going to present an idea and a website that gives concrete instructions on how to start to take control of the Republican Party. Oh, they don't say "Republican Party," but you know that they don't mean the National Socialists (excuse me, the Democrats).

Wag The Dog 2010 begins to lay out the precinct concept of seizing the party from the bottom up. It differs from state to state, but usually all you need is 5-10 signatures from party members within your voting precinct to get on the primary ballot as a candidate for precinct official for your party. Once you become that official, you get to vote (generally, I'm sure it varies a bit from place to place) for the county party officials about a month later. Those county party officials in turn determine the state officials, etc.

The secret is, many precinct positions are vacant because no one is interested in getting on the ballot, and many others go to the same old folks every time for the same reason. If you're associated with a local tea party organization or anything like that, you can look into getting your people into precinct official positions and take over your county party organization.

Folks, this is what it will take to make the changes we all want to make. Go look at this website, join up if you're of a mind to, but take the ideas seriously and let's start working on actually making a change, not just talking about it!


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To: Doug Loss
And what party would that be? Sorry, it isn’t happening.

One is The Constitution Party. The OP hasn't been happening for Conservatives for a long time.
52 posted on 10/04/2009 4:55:35 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Baynative

I fear you are right.


53 posted on 10/04/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by tioga (Drip, Drip, Drip.........the ACORNS are falling.)
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To: Man50D

Making my point yet again. How many of anything has the Constitution Party elected? None, that’s how many. Nope, they’re not the big groundswell that will swamp the GOP. At the very most they could throw close elections to the Dems. What we need is to take control of the (as you say) OP and make it the GOP again.


54 posted on 10/04/2009 4:58:24 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss
Have you even looked through this website?

“Documentation Page”

Ron Paul, anti-semitism, 911-Truthers abound, with a smattering of others.

55 posted on 10/04/2009 4:58:48 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Doug Loss

With soros giving money to the rino candidates the chances of conservatives gaining any seats is a joke.Just like the last election.Tell me why I am wrong.


56 posted on 10/04/2009 4:59:25 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DakotaRed
Try to follow me. His idea on how to take control of the Republican Party is a good one. I purely don't care if he's a loon otherwise. It's still a good idea, and a good plan. Yes, I looked at the Documentation Page, and yes, it's full of craziness. Not a tiny bit of which invalidates the quality of the concept to seize control of the GOP through the precinct effort.
57 posted on 10/04/2009 5:03:26 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: rabscuttle385

A democracy is socialism we are a republic!


58 posted on 10/04/2009 5:04:44 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (The tree of liberty..........)
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To: imahawk

You’re missing the point here. We’re talking about taking control of the party organization from within. I’m pretty sure Soros isn’t going to sponsor some RINO candidate for my precinct official in the next primary election. I don’t really agree with your take on the 2010 general election either, but it doesn’t have anything to do with this idea.


59 posted on 10/04/2009 5:07:09 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: ronnie raygun

While I haven’t agreed with rabscuttle too much in this thread, democracy is most definitely not socialism. It’s only one step removed from mob rule, but it’s not socialism.


60 posted on 10/04/2009 5:08:29 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: DakotaRed; sickoflibs; Impy; Man50D; AuntB; DoughtyOne; TigersEye; TADSLOS; cripplecreek; ...
Waiting until our children must dodge ied’s to and from school isn’t defense either.

And how exactly do Middle Eastern terrorists bent on killing American schoolchildren with IEDs get to accomplish such a nefarious objective?

Because the United States government willfully fails to enforce valid immigration law.

61 posted on 10/04/2009 5:10:50 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Kick corrupt Democrats *AND* Republicans out of office in 2010!)
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To: Doug Loss

Then tells us, just WHO do you plan on “taking the party back” for?


62 posted on 10/04/2009 5:17:45 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: DakotaRed

Now you’re getting to the real question. Do we agree on enough common principles to have a coherent platform, or are we all pulling in separate directions? Personally, I want to take the party (I’m not saying take it back, because I don’t think we ever really had it) for the principles of gradually paring the federal government back to abiding by the Constitutional strictures that were supposed to limit it, of reducing government’s intrusion into the personal lives of the citizens, and of being responsive to the views of the people (within the limits of constitutionality). I call this “traditional American values” rather than conservative, libertarian, or any other ideologically-loaded terms.


63 posted on 10/04/2009 5:24:19 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: DakotaRed

“They did not support McCain”

To be accurate, no one “supported” McCain.


64 posted on 10/04/2009 5:25:09 PM PDT by Grunthor (Thank YOU George Bush, for giving us the GOP of today!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Tinky Winky Lindsay and Mad Juan can go join the Rat Part...err, I mean, go to hell.

Agreed. Both are silly Demorats in Rino clothing. If only McNuts would just leave the party, he'd definitely be defeated in Arizona. Send Joe Wilson after Grahamnesty.

65 posted on 10/04/2009 5:27:02 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Doug Loss
Because my friend, I’m not a Paulista and never have been. You want to disparage the message because you don’t like the messenger.

If the shoe fits, you best wear it. Your comment leaves you very much open to scrutiny.

66 posted on 10/04/2009 5:29:33 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Doug Loss

This is very useful, Doug. Thanks.


67 posted on 10/04/2009 5:30:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Doug Loss

I dont mean to argue with you being like minded and all but the powers that be are ready for what ever we got up our sleeve and will counter it with a ton of money.When RR won in 1980 the country club elites forced GHWB on him as his VP and we know what a rino he was and promptly lost reelection coming off of leading Gulf war 1.Yes,I remember the vote was split 3 ways with Perot.I wonder what GHWB did to piss off Perot so much to make him run?Taxes and spending I would think.


68 posted on 10/04/2009 5:37:19 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Man50D
One is The Constitution Party.

The Constitution Party isn't happening for a variety of reasons, the two main ones are, third partys don't have equal ballot access in over 40 states. The second is a lack of money. Until those things are changed, third partys won't be happening.

The OP hasn't been happening for Conservatives for a long time.

The OP hasn't been happening for conservatives, because of our lack of participation.

69 posted on 10/04/2009 5:39:15 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: rabscuttle385
You want a 700-mile fence between our border and Mexico?

Ron Paul: Not really. There was an immigration bill that had a fence (requirement) in it, but it was to attack amnesty. I don't like amnesty. So I voted for that bill, but I didn't like the fence. I don't think the fence can solve a problem. I find it rather offensive.

Ron Paul on Immigration

Please explain how ending subsidies for illegal immigrants will prevent terrorists from sneaking across an open border.

70 posted on 10/04/2009 5:42:25 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Grunthor

They didn’t even support Palin and threw votes away, giving Obama a slightly larger lead.


71 posted on 10/04/2009 5:43:43 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Doug Loss
So tel me, what would you do with all the Amendments to the constitution? Keep them all? Eliminate selected ones? If so, which ones?

Do away with them all?

72 posted on 10/04/2009 5:45:36 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Doug Loss
you can only get it by taking over an existing structure.

Nowadays a viable network can be established in days maybe weeks.

I think it was Jesus that spoke a against putting new wine in old wineskins. He also said something about just a little leaven leavening the whole lump.

IMO the GOP is dead and has been dead for some time. I won't help rebuild it. I'll help bury it and jump on the grave however.

Nominating the man who undermined the party's Congressional majority is stupid beyond comprehension and I cannot align with people who support that.

73 posted on 10/04/2009 5:47:14 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: Bushbacker1

Bushbacker1, your opinion of me means pretty much nothing to me. Frankly, all this litmus-test stuff some folks are trying to impose on others is annoying and counter-productive.


74 posted on 10/04/2009 5:51:51 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss

Considering that turnout for GOP Township meetings are pathetic, conservatives, with passion, should be able to over run the local GOP organizations.


75 posted on 10/04/2009 5:53:01 PM PDT by yongin
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To: Man50D

Sorry. The numbers are not there. Your method only makes matters worse.


76 posted on 10/04/2009 5:53:10 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: DakotaRed

What in the world are you talking about, keeping or doing away with amendments? It has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread.


77 posted on 10/04/2009 6:07:16 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Eagle Eye

No, a viable network can’t be established in days or weeks. You seem to think that setting up an in-depth political organization is pretty much the same as starting a blog. It isn’t. Don’t bother to help, but don’t think that anything other than seizing control of an existing organization will work in anything but the very long run.


78 posted on 10/04/2009 6:10:13 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: yongin

Exactly my point. If we can get committed people who share our principles to stand for precinct offices, we should be able to take over county party organizations. If we get enough of those we can work at taking over the state organizations.


79 posted on 10/04/2009 6:17:06 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: DakotaRed; Bokababe; bamahead; dcwusmc
Please explain how ending subsidies for illegal immigrants will prevent terrorists from sneaking across an open border.

Directly, it won't.

But it will reduce the numbers of foreign nationals entering U.S. territory illegally and make it significantly more difficult for actual foreign terrorists to blend in among the millions of illegal aliens present within U.S. borders.

There is no way, outside of going completely isolationist, to "prevent" *foreign* terrorists from crossing into U.S. territory, or in other words, guarantee with exactly 100 percent certainty that no *foreign* terrorists can cross U.S. borders. And speaking of domestic terrorists, would you prefer that the U.S. become a police state in order to "prevent" *domestic* terrorists from committing crimes within U.S. borders?

The best that can be done to reasonably ensure the security of U.S. territory and lawfully-present persons within said territory, while simultaneously preserving their individual freedom and liberty, is three-fold: one, enforce valid immigration law; two, remove the incentives for foreign nationals to enter and reside in the United States illegally, or, i.e., no more public benefits, no more anchor baby citizenship, no more free education, etc; and three, abide by the Second Amendment, which defines the unconditional right of the individual to bear arms, whether in defense of self, household, and property or in defense of community (via a militia).

80 posted on 10/04/2009 6:18:30 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Kick corrupt Democrats *AND* Republicans out of office in 2010!)
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To: imahawk

But that’s the point of this sort of strategy, the powers that be can’t counter it with a ton of money. If we get elected to precinct offices and start taking control of county party organizations, the “powers that be” won’t have control of that money anymore. The only reason they have it now is that no one is doing what’s needed to take it away from them.


81 posted on 10/04/2009 6:20:57 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss

I agree with you whole heartedly - but good luck with this crowd.


82 posted on 10/04/2009 6:23:48 PM PDT by nevergiveup (When in Rome, speak Roman.)
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To: nevergiveup

I’m not really speaking to all the congenital nay-sayers, but the lurkers who will read what’s posted here and will take it to heart. ;)


83 posted on 10/04/2009 6:25:12 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss
You said, "Personally, I want to take the party (I’m not saying take it back, because I don’t think we ever really had it) for the principles of gradually paring the federal government back to abiding by the Constitutional strictures that were supposed to limit it, of reducing government’s intrusion into the personal lives of the citizens, and of being responsive to the views of the people (within the limits of constitutionality)."

Amendments are very much entwined with the constitution, are they not?

So, do you advocate keeping them all or eliminating some? Have not some given government greater intrusion into our lives, according to many?

That's what I'm talking about.

84 posted on 10/04/2009 6:28:57 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: rabscuttle385

I hate to be the one to tell you this, ut radical Jihadists do not come into teh country to take advnatage of “incentives.”

They come in fully funded to kill us!

We are far from a Police State, but will we be if we follow Paul and wait until they are freely roaming our streets, setting up ied’s and suicide bombings?

I’d much rather fight them over there and not here on our streets.


85 posted on 10/04/2009 6:33:01 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: DakotaRed

Obviously you don’t remember the tale of belling the cat.


86 posted on 10/04/2009 6:33:17 PM PDT by nevergiveup (When in Rome, speak Roman.)
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To: nevergiveup

Yes, I do recall “belling the cat,” but wonder if you recall “chicken little?”


87 posted on 10/04/2009 6:36:03 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Doug Loss

I agree, a third party is not the way to go. We need to clean out and shore up the pubbies, the party of Lincoln, the party of Life!

They (we?) CAN get it together, all a third party will give us is dem rule as far as the eye can see!


88 posted on 10/04/2009 6:38:03 PM PDT by jocon307 ( We're dealing with COMMUNISTS here, folks!)
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To: Doug Loss

Please DO NOT misunderstand my reasons for producing these two videos. If folks want to gather together to let “them” know that “we,” like Howard Beal in “Network” are “…mad as hell and not going to take it any more…,” it’s STILL – for the time being anyway – a relatively free country so we can do that.

All I’m saying here is that, especially in tough economic times, there are more EFFICIENT and EFFECTIVE ways to expend our FINITE RESOURCES.

It’s not as much fun as sweating on the Mall but there IS a better – and less costly — way to scare hell out of “them” — and you won’t even have to leave home.

ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL, PART 1: (UNDER 8 MINUTES)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk1bGBY3BcE

ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL, PART 2: (UNDER 8 MINUTES)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ylFTOObbF0


89 posted on 10/04/2009 6:39:04 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Doug Loss
Thank you. Up to now, I always avoided these nay-sayers. But golly gee, you're right. It is easy and fun to stir these guys up and help you spread your message.

I might even go get myself one of those bee keeper's helmet with netting and start poking these guys' hives.

It reminds me of those childhood summer days when we were so bored we pooled our money to buy a popsicle and dropped it on the ground to attract zillions of ants. Then out came the magnifying lenses and voila - a thoroughly enjoyable afternoon.

90 posted on 10/04/2009 6:49:53 PM PDT by nevergiveup (When in Rome, speak Roman.)
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To: Doug Loss

Well, for the sake of our country I sincerly pray you are right.


91 posted on 10/04/2009 6:51:11 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Doug Loss
Nope, they’re not the big groundswell that will swamp the GOP.

How much has the OP supported Conservatism over the last few years? None. If there is a groundswell, it won't be from Conservative grassroots. They are leaving the OP because they are tired of the choice between socialist and socialist light.
92 posted on 10/04/2009 7:02:37 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: c-b 1
The OP hasn't been happening for conservatives, because of our lack of participation.

The OP isn't happening because they have abandon Conservatives.
93 posted on 10/04/2009 7:06:09 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: DakotaRed
Amendments are not "entwined" with the Constitution, they're part of the Constitution, every bit as much as the Articles are. There are certain amendments I'd like to see changed, as I'm sure many other people here would like to see them changed. I'd like to see the 16th and 17th Amendments repealed. But take a look at Professor Randy Barnett's Bill of Federalism for a comprehensive idea of what would be a good set of repeals and additions.
94 posted on 10/04/2009 7:06:53 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Man50D
You see, you're wrong in your initial premise. The conservative grassroots aren't leaving the Republican Party in the great numbers you seem to imagine they are. They're dissatisfied with what the GOP's giving them by way of candidates, but they aren't running to any other party. If we seize the GOP machinery and put actual conservative candidates up for election, the grassroots will be right there behind them. You just can't get your head around the idea that I'm advocating taking the GOP over, not trying to force the current leaders to do what we want.
95 posted on 10/04/2009 7:10:58 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss
Whoops, bad link. Try this one: Bill of Federalism
96 posted on 10/04/2009 7:13:31 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss

Good tips, a good way in. Go for it, FReepers!


97 posted on 10/04/2009 7:15:44 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Doug Loss

Then why come at me over your comments on the constitution when I ask about amendments?

But, I appreciate your reply as to the 2 you would do away with.

It reveals more than you realize.


98 posted on 10/04/2009 7:24:53 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Man50D

Conservatives have allowed themselves to be abandoned, because too many chose not to participate.


99 posted on 10/04/2009 7:32:22 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Doug Loss
You see, you're wrong in your initial premise. The conservative grassroots aren't leaving the Republican Party in the great numbers you seem to imagine they are.

Oh really. That's interesting because at Resistnet.com there is a similar discussion of leaving versus staying with the OP. The National coordinator, Darla Dawald pointed out many of the Precinct Chair positions were not filled by Conservatives in the last election and practically implored Conservatives to fill those positions.

They're dissatisfied with what the GOP's giving them by way of candidates, but they aren't running to any other party.

They're not staying with the OP.

If we seize the GOP machinery and put actual conservative candidates up for election, the grassroots will be right there behind them.

That's tantamount to saying if they had rearranged the deck chairs the Titantic would not have sunk.

You just can't get your head around the idea that I'm advocating taking the GOP over, not trying to force the current leaders to do what we want.

You can't get your head wrapped around the fact this same loser strategy has been pushed on FR in the past and has been rejected by many conservatives because they've had enough of the socialist light party. Keep in mind FR is a Conservative website, not a Republican website.
100 posted on 10/04/2009 7:33:26 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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