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Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed
New Scientist ^ | October 6, 2009 | Ewen Calloway

Posted on 10/07/2009 3:44:32 PM PDT by genetic homophobe

Packing heat may backfire. People who carry guns are far likelier to get shot – and killed – than those who are unarmed, a study of shooting victims in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has found.

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I'll take my chances
1 posted on 10/07/2009 3:44:33 PM PDT by genetic homophobe
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To: genetic homophobe

I’ll bet the study did not involve those who have a permit to carry!


2 posted on 10/07/2009 3:45:59 PM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: genetic homophobe

I can smell the BS all the way through the computer screen.


3 posted on 10/07/2009 3:46:17 PM PDT by Brucifer (Proud member of the Double Secret Reloading Underground.)
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To: genetic homophobe

They must be referring to the criminals. Gets them great jail time if they survive getting shot by the good guys as well.
Thumbs up...


4 posted on 10/07/2009 3:46:42 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: genetic homophobe

Walking outside does the same thing. Moreso in some areas.


5 posted on 10/07/2009 3:47:00 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: genetic homophobe

we must be talkin about the boyz in the hood and not legal ccl’s


6 posted on 10/07/2009 3:47:15 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: genetic homophobe

Philadelphia, ROTFLMAO!

In Philadelphia, most of the gun-toters are gang-banging Obamanoids.


7 posted on 10/07/2009 3:47:37 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hear us, O Bama: Mmm, mmm, mmm.)
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To: genetic homophobe

Philly is a sewer ... smells kinda like the gist of this article.


8 posted on 10/07/2009 3:48:11 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Southern by choice ... American by the grace of God)
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To: genetic homophobe

What a crock of shiite.


9 posted on 10/07/2009 3:48:23 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: genetic homophobe

These are the kind of results one would expect when lumping legal gun owners with gang bangers.


10 posted on 10/07/2009 3:48:27 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: genetic homophobe
I figure if you factor out the bad guys I would say you are probably safer if you do carry a gun.


11 posted on 10/07/2009 3:48:53 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: genetic homophobe

these guys would disagree.

http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/


12 posted on 10/07/2009 3:48:58 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm)
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To: genetic homophobe
I am glad that my ancestors moved out of Philadelphia! Those that don't carry here have a greater chance of being eaten by a bear or mountain lion. Guns are not for killing people they are for staying alive.
13 posted on 10/07/2009 3:48:58 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: genetic homophobe

Didn’t say anything at all about the composition of the study.

They don’t say what percentage were licensed to carry.


14 posted on 10/07/2009 3:48:58 PM PDT by rlmorel (Obama, The Flatulence of One Thousand Black Dogs After Eating Boiled Eggs Be Upon Him...)
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To: genetic homophobe

But decreases the risk of being raped.


15 posted on 10/07/2009 3:49:06 PM PDT by Errant (`)
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To: Brucifer
Lemme guess, a grant from the Brady Foundation sponsored a liberal college/university Obama donor to conduct a research study. This crap really gets old, I tell you. They aren't even worth the time tracking down and proving the obvious bias the study investigator has to the source of funds or personal/political stake in the results.

In my world this is call Academic Whoring.

16 posted on 10/07/2009 3:49:06 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: genetic homophobe


17 posted on 10/07/2009 3:50:06 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: genetic homophobe

In other news: people wearing parachutes are more likely to die in falls from aircraft than the general population.


18 posted on 10/07/2009 3:50:20 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the veal.)
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To: genetic homophobe
Carrying a parachute increases the likelihood of dying from jumping out of an airplane too. Better stop carrying them.

Another lesson in correlation is not causality.

19 posted on 10/07/2009 3:50:21 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: genetic homophobe

Already posted awhile ago - bogus biased junk science.


20 posted on 10/07/2009 3:51:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: genetic homophobe
I call B.S.

Μολὼν λάβε


21 posted on 10/07/2009 3:52:11 PM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" or "come get some")
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To: genetic homophobe

No, being in an area where one is highly motivated to carry a gun, i.e. dangerous neighborhoods, increases your chances of getting shot.


22 posted on 10/07/2009 3:52:12 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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To: genetic homophobe

Someone has confused cause and effect. People who believe they have an increased risk of being shot at are more likely to arm themselves. Drug dealers don’t get shot at because they’re armed.


23 posted on 10/07/2009 3:52:25 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: genetic homophobe

A look at the article, it would seem that a lot of these were thug wannabes who failed to advance in their career choice.


24 posted on 10/07/2009 3:52:29 PM PDT by digger48
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To: genetic homophobe

the study really indicates.... how to say stupid things and get away with them.


25 posted on 10/07/2009 3:52:48 PM PDT by Gone_Postal ("Men who say it cannot be done, should not interupt those doing it.")
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To: genetic homophobe

Packing heat may backfire. People who carry guns illegally are far likelier to get shot – and killed – than those who are unarmed, a study of shooting victims in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has found.

Corrected.

Regards, Doodle


26 posted on 10/07/2009 3:52:51 PM PDT by YankeeDoodleRebel
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To: genetic homophobe

They’re misspelling the title of their publication. “Non-Scientist” starts N-O-N-, not N E W.


27 posted on 10/07/2009 3:53:53 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: genetic homophobe

On the other hand, NOT carrying a gun ALSO increases your risk of getting shot and killed. I think they cancel each other out.


28 posted on 10/07/2009 3:54:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America! We're spending our grandchildren's inheritance!)
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To: genetic homophobe
While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't, Branas speculates.

"While it may be that the type of women who take out restraining orders against ex's are simply more likely to be the targets of violent lunatics, it may be that the restraining orders give a false sense of security that causes them to remain less vigilant, or encourages them not to stay cowering in their homes with their fingers poised over the 9-1-1 speed dial button."

< /s>

Since when are there neighborhoods we "probably shouldn't visit"? I was under the impression that this was a free country where we have the right to go into any neighborhood we choose.

29 posted on 10/07/2009 3:54:46 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: genetic homophobe

I am sure these stats are skewed by all of the gang violence that occurs between rival factions who.....yup, you guessed it...carry guns. Of course, this fact is buried nice and deep in the stats so the author can imply that carrying a gun is more dangerous than not.

JoMa


30 posted on 10/07/2009 3:54:52 PM PDT by joma89
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To: genetic homophobe
Crossing the street increases the risk of people getting run-over and killed....Ban the other side road!!!
31 posted on 10/07/2009 3:54:54 PM PDT by skully (Sorry I didn't know Marxism was a race!!)
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To: genetic homophobe

Only if you’re using it to rob someone who is also carrying.


32 posted on 10/07/2009 3:54:54 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: Brucifer

I’m sure they took a very scientific sample of drug dealers in the Philadelphia ‘hood. They may have included a few in Pittsburgh just for good measure.


33 posted on 10/07/2009 3:55:57 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: genetic homophobe
Overall, Branas's study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens.

Armed gangbangers killing other armed gangbangers. No mystery here.

34 posted on 10/07/2009 3:56:11 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: genetic homophobe

That is surely true of criminals -home invaders and robbers- who carry guns in the commission of their crimes. Intended victims who a have guns close to hand tend to shoot the gun carrying bad guys. It is those poor victimized crime workers that are mourned by the sort of folks who write articles like this one.


35 posted on 10/07/2009 3:56:13 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: genetic homophobe

Remember: When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.


36 posted on 10/07/2009 3:56:51 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Jeff Chandler
In Philadelphia, most of the gun-toters are gang-banging Obamanoids.

and they get shot a lot by each other thus loading up the stats.

37 posted on 10/07/2009 3:57:26 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: genetic homophobe
While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot

This is all in Phily. It should state that gangbangers are more likely to get shot because they are shooting at each other. Mumia also shot a cop who was carying a gun.

38 posted on 10/07/2009 4:00:38 PM PDT by HospiceNurse
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To: Gaffer

I wonder if the study includes soldiers and jihadis in war zones.


39 posted on 10/07/2009 4:00:40 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: stockpirate
Actually inaccurate on both ends

Compares the percentage carrying guns in assaults (FBI figures say 70% of those, whether victim or assaulter, already have felony records, so are carring illegally) with those in the general population (but there only those carring legally can be measured, so underestimates guns carried)

40 posted on 10/07/2009 4:00:43 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the veal.)
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To: genetic homophobe

This may be true with a caveat:

it’s only for 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within Philadelphia, PA, from 2003 to 2006.

Hard to make that stretch nation wide.


41 posted on 10/07/2009 4:01:22 PM PDT by Sparko ("Barack Hussein Obama He said Red, Yellow, Black or White All are equal in His sight. Mmm, mmm, mmm")
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To: Brucifer
"...People who carry guns are far likelier to get shot – and killed..."

Especially if they're criminals and they try jerking around a CCW.

42 posted on 10/07/2009 4:01:53 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: arthurus

I’ve done plenty of contracted studies and I know that many such studies are pre-determined based on the motivation and desires of the benefactor. They, any like this one, aren’t worth the paper they are printed upon.


43 posted on 10/07/2009 4:03:21 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: A CA Guy
They must be referring to the criminals.

EXACTLY!!!!!

Let's see a breakdown of the results.

44 posted on 10/07/2009 4:03:55 PM PDT by Iron Munro (I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take a beating.)
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To: genetic homophobe

Hey, what is that smell?


45 posted on 10/07/2009 4:06:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: genetic homophobe
Packing heat may backfire. People who carry guns are far likelier to get shot – and killed – than those who are unarmed, a study of shooting victims in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has found.

Just driving through Philadelphia is likely to get you killed.

46 posted on 10/07/2009 4:07:16 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: genetic homophobe

Gangsters in the hood are far more proficient with guns than law abiding citizens? Aren’t we giving them too much credit?


47 posted on 10/07/2009 4:07:28 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: genetic homophobe

Not a suprising result because anyone with a bit of common sense in Philly is packing heat!!


48 posted on 10/07/2009 4:07:39 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: genetic homophobe

I wanna see the author of this article walk through the worst neighborhoods in Philthydelphia after dark and see if he has the same sentiments by the next morning, that is if he even survives an hour.


49 posted on 10/07/2009 4:08:03 PM PDT by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: Teflonic
These are the kind of results one would expect when lumping legal gun owners with gang bangers.

And you know they did this because...

It apears this study is slanted, but it is not as simple as that. When the article states they tried to adjust for income levels it is absurd to suggest they considered a shot gangbanger the same as a regular citizen.

For starters, as some have already pointed out< Philly is a seriously screwed up place, and a poor place to do the study. They sidestep the issue, but the level of violence in that city is disproportionately high. I have read articles about the serious extensive problems at NFL and MLB games. People have been beaten to death and drunk fans picking fights can be charted in 1/2 hour time slices.

What I'm getting at is I suspect that in Philly both those who carry legally and those who do not are more likely to shoot it out. And I think the selection of Phily was intentional to warp the data. Without more information to show balance this looks to be another blatant media effort to vilify guns.

Hey, at least the rate of SUVs murdering people has dropped.

50 posted on 10/07/2009 4:09:02 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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