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Women 'Soon' Will Serve on Submarines, Navy Secretary Says
American Forces Press Service ^ | John J. Kruzel

Posted on 10/07/2009 5:15:32 PM PDT by SandRat

WASHINGTON, Oct. 7, 2009 – Navy Secretary Ray Mabus yesterday said women soon will serve on submarines, suggesting a reversal of the long-standing ban by the Navy.

Appearing on Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart,” Mabus signaled that the Navy is moving closer to allowing coed personnel on submarines.

“It will take a little while because you’ve got to interview people and you’ve got to be nuclear trained,” he said, referring to prerequisite steps before a sailor is assigned to a submarine.

Officials previously have cited a lack of privacy and the cost of reconfiguring subs as obstacles to allowing female crewmembers to serve aboard the vessels.

But Mabus is one of several top Navy officials recently to call for an end to the policy. The Navy secretary’s comments yesterday amplify his previous endorsement of ending the ban.

“This is something the [chief of naval operations] and I have been working on since I came into office,” Mabus, who was confirmed as Navy secretary in May, said last week. “We are moving out aggressively on this.

“I believe women should have every opportunity to serve at sea, and that includes aboard submarines,” he told reporters following a tour of Northrop Grumman Corp.'s Newport News shipyard.

Navy Adm. Gary Roughead, chief of naval operations, acknowledged that special accommodations would be a factor in the decision, but one that’s not insurmountable.
“Having commanded a mixed-gender surface combatant, I am very comfortable addressing integrating women into the submarine force,” he said in a statement last month. “I am familiar with the issues as well as the value of diverse crews.”

Roughead said he has been personally engaged through the years in the Navy’s debate of the feasibility of assigning women to submarines.

“There are some particular issues with integrating women into the submarine force -- issues we must work through in order to achieve what is best for the Navy and our submarine force,” he said. “This has had and will continue to have my personal attention as we work toward increasing the diversity of our Navy afloat and ashore."

Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, addressed the issue with the Senate Armed Services Committee last month.

“I believe we should continue to broaden opportunities for women,” Mullen is quoted as saying in response to written questions posed by the Senate Armed Services Committee. “One policy I would like to see changed is the one barring their service aboard submarines.”

Mullen, a champion of diversifying the services, said this month that having a military that reflects the demographics of the United States is “a strategic imperative for the security of our country.”

Biographies:
Navy Adm. Mike Mullen
Ray Mabus
Navy Adm. Gary Roughead

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Thoughts all you Bubble-Heads
1 posted on 10/07/2009 5:15:32 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: SandRat

When someone gets a copy of the new NavOp covering “Hot Bunking”, please post it, as I think it would be highly entertaining...

You Bubbleheads...


2 posted on 10/07/2009 5:18:22 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts....)
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To: SandRat

Do any of these idiots that think this is such a great idea ever spend time on a sub?


3 posted on 10/07/2009 5:18:40 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: SandRat

Fire him now! This ain’t a movie.


4 posted on 10/07/2009 5:20:01 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: screaminsunshine

Gives Seamen a whole new meaning.


5 posted on 10/07/2009 5:21:24 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: SandRat
Appearing on Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart,” Mabus signaled...

What a joke.

6 posted on 10/07/2009 5:22:22 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Nope!


7 posted on 10/07/2009 5:22:55 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

We will soon subs that have to surface or return to port due to a pregnancy...so much for mission first.


8 posted on 10/07/2009 5:23:37 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SandRat

So two months into a deployment she is found to be ah, with child.

Now what, they still have several months under water.


9 posted on 10/07/2009 5:24:23 PM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: SandRat

Reported on Jon Stewart? I just heard disturbing news from my Army daughter, new privates, specialists, entry level recruits assigned to their first Army posts are whining their superiors are ‘too mean and being sweared at’ and have been given ‘stress cards’ or time outs if their sarge is ‘too mean’, present the card, and you get a break. Also, there are trauma areas for new recruits on posts if it gets too stressful. My first thought was, ‘oh terrorist, here’s my card, please wait until I’ve composed myself before you cut my head off’. I’m not sure I’m a fan of women on subs. Then again, if it’s gays, what’s the difference other than pregnancy? Until we have a real government that believes in the constitution, we’re screwed.


10 posted on 10/07/2009 5:24:34 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: DownInFlames

Too much. We must neutrialize the coplete idiots in DC. I hope we can wake up the sheeple.


11 posted on 10/07/2009 5:25:26 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

At best, they’re Skimmers.


12 posted on 10/07/2009 5:25:40 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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Additionally, the sarge’s are really ticked off at the competence level of the latest newbies to say the least.


13 posted on 10/07/2009 5:26:33 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: Indy Pendance

Don’t even get me started on “Stress Cards.”


14 posted on 10/07/2009 5:28:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

So, you’ve heard of them? Unreal.


15 posted on 10/07/2009 5:28:52 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: screaminsunshine

The women will not last ..


16 posted on 10/07/2009 5:29:01 PM PDT by Broker (Pakikisama)
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..
Ping to the Steely-Eyed Killers of the Deep.

This statement proves that SecNav has no clue about what he's talking about:

“It will take a little while because you’ve got to interview people and you’ve got to be nuclear trained,” he said, referring to prerequisite steps before a sailor is assigned to a submarine.

There are plenty of female nukes. One of my guys was married to an M Div-er on the Theodore Roosevelt. Furthermore, it's not like every member of the crew is a propay getting nuke.

Besides, boomers have always been full of women. :)

17 posted on 10/07/2009 5:30:09 PM PDT by Doohickey (I try to take my days one at a time, but occasionally several days attack me at once.)
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To: Indy Pendance

Oh yeah. Know long term NCOs that didn’t reup and told the retention NCO what to do with them because of it.


18 posted on 10/07/2009 5:32:53 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat
Navy Secretary Ray Mabus yesterday said women soon will serve on submarines, suggesting a reversal of the long-standing ban by the Navy”

Someone needs to send this idiot a copy of this movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053143/

19 posted on 10/07/2009 5:33:26 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: namsman

Sub ping!


20 posted on 10/07/2009 5:33:53 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SandRat

This is an extremely Bad idea.


21 posted on 10/07/2009 5:33:54 PM PDT by glymers
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To: SandRat

Women ‘Soon’ Will Service on Submarines, Flowerplough Says.

Me brudder, on a LST and a destroyer tender in the 80s, saw his ship/shore rotation go from 3 years/3 years to 5 years/1 year because the Navy’s machine shop women at sea often got pregnant as quickly as possible to get mandated a shore berth.


22 posted on 10/07/2009 5:35:58 PM PDT by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I spent 5 and a half yrs of my life assigned to boats.

There is nothing more disasterous and it confirms my previous stance. Our current flag officers are self-serving ass****s.

Anyone care to guess how much the “women on combat ships” fiasco has cost us in op tempo, money, and morale?

I’m glad I’m out and never thought I’d say it, but I will never, EVER recommend that service to a young person again.

Men and women are not equals and never will be, regardless of how many B*’s the SecNav may be getting under his desk.


23 posted on 10/07/2009 5:36:04 PM PDT by SubmarineNuke (To the Sea I shall return)
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To: SandRat
I'm ready to give this a chance.

I would like it if the Navy put women on just one or two subs as a "shake down" to double check the thesis that it's workable.

Just this Navy Dad's opinion.

.

24 posted on 10/07/2009 5:36:11 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: glymers

PCism run amok.


25 posted on 10/07/2009 5:36:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

“Officials previously have cited a lack of privacy and the cost of reconfiguring subs as obstacles to allowing female crewmembers to serve aboard the vessels.”

If i recall correctly, they needed to make toilet and bed accommodations for females. Since space on a sub is limited, they were discussing decreasing capacity of weapons systems to accommodate the woman’s facilities.


26 posted on 10/07/2009 5:37:03 PM PDT by HEM
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To: flowerplough

Reality vs. PCism.


27 posted on 10/07/2009 5:37:13 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

My son in law had contemplated serving out his term and ending his career, but because of bambi and all the stupid rules, decided America needs real military men now more than ever and just signed up for another term. God Bless our military, all branches. We need them now more than ever. He’s going to Afghanistan in January.


28 posted on 10/07/2009 5:37:42 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: SandRat

29 posted on 10/07/2009 5:37:43 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: SandRat

There was a time when every decision of the military would be solved by the question “Does it make us a better fighting force?”

Obviously that question is no longer asked.

I put up this scenerio before: put ten women on a 688. Since I am sure they can’t hot rack you have to put them in lower level berthing which I think has 15 racks. So now 45 more qualified men have to hot rack just so that the petticoat Navy can pat itself on the back. Thats almost half the enlisted on board. The beatings will continue until moral improves.

Former MM1(SS)


30 posted on 10/07/2009 5:37:46 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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Boomers have been full of women....

That is the funniest thing Ive ever read.

OMG, still rolling...


31 posted on 10/07/2009 5:37:56 PM PDT by SubmarineNuke (To the Sea I shall return)
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To: Seaplaner

Only for an all female crew.


32 posted on 10/07/2009 5:38:01 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Broker

After 3 weeks on a sub they will all be 10’s.


33 posted on 10/07/2009 5:40:09 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Doohickey
Besides, boomers have always been full of women.

Chicken of the Sea.
We hide with pride.

34 posted on 10/07/2009 5:40:47 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: SandRat
Next will be co-ed maximum secrurity prisons, where the inmates can pay their debts to society, without the bother of lack of consortium.

We've lost our way, Amerika.

35 posted on 10/07/2009 5:41:23 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gots to buy no gas...Obama gonna take care o' me!")
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To: SmokingJoe

What a great movie that is...


36 posted on 10/07/2009 5:41:47 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: SandRat
Yup,that's the ticket.Three quarters of the women are pregnant 2 months into a six month cruise.

(Do subs even *do* 6 month cruises?)

37 posted on 10/07/2009 5:42:30 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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“It will take a little while because you’ve got to interview people and you’ve got to be nuclear trained,”

and you have to retrofit cramped billion dollar subs with heads and sleeping quarters and you have to dumb down the strength requirements and you have to deal with the jealousy and pregnancy problems on board and the jealousy from wives at home.

But other than that, it will be as easy as relocating Guantanamo


38 posted on 10/07/2009 5:43:13 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: SandRat

It is beneath the dignity of the office of Navy Secretary to appear on Comedy Central, much less Daly’s show.


39 posted on 10/07/2009 5:43:15 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: screaminsunshine

You guys are so funny! We were trying to remember all the military slogans, ‘be all you can be’, ‘the few, the proud’, but couldn’t remember the navy slogan and came up with ‘lost at sea’. Caveat: My dad was WWII Navy.


40 posted on 10/07/2009 5:43:49 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: Broker
The women will not last ..

They will as long as Hussein is in "command".He'll see to it.

41 posted on 10/07/2009 5:44:12 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Indy Pendance

Cool. I hope you were not offended.


42 posted on 10/07/2009 5:45:08 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: traditional1
Did you ever think 72 virgins for all eternity was not enough?
43 posted on 10/07/2009 5:45:09 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Do subs even *do* 6 month cruises

It depends. If you are on a crappy boat you stay out until something breaks. If you are on a good boat you cover your missions and the missions of the boats that broke. I was at sea 220 days one year.

44 posted on 10/07/2009 5:45:12 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: Doohickey
Like Snorkel Patty "served" in Submarine Bars.
When I was on the Theodore Roosevelt, it could dive AND surface!

45 posted on 10/07/2009 5:45:19 PM PDT by SmithL (The Golden State demands all of your gold)
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To: screaminsunshine

Offended? LOL! No way, I have 4 brothers, 0 sisters. Nothing phases me, I love the jokes. PC be damned!


46 posted on 10/07/2009 5:47:33 PM PDT by Indy Pendance (Live Free Or Die)
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To: Indy Pendance
"Did you ever think 72 virgins for all eternity was not enough?"

Well, silly me...

I assure you I don't think ANY of the gals that "serve" on subs will be qualified thereafter as one of the "72".

However, they sure could end each cruise with a bundle o' cash to carry them through in the future!

47 posted on 10/07/2009 5:48:42 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gots to buy no gas...Obama gonna take care o' me!")
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To: Indy Pendance; SandRat
Snopes says that Stress cards are bunk. I know they aren't the best source of information, but do either of you have any gouge about this currently going on? I simply can't believe we've fallen that far, that fast...
48 posted on 10/07/2009 5:49:44 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Indy Pendance

Hot Damn! Three if by government.


49 posted on 10/07/2009 5:51:37 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: SandRat

I’ve served on fast attack subs and ballistic subs. I have no words to express how absurd I think that the idea of women serving on subs is. It is bad enough now having women serve in the Navy. As a retired senior officer, I had to deal with the fact that women have a far higher absentee rate than males due to “hormonal” problems. The pregnancy rate, even among officers, is a huge problem. Most of them are single mothers. Every ship on which I served with women would make the love boat look tame. There is more screwing going on in a mixed crew auxiliary ship in the Navy than in a Bangkok brothel. I can’t even begin to list the number of divorces I have had to deal with over these mixed crew experiments. It is one gawd awful mess. What is really and truly aggravating is that if you want to make a career out of the Navy, you don’t dare say anythingnegative about women serving in the Navy. It you do, you’ll never get promoted.


50 posted on 10/07/2009 5:53:55 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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