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Barack Obama ready to pay Afghan fighters to ditch the Taliban
London Times ^ | 10/10/2009 | Christina Lamb

Posted on 10/10/2009 1:57:28 PM PDT by Saije

The Obama administration is considering outbidding the Taliban to persuade Afghan villagers to lay down arms as it struggles to find a new approach to a war that is fast losing public and congressional support.

Despite five war councils in two weeks, President Barack Obama has so far failed to come up with a strategy for the conflict that may define his presidency. Fierce infighting continues between his own generals and advisers...

Afghans are known for changing sides back and forth during their long years of war — there is an old saying that “you can rent an Afghan but never buy one” — and battles have often been decided by defections rather than combat.

Paying Taliban foot-soldiers to switch sides could spare US lives and save money, say its advocates. A recent report by the Senate foreign relations committee estimated the Taliban fighting strength at 15,000, of whom only 5% are committed idealogues while 70% fight for money — the so-called $10-a-day Taliban...

...Some experts disagree. Gilles Dorronsoro from the Carnegie Institute insisted: “You cannot break an insurgency that strong with money. It’s not a mercenary force — it’s a very powerful movement.”

...McChrystal had his knuckles rapped for failing to go through the chain of command when he described advocates of a focused attack on Al-Qaeda as “short-sighted”. He was told to cancel a trip to Washington to brief Obama.

One serving general close to McChrystal told The Sunday Times he has been taken aback by the White House’s attitude. “It surprised a lot of us — we thought the policy decision was made to come down on the counter-insurgency course of action.”

The source described as “crazy” the idea that “we can just cut deals with the Taliban without having to do anything”.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; mcchrystal; obama; taliban
The loony left derided the practice in Iraq of paying fighters to switch sides. But they weren't just given money and allowed to do whatever they wanted, it was actually part of a larger program, I think, the Sons of Iraq, etc. And I think to some extent it was initiated by the Iraqis themselves. I've seen no reporting that indicates the Taliban are interested in switching sides and fighting Al Qaeda.
1 posted on 10/10/2009 1:57:28 PM PDT by Saije
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To: Saije

So what happens when you stop paying the Taliban or do you plan to pay them forever?


2 posted on 10/10/2009 2:00:55 PM PDT by Joiseydude (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees. Live free or die.)
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To: Saije

So another words, we’re going to fund terrorism?

This child thinks that if you throw enough money around, the terrorists will become fine upstanding citizens.

What’s Obama’s explanation of Osama Bin Laden then?

The guy was educated in the West just like someone else we know. He had a decent lifestyle, some would agree was a lot better than many people on planet earth.

Both of them hate the U.S., and want to humble it.

God, for all the world this sounds like two birds of a feather.

Tell us Barack, why didn’t financial freedom cause you to moderate toward the West? It might be instructional to know.


3 posted on 10/10/2009 2:01:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: Joiseydude
So what happens when you stop paying the Taliban or do you plan to pay them forever?

You just pass another trillion dollar stimulus and then just "spend" 3 percent of it. Nobody ever checks where the rest of it goes.

4 posted on 10/10/2009 2:02:07 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Saije

This is insane. Bambi thinks he can buy the Taliban the way he bought blacks in this country...with promises of government money. Every so often he has to come out and hand them a few thousand dollars (such as in Detroit the other day) and he thinks this will be the same.

The difference is that US blacks, even in Detroit, are not killing women for not covering their hair, killing girls for going to school and teachers for teaching them, converting male children into human bombs after using them for sex, and generally destroying civilization.

But Obambi doesn’t give a flying you know what about the Afghanis, and as for us, he’s hoping we will have a humiliating defeat. Which, thanks to him, we are having right now.


5 posted on 10/10/2009 2:04:39 PM PDT by livius
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To: Saije
Kash for Kalashnikovs.
6 posted on 10/10/2009 2:09:02 PM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: shove_it

Sounds like an ACORN derived model?


7 posted on 10/10/2009 2:15:36 PM PDT by SanFranDan
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To: livius

Insane or not, Bush did the exact same thing with the Sunni insurgents.


8 posted on 10/10/2009 2:16:40 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Sounds like a good idea. We can also outbid them on the Poppy crop. I say do it and put a bounty on Taliban scalps.


9 posted on 10/10/2009 2:23:45 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Saije

Yeah, this will work out great—just like it did when we tried to bribe the thugs in Faluja. They will take our $$, us it to buy weapons to kill our troops, grow even more poppies for heroin, and laugh their a$$es off at our naivete. Even the Russians weren’t this stupid.


10 posted on 10/10/2009 2:30:31 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Saije
The Bozo opened his smart mouth & arrogantly made a decision. “It was Obama who insisted in March and again last month that this was a ‘war of necessity’ and must be fully resourced rather than looking at what we really have at stake in Afghanistan.”

He stepped in it, now he's in over his head & he doesn't know what to do. He'd better man up & realize that this isn't Chicago 'thug land' where you bribe your way to get anything you want. It's a real war - our troops are dying & we have a community organizer in charge.

11 posted on 10/10/2009 2:39:26 PM PDT by LADY J (Change your thoughts and you change your world. - Norman Vincent Peale)
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To: Saije

Why don’t we just take over the international heroin trade?


12 posted on 10/10/2009 2:45:59 PM PDT by montag813 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -George Orwell)
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To: Saije

Gee, such original thinking by The Won.

He doesn’t realize the way the USA has convinced other countries to reach agreements with us for the past 50+ years is to PAY THEM MONEY.


13 posted on 10/10/2009 2:46:22 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: livius

OMG, you took the words right out of my mouth!
So what happens when the Detroit blacks run out of their $3k? And when does he do the same in Chicago? This could be non ending.


14 posted on 10/10/2009 2:52:47 PM PDT by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: livius

“This is insane. Bambi thinks he can buy the Taliban the way he bought blacks in this country...with promises of government money. Every so often he has to come out and hand them a few thousand dollars (such as in Detroit the other day) and he thinks this will be the same.”

I wonder what will happen to the vast percentage of those who filled out the forms for free money but didn’t win. They’ll hate the ones who got $3,000 each. They’ll resent Obama.


15 posted on 10/10/2009 2:58:31 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: kitkat

They’ll find a way of excusing it. Probably the eeevil white man didn’t let Obama do the right thing...

The Taleban, meanwhile, is busy high-fiving each other over our departure. Giving them money for it shows them it works.


16 posted on 10/10/2009 3:09:57 PM PDT by livius
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To: ohiogrammy

I think it will be never ending. He’ll keep up dripping money through here and there. Everybody who doesn’t get it will find some way to excuse Obama and some way to increase their resentment of the people who have actually provided the money.

As for the Taleban, they’ll take it and go on with business as usual, and in fact, AQ will probably be in there taking it away from them in no time. They’ll give them a cut, though, and it will be a mafia family type arrangement.

Obama doesn’t care. All he wants is to see this country destroyed, either by internal pressure or from the outside, and he’s using his control over our tax dollars to carry this out.


17 posted on 10/10/2009 3:14:03 PM PDT by livius
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To: Saije

Oh, I see acorns even there too.


18 posted on 10/10/2009 3:20:04 PM PDT by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: Saije
A painting obama chose for the White HOuse = how apropos


19 posted on 10/10/2009 4:32:30 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: DoughtyOne
Osama Bin L He had a decent lifestyle

yep. Most people would agree that a multi millionaire has a "decent lifestyle:

:o)

20 posted on 10/10/2009 4:35:05 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: Saije
Brilliant idea!

I don't see a problem. This strategy has worked marvelously well for Democrats in Detroit and most other major cities in America. The blacks and other minorities are now all bitter-ender supporters of Liberal politicians and firmly glued to The Liberal Plantation, despite their forged chains.

All that's needed to do after that in Afghanistan is organize the "dead vote" and give out "Obama Stash" money and the Liberals will be in power in Afghanistan forever!

21 posted on 10/10/2009 4:41:57 PM PDT by Gritty (We are God's partners in matters of life and death - Barak Hussein Obama)
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