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Clothesline bans stir rights battles
The New York Times/The Seattle Times ^ | October 11, 2009 | IAN URBINA

Posted on 10/11/2009 9:17:11 AM PDT by kingattax

CANTON, Ohio — After taking a class that covered global warming last year, Jill Saylor decided to save energy by drying her laundry on a clothesline at her mobile home.

"I figured trailer parks were the one place left where hanging your laundry was actually still allowed," she said, standing in front of her tidy, yellow mobile home on an impeccably manicured lawn.

But she was wrong. Like the majority of the 60 million people who live in the nation's roughly 300,000 private communities, Saylor was forbidden to dry her laundry outside because many people viewed it as an eyesore, not unlike storing junk cars in driveways, and a marker of poverty that lowers property values.

In the past year, however, state lawmakers in Colorado, Hawaii, Maine and Vermont have overridden these local rules with legislation protecting the right to hang laundry outdoors, citing environmental concerns, because clothes dryers use at least 6 percent of all household electricity consumed.

Florida and Utah already had such laws, and similar bills are being considered in Maryland, North Carolina, Oregon and Virginia, clothesline advocates say.

The new laws have provoked a debate. Proponents argue people should not be prohibited by their neighbors or community agreements from saving on energy bills or acting in an environmentally minded way. Opponents say the laws lifting bans erode local property rights and undermine the autonomy of private communities.

Jill Saylor hangs clothes outside her mobile home in Canton, Ohio. She petitioned to get the owner of the property where she lives to reverse a clothesline ban.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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KEYWORDS: energy; hoa; propertyrights; zoning
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To: kingattax
She's doing the right thing but for the wrong reason.

It's good to conserve and save energy, but not for the sake of globull warming. Er, excuse me, climate change. That's the new moniker since it hasn't warmed any in ten years. It's all about power, control, and money. Any imbecile should be able to figure that out.

21 posted on 10/11/2009 10:08:17 AM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: kingattax

After hurricane Ike I dry my clothes outside, I use a small tree in my backyard. Not one complaint yet. Might get around to putting up a clothes line some day. Never did replace the dryer, mother nature does a better job. lol


22 posted on 10/11/2009 10:24:51 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: kingattax

Dammit,we want our depression and you gotta give it to us. To hell with going green and climate change energy savings. And Y2K too.


23 posted on 10/11/2009 10:32:24 AM PDT by Waco (Kiss an illegal aliens' axx and buckle yer seat belt, it's the law.)
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To: maine-iac7

You do realize that this a is a private community we’re talking about. She signed up for this by moving in and signing her homeowners agreement; it’s not like the homeowners association just popped up out of nowhere and started making demands on her. She signed a contract, now she wants to renege on it - and because here renege is based on the desire to save sacred Gaia she thinks she has the right.


24 posted on 10/11/2009 10:56:50 AM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: kingattax
Personally, I see nothing at all wrong with the aesthetics of laundry hanging outside. (Well, perhaps it would be better if people covered their “unmentionables” with sheets, like they did in the “old days”.



That said, I prefer the convenience of an electric dryer. If you live in an area with a heating season (e.g. all of Canada); you can get a diverter for the dryer vent, so that it vents the hot moist are into the house. That way, you aren't using any more energy, than you would if you hung the laundry outside to dry, and ran your furnace longer. This won't work for everyone: only for electric heated dryers (gas appliances need ventilation); and only if you have dry indoor air (i.e. if you need to use a humidifier).




25 posted on 10/11/2009 11:11:48 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: jimtorr

Interesting. In Kowloon (across the harbor from Hong Kong) one looks up to see hundreds of bamboo poles sticking out over the street, many stories high, with family laundry flapping in the breeze.

I have fond Midwest childhood memories of laundry on the line. Times sure change. It’s all in the eye of the beholder, I guess.


26 posted on 10/11/2009 11:14:29 AM PDT by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: kingattax

Energy rates are going up 30% for customers of PP & L (PA Power and Light) in 2010. I think there are going to be a lot of people hanging out clothes to save on energy costs, esp. those who do a lot of wash.


27 posted on 10/11/2009 11:30:59 AM PDT by randita (Release ALL the ACORN video now or risk having it deep sixed by Holder.)
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To: randita

Electric driers are an incredible waste of energy.
It’s like flushing money.
When the government tells people they can’t dry their clothes outside, it’s like a big tax on that community, except the tax money is thrown away for no benefit.
If more people could dry their clothes on lines, people would have more money in their pockets for all sorts of things.


28 posted on 10/11/2009 11:42:39 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: kingattax

Excuse me, but that clothesline looks well maintained and compact, besides, wasn’t all the Hollyweird perverts yapping about drying clothes on clotheslines? Good on her.

There is a mansion on a hill overlooking our area (Central Texas) and a friend had a clothesline in the backyard which borders the millionaire’s mansion property. No one could see it but the millionaire on the hill behind him. He was asked if he could remove the line, friend said, “Sure, buy the place at my price and you can do what you wish with all of it”. That ended that!

Since then, several millionaires have bought the mansion, divorced and moved on, what a waste of some nice property, now we have a vacant, deteriorating mansion to look at. None of us can see our friend’s clothesline but we can ALL see this eyesore mansion.


29 posted on 10/11/2009 11:55:41 AM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: jimtorr

The way I see it property values have fallen so far that hanging out clothes can’t really hurt the value any more!


30 posted on 10/11/2009 12:08:29 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: eclecticEel

“You do realize that this a is a private community we’re talking about”

After Katrina one of the most interesting things to come out of the disaster was the information that private communities will not get help. FEMA can only go the front gate and no further. This might be seen as a selling point.


31 posted on 10/11/2009 12:11:20 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We are an Oligarchy)
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To: jimtorr

I don’t give a damn about saving energy!


32 posted on 10/11/2009 12:17:03 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: kingattax
The cap and trade bill is going to make hanging cloths outside a necessity. Which is what Obama wants. We don't deserve to use modern appliances with so many around the world going without them don't ya see.
33 posted on 10/11/2009 12:34:40 PM PDT by kempo
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To: kingattax

The clothesline lowers value, but the trailer park doesn’t. Go figure.


34 posted on 10/11/2009 12:42:46 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Amendment 0: Congress shall make no law.)
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To: dalereed

If you don’t care about saving energy, then I guess you don’t care about ever increasing electric and gas bills.


35 posted on 10/11/2009 1:06:21 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

I grew up in the 40’s and 50’s. Everybody hung their wash out. Everybody. Most people still had wringer washers in those days as well. Monday was “laundry day”. Since everybody hung out their wash, nobody complained. But if their neighbor’s sheets weren’t white enough, that was grist for gossip.

Pretty mild, considering how complete strangers think they must take it upon themselves to tell others how to live.

I pity anyone who hasn’t slept on sun-dried sheets and pillowcases.


36 posted on 10/11/2009 1:10:28 PM PDT by wayoverthehill
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To: kingattax
This was posted this morning. See Debate Follows Bills to Remove Clotheslines Bans [Global Warming Loonies......]

Just letting you know because you might be interested in the comments over there.


From the desk of
cc2k:

37 posted on 10/11/2009 1:15:57 PM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: jimtorr

“guess you don’t care about ever increasing electric and gas bills.”

No i don’t!


38 posted on 10/11/2009 1:38:52 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Erik Latranyi
People need to keep their nose out of other people’s property or we will eventually all lose our property rights.

Your position is unclear. Are you on the side of the owner of the trailer park or on the side of the government interferring with the park rules against hanging clothes outside?

39 posted on 10/11/2009 1:47:37 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Here in the NW - you know, Seattle (your source) - I love to hang my clothes outside on sunny, warm days.

What do you do the other 330 days?

40 posted on 10/11/2009 1:49:05 PM PDT by ColdWater
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