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'Net Neutrality' Is Socialism, Not Freedom
Washington Examiner ^ | October 20, 2009 | James G. Lakely

Posted on 10/20/2009 4:09:02 PM PDT by yoe

Advocates of imposing "network neutrality" say it's necessary to ensure a "free" and "open" Internet and rescue the public from nefarious corporations that "control" technology.

Few proposals in Washington have been sold employing such deceptive language -- and that's saying something. But few public policy ideas can boast the unashamedly socialist pedigree of net neutrality.

The modern Internet is a creation of the free market, which has brought about a revolution in communication, free speech, education, and commerce. New Federal Communications Commission Chairman Julius Genachowski apparently doesn't like that. He stated last month the way Internet service providers manage their networks -- in response to millions of individual consumer choices -- is not sufficiently "fair," "open" or "free."

The chairman's remedy is to claim for the FCC the power to decide how every bit of data is transferred from the Web to every personal computer and handheld device in the nation. This is exactly what the radical founders of the net neutrality movement had in mind.

The concept can be traced to an iconoclastic figure, Richard Stallman, a self-described software freedom activist who introduced the term "copyleft" in the mid-1980s. In his 2002 essay "Free Software, Free Society," Stallman fiercely attacks the idea that intellectual property rights are one of the keystones of individual liberty, so important that patents and copyrights are affirmatively protected in the body of the Constitution.

According to Stallman, "we are not required to agree with the Constitution or the Supreme Court. [At one time, they both condoned slavery.]" Like slavery, he says, copyright law is "a radical right-wing assumption rather than a traditionally recognized one." Rebuking those who might find a Marxist flavor in his call for a "digital commons," Stallman turns the tables, writing: "If we are to judge views by their resemblance to Russian Communism, it is the software owners who are the Communists."

Eben Moglen's 2003 treatise The dotCommunist Manifesto is more honest about the thinking behind net neutrality -- it's sprinkled throughout with the language of communism's great and bloody revolutionaries. The people must "struggle" to "wrest from the bourgeoisie, by degrees, the shared patrimony of humankind" that has been "stolen from us under the guise of 'intellectual property.' "

How does one bring this about? The professor of law and legal history at Columbia University would start with the "abolition of all forms of private property in ideas."

Most bold and radical of the neutralists is Robert W. McChesney, founder of Free Press -- the leading advocacy group in Washington pushing for net neutrality. In an August interview with a Canadian Marxist online publication called the Bullet, McChesney rejoices that net neutrality can finally bring about the Marxist "revolution."

"At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies," McChesney said. "We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control."

He's right: Net neutrality divests control over the Internet from the private sector to the government. And in typical Marxist fashion, innocuous words -- the language of neutralism and liberty -- cloak an agenda that would crush freedom.

That's the agenda President Obama's FCC is pushing.

James G. Lakely is co-director of the Center on the Digital Economy for the Chicago-based Heartland Institute, a free-market think tank. His policy study, "Neutralism: The Strange Philosophy Behind the Movement for Net Neutrality," can be found at www.heartland.org.


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Obama has placed close to him the very advocates our ancestors fought to free ourselves from only this time rather than a King and tyranny, it is Communism and tyranny. Mark Lloyd is a Communist.

"FCC's Diversity Czar: Mark Lloyd: 'White People' Need to be Forced to 'Step Down' 'So Someone Else Can Have Power'

America is under siege. Every assumption, every basic fundamental right is under attack. The very premise of America, individual rights, is being destroyed. You won't like what comes after America.

Net neutrality is part of the larger shift to "change" America from our founding principles of unalienable property rights, a free market system and a constitutional republic, toward Marxism.

Please send this article to your list so they are informed and can attack with knowledge.....America is being OVERTHROWN.

1 posted on 10/20/2009 4:09:02 PM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

and the hits just keep a comin


2 posted on 10/20/2009 4:16:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: yoe
FCC to vote on ‘net neutrality’ proposal on Thursday; opposition continues

Apparently the site is down temporarily but trying keep to connect. It is an important read. Contact your politicians to oppose this vote! Pour it on and don't let up!
3 posted on 10/20/2009 4:17:08 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: yoe
I agree that the President is surrounding himself with hard left people but I am confused about Net Neutrality as presented in this article.

I thought real Net Neutrality was "bits are bits," that is you can charge me for bandwidth but not discriminate on the source of the bits.
I guess an example would be a Cable provider slowing down traffic from sites that let you see their programs online without using their DVR service.

Maybe the objection is to the hijacking of Net Neutrality for their own lefty agenda and if that's the case then yes I am opposed.

4 posted on 10/20/2009 4:18:19 PM PDT by AreaMan
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To: yoe; All

Is it true that the Christian Coalition is supporting Net Neutrality??? If so why????


5 posted on 10/20/2009 4:19:18 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Can't Stop the Signal!)
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To: yoe

“…to ensure a "free" and "open" Internet…”

To ensure freedom we will oppress the beliefs and actions of those we disagree!

…those that do not know history are willing to accept another nice sounding story, as they wonder down that road to hell paved with good intentions.


6 posted on 10/20/2009 4:19:23 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Few proposals in Washington have been sold employing such deceptive language -- and that's saying something. But few public policy ideas can boast the unashamedly socialist pedigree of net neutrality.



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7 posted on 10/20/2009 4:19:58 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Man50D
Contact your politicians to oppose this vote! Pour it on and don't let up!

You bet I will! Thanks and Please help keep this in the forefront - all Freepers need to attack this threat head on.

8 posted on 10/20/2009 4:20:35 PM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

A chicken in every pot and the internet in every household. All paid for by the taxpayer and run by gubment!


9 posted on 10/20/2009 4:24:01 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: AreaMan

Mark Lloyd will use this regardless of what the true meaning was, he will use this to stop all opposition to the Obama vision of America. It is a silencer of free speech. Why does Obama have so many Communists and other anti-Americans close to him? It is obvious, he truly thinks America should not be a free nation....that is one of the reasons.


10 posted on 10/20/2009 4:24:50 PM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe
Stallman fiercely attacks the idea that intellectual property rights are one of the keystones of individual liberty, so important that patents and copyrights are affirmatively protected in the body of the Constitution.

Three things:

One, without Stallman, there would be no GNU/Linux.

Two, individual property rights are a good thing, but unlimited copyrights and patents (de jure monopolies) are not so good. That's why they are supposed to be limited to only certain types of information and granted for only certain periods of time.

Three, "net neutrality" is simply a maintenance of the present situation with regards to the Internet's architecture, that is, transit providers agree to pass each other's network traffic without preference or prejudice. Right now, folks running servers pay bandwidth charges, and so do individuals and businesses that access those servers. Without net neutrality, many ISPs have figured that they can introduce what is effectively variable-rate tolling on their networks as a means of extracting additional revenue from either server operators or end users. There is absolutely nothing wrong with "net neutrality" on principle; and yes, Obama's implementation of "net neutrality" could be full of Marxist booby traps.

11 posted on 10/20/2009 4:26:24 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: AreaMan; yoe; bamahead
Maybe the objection is to the hijacking of Net Neutrality for their own lefty agenda and if that's the case then yes I am opposed.

Agreed.

12 posted on 10/20/2009 4:27:51 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Man50D
try this:('net neutrality' proposal)
13 posted on 10/20/2009 4:28:42 PM PDT by yoe
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Ping!
14 posted on 10/20/2009 4:30:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: yoe

I can think of nothing that will lose BHO more of his own base than restricted, government controlled internet access.

I can think of nothing that will inflame BHO’s opposition more than attempting to gag communications.

Sow the wind geniuses, sow the wind.


15 posted on 10/20/2009 4:31:30 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: yoe
try this:('net neutrality' proposal)

Great! Thanks. The strange thing I tested my link once and it connected. I tried a second time a minute later but it wouldn't connect.
16 posted on 10/20/2009 4:32:26 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: yoe
I'm for net neutrality. Without the present internet structure, sites like FR couldn't have taken off.

Don't like the mainstream media? They'll be getting preferential treatment without net neutrality.

My vote is keep the internet as is so that smaller sites can become huge ones instead of being shut out of the bandwidth game.
17 posted on 10/20/2009 4:35:31 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: yoe

Is there a place to find these rules? I remember reading the 6 principles the rules were to be based on. I realize that the implementation could twist things, but I’m not sure why I should be imposed to rules that set out to achieve this:

1) Consumers are entitled to access whatever lawful internet content they want.

2) Consumers are entitled to run whatever applications and services they want, subject to the needs of law enforcement.

3) Consumers can connect to networks whatever legal devices they want, so long as they do not harm them.

4) Consumers are entitled to competition between networks, applications, services and content providers.

5) Service providers are not allowed to discriminate between applications, services and content outside of reasonable network management.

6) Service providers must be transparent about the network management practices they use.


18 posted on 10/20/2009 4:36:52 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: AreaMan

Today’s Glenn Beck’s show on Fox News network addresses Obama’s agenda concerning “Net Neutrality” .


19 posted on 10/20/2009 4:37:00 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: rabscuttle385
Obama's implementation of "net neutrality" could be full of Marxist booby traps.

Very likely the biggest understatement of the year. Mark Lloyd explains it himself, "Whites have had 'it' too long".

20 posted on 10/20/2009 4:37:58 PM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe
America can and must be taken back, but the recovery of he Republic will be a tale of fire and blood. Remember who we're dealing with. Remember their history. Remember the pedigree of their ideas. Remember the 220 million+ who have died under the rule of monsters like these.

“A specter is haunting Europe – the specter of Communism….” So began the Communist Manifesto so many years ago. A manifesto driven by the darkest side of human nature, expressed in an unappeasable appetite to control mankind.

That same specter is now haunting the White House.

The same ideas that have animated the 20th century’s mass murderers now have a happy home in the White House. Say that again: The same ideas that have animated the 20th century’s mass murderers now have a happy home in the White House.

Prove me wrong. You can't.

Obama is merely another worshipper at the altar of statism, sharing the same pew as Stalin, Castro, Mao, Chavez and Pol Pot. They bow before the same god of human sacrifice and power for power’s sake. And as the sad, bloody history of the twentieth century, and as the first decade of the 21st has shown, demons dance on their empty altars.

These monsters would rather rule in hell as barbarians sitting on top of a stinking heap of rubble and corpses than leave the rest of us alone to live in peace. I believe that enough patriots still remain to prevent this from happening. But it will come at a terrible cost.

Titus Livy, in his introduction to his monumental history of Rome remarked that his purpose in writing was "to trace the progress of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them."

Now we must face the remedies needed to cure ourselves of the Marxist totalitarian rot that has overtaken us. That we have allowed to overtake us. Livy's cure will not take place in the voting both nor will it come from the forums of public debate.

Those forums have been lost to us, as any observant individual well knows.

The honest answers to the following questions won’t be pleasant to contemplate.

When your opponents lack the price of admission to civilized debate: a respect for reason, belief in objective truth, and a willingness to admit they’re wrong when the facts prove it so - what then?

When your opponents' goals are to destroy the very foundation of your culture and your society - and to offer nothing in return but the howling nightmare of a society of cannibals and looters - what then?

When your opponents use the public education system to indoctrinate your children's' minds in the politics of victimization and the nobility of human servitude and sacrifice - what then?

When the institutions of higher learning are occupied by Marxist multiculturalists who despise the very philosophical foundation upon which the architecture of liberty and human dignity have been constructed and seek to destroy it - what then?

We know the answer - as historian Samuel P. Huntington said in his Clash of Civilizations, "History shows that no country so constituted can long endure as a coherent society."

And now we must pay the price for Livy’s cure. You all know that there is only one way this can end.

21 posted on 10/20/2009 4:39:25 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: KevinDavis

Aparently yes. They seem to have been fed a line of bull and chowed down. Somehing to do with private enterprise shutting down Christian sites. Just BS but they are late comers to this fray and have been taken for a one way ride.


22 posted on 10/20/2009 4:40:42 PM PDT by PIF
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To: yoe
Actually, "Net Neutrality" is how the internet reached the point it is today so, I'm all for it.

I'm assuming the FCC hasn't changed the definition, though.

23 posted on 10/20/2009 4:42:22 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: AreaMan

Does Net “Neutrality” give the government the ability to block servers, providers and websites?


24 posted on 10/20/2009 4:43:35 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: PIF; All

Sad... I wonder if they think that Government is going to bad porn sites also..


25 posted on 10/20/2009 4:45:27 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Can't Stop the Signal!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Three, "net neutrality" is simply a maintenance of the present situation with regards to the Internet's architecture, that is, transit providers agree to pass each other's network traffic without preference or prejudice.

Net neutrality is government control over operation of the Internet by fiat. It's basically the FCC telling ISPs how to manage their networks. Okay, sure, right now it's just the FCC saying "keep things as they are now." But it's a foot in the door: what's stopping the FCC from later saying "under the authority legitimized by our net neutrality ruling, ISPs are hereby ordered to block traffic to the following conservative websites"? Hint: nothing.

As for Stallman, the guy's a wacko. Did some good things, but then fell off a cliff. The GPLv3 affair should tell you everything you need to know about Stallman.
26 posted on 10/20/2009 4:47:43 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Three things: without Stallman, there would be no GNU/Linux.

So what?

Two [patents and copyrights] are supposed to be limited to only certain types of information and granted for only certain periods of time.

And what patents or copyrights are you aware of that are unlimited in duration?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with "net neutrality" on principle;

Sure there is. On principle, those parts of the Internet that are privately owned should on principle be allowed to charge whatever customers whatever they like for whatever traffic they pass at whatever volume, time of day, or other sales consideration they may come up with. Or do you disagree "on principle" with the idea of volume discounts or other kinds of sales devices? If so, under what "principle" of capitalism do you oppose them?

27 posted on 10/20/2009 4:49:10 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Terpfen
But it's a foot in the door: what's stopping the FCC from later saying "under the authority legitimized by our net neutrality ruling, ISPs are hereby ordered to block traffic to the following conservative websites"? Hint: nothing.

And what's to stop the leftists who run some of the major ISPs from throttling FR traffic (or blocking it outright) until FR pays a huge amount to them?

Nothing!

28 posted on 10/20/2009 4:51:20 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: FredZarguna
On principle, those parts of the Internet that are privately owned should on principle be allowed to charge whatever customers whatever they like for whatever traffic they pass at whatever volume, time of day, or other sales consideration they may come up with. Or do you disagree "on principle" with the idea of volume discounts or other kinds of sales devices? If so, under what "principle" of capitalism do you oppose them?

At my house, there is only one cable provider and only one telco.

The big ISPs have state-granted monopolies on access.

If you want a free market, fine. But don't give us some bastardized mutant hybrid of capitalism and Socialism and call it a "free market" and "capitalist" system.

29 posted on 10/20/2009 4:54:47 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

Please. The only thing ISPs have ever done that comes even remotely close to blocking access to sites is Comcast’s throttling of Bittorrent traffic at peak hours.

The argument that government needs to step in now to correct a situation that has never happened is false on its face.


30 posted on 10/20/2009 4:56:22 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: yoe

have fun. Hope you don’t mind drinking Coffee with aspartame and cream.

What you don’t drink coffee?

Sounds like a personal problem.

Next!.... calling number 46th million in line. Have a seat, you can get on the internet in an hour.


31 posted on 10/20/2009 4:56:28 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: KevinDavis
After Hussein gets rid of the vile Christian web sites - porn will get government grants and more universities will teach courses on how to film and star in the greatest online government sponsored porn sites = an up and coming new American industry which Hussein will be able to show real job growth. /sarc
32 posted on 10/20/2009 5:03:52 PM PDT by PIF
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To: rabscuttle385
If your house has a telco and a cable provider, you have two hardline sources of broadband. Unless you live in some very mountainous parts of Montana or West Virginia, you have additional wireless access as well. What you're really saying is that you don't want to pay those prices: but I'm not responsible for where you live, and broadband providers aren't either. And broadband access isn't a right.

Here's a clue for you FRiend: when you find yourself in agreement with Richard Stallman, there's a greater than 99.99999% likelihood that you're wrong. I'll let FReepers have a look at http://www.stallman.org/, his personal web page to decide for themselves. The government didn't pay Comcast to drag cable to my house or Verizon to pull fibre to my door. They have no right to tell them what to charge.

33 posted on 10/20/2009 5:04:24 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Even if you don’t know what “Net Neutality” is... the fact that every Socialist, Marxist, Maoist connected to the Obama Administration is behind this should show you that it is not a good thing and a backdoor into government control of the internet and what you are able to get on it. Make no mistake, these people are Hyper-Radicals who will do anything to destroy this great country of ours.


34 posted on 10/20/2009 5:12:51 PM PDT by jackieh
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To: FredZarguna
What you're really saying is that you don't want to pay those prices: but I'm not responsible for where you live, and broadband providers aren't either. And broadband access isn't a right.

No, what I'm saying is that if the two broadband providers sell me unfiltered access for my network traffic to transit through their network, I want them to actually deliver.

The government didn't pay Comcast to drag cable to my house or Verizon to pull fibre to my door.

Try getting cable from another provider. You can't. Or maybe telephone service from another provider. Nope, you can't.

Absent the principles of "net neutrality" in how traffic is passed from network to network, if Verizon wants to sell me a $200/month VoIP plan, they can just degrade or outright block Skype traffic originating from my home.

As I said earlier, "if you want a free market, fine." No government-mandated "net neutrality," and allow for full competition in cable and telco access to homes and businesses instead of the government-granted monopoly status that is the situation today.

35 posted on 10/20/2009 5:15:23 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: yoe

It is all getting past the point of return. I guess there is no tipping point until all is lost.

I am sick of it.


36 posted on 10/20/2009 5:17:40 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: jackieh

Net Neutrality is not bad: it made the internet what it is. That the FCC is getting involved is the only bad part.


37 posted on 10/20/2009 5:18:09 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: rabscuttle385

Very good analysis. I have always been for net neutrality but I get very suspicious when Obama’s FCC stooges come out for it now


38 posted on 10/20/2009 5:20:08 PM PDT by dennisw (It's not called the Wheel. It's called the Carousel)
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To: rabscuttle385
Nonsense. I can buy telephone service from no less than a dozen different providers, and I don't live in a big city.

Who is stopping anyone from pulling cable to your house? [Hint: No one].

What's now called "net neutrality" is not fundamentally different from the common carrier requirements enforced on the telcos in the 1980's.

What was the result?

The infrastructure degraded rapidly, or was simply left to attrition, because it was in no one's interest to upgrade their hardware for the benefit of their freeloading "competition."

I repeat: there is NOTHING stopping 90 different access providers from serving you. Now, ask yourself the question why don't they?

39 posted on 10/20/2009 5:21:42 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: yoe
With these left wing nutcases in charge of things, I'm assuming that net neutrality as they define it will be a horrendously bad thing. Therefore, I don't support it at this time.
40 posted on 10/20/2009 6:04:45 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (The DemocRat Party is no longer an American political party.)
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To: AreaMan; yoe; rabscuttle385

My opposition to it is very simple - Government oversight, management, and mandates over privately owned assets (routers, switches, fiber) and Government control over terms of service (bandwidth) between two consenting parties.

No thanks.


41 posted on 10/20/2009 6:52:46 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: bamahead
Few proposals in Washington have been sold employing such deceptive language

Oh they're just getting started...

42 posted on 10/20/2009 7:16:03 PM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: dennisw

Suspicion is one thing, but opposition to Net Neutrality just because the Obama folks are for it is unnecessary. “Even a broken clock...” and all that. This opposition to Net Neutrality is people begging for corporate control of the Internet. The Interstate Highway System and air traffic control are socialist programs, too, by these standards.


43 posted on 10/20/2009 7:22:43 PM PDT by MN Doc
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To: MN Doc
The Interstate Highway System and air traffic control are socialist programs, too, by these standards.

The interstate highway system is one thing I know a little about since my Mother bid Jobs for the state highway department a good portion of her life. Boy the stories she told about that process! In a nutshell it was all about appearances money-wise. They never chose the highest or lowest bidder regardless of how well they might do the jobs - it was a completely political process because of the very nature of it all.

Everyone was watching how much got spent on a project both internally and externally, public and private. It was nothing more than a dog and pony show designed to make appearances... if that isn't marxism or socialism, I really don't know what else to call it!

44 posted on 10/20/2009 7:40:31 PM PDT by jurroppi1 (America, do not commit Barry Care-y!)
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To: yoe

Contact your politicians to oppose this vote! Pour it on and don’t let up!

You bet I will! Thanks and Please help keep this in the forefront - all Freepers need to attack this threat head on.
______________________________
bump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 10/20/2009 7:44:08 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: MN Doc; All

http://www.fcc.gov/broadband_network_management/022508/wu.pdf

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2259A1.pdf

http://www.fcc.gov/live/upcoming-events.html#oct22

http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/

http://www.fcc.gov/broadband_network_management/

Pretty crappily organized website, I’d say. Hard to search and find anything useful.
Tax dollars at work, LOL.


46 posted on 10/20/2009 7:50:34 PM PDT by hyperconservative (Remember, then seek & find. Verify, save and share info. Work and fight.)
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To: FredZarguna

They keep extending the limits, beyond anywhere near their original intention.


47 posted on 10/20/2009 7:53:38 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: rabscuttle385
"One, without Stallman, there would be no GNU/Linux."

Please expand and explain why this is relevant.

"Two, individual property rights are a good thing, but unlimited copyrights and patents (de jure monopolies) are not so good. "

Which is why that are not observed. The object of discussion is vacuous.

"Three, "net neutrality" is simply a maintenance of the present situation with regards to the Internet's architecture, that is, transit providers agree to pass each other's network traffic without preference or prejudice... Without net neutrality, many ISPs have figured that they can introduce what is effectively variable-rate tolling"

Variable rates is a completely different issue from "preference or prejudice," and yet you speak of them in the same breadth.

Businesses routinely give volume discounts. This form of price discrimination has been studied and discussed ad nauseum, and there are absolutely no objections to it.

What makes bits and bytes different from prickles?

"There is absolutely nothing wrong with "net neutrality" on principle."

Well, it robs those that invested into infrastructure of fair return. You may see nothing wrong with that but it is wrong nonetheless.

48 posted on 10/20/2009 8:10:40 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: PghBaldy
Please cite a source.

I am not an expert on patent and copyright law, however, to my knowledge the duration of copyright has not changed since 1978. Patents are potentially affected by WTO, which may lengthen initial patent to 20 years (from 17 years for most patents now) but there would be no allowable extensions (another 17 years.) So, if anything, new treaty obligations would effectively shorten patent terms.

Anyway, the original poster spouts Stallman's crap about patents as if it were true. Among many inaccuracies FSF/Stallman claims the Founders did not intend to allow software patents. Complete nonsense. They clearly did not intend intellectual property protection to be extended merely to durable innovations. [FSF/Stallman in fact claim there is no such thing as intellectual property, and that merely using the phrase is impermissible.]

I notice, however, that in subsequent posts the author doesn't come back to defending Stallman. Perhaps he thinks the "great accomplishments" of GNU need no defending. Or perhaps he's finally actually read the GNU GPL, a promiscuous legal agreement that essentially sucks up any intellectual property even remotely connected to GNU and makes it "free;" (i.e. steals it) a document no person with an ounce of sense would sign on to actively or tacitly. In any event, if he wants to come back and debate Stallman with me, I would love it. The guy is just about the biggest whackjob alive.

49 posted on 10/20/2009 8:30:44 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: MN Doc
The Interstate Highway System and air traffic control are socialist programs, too, by these standards.

Please do tell me what part of Comcast or Time/Warner or Verizon's networks were built with taxpayer funds, and then I'll accept your lame comparison.

50 posted on 10/20/2009 8:33:39 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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