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Abbey's road [Case of a Benedictine college could foretell religious freedom's loss under Obamacare]
WORLD ^ | November 07, 2009 | Jamie Dean, Edward Lee Pitts

Posted on 10/23/2009 5:57:15 AM PDT by rhema

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1 posted on 10/23/2009 5:57:16 AM PDT by rhema
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To: Caleb1411; MHGinTN; Salvation; narses; cpforlife.org; wagglebee

2 posted on 10/23/2009 6:01:47 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema
Abbey's Road?


3 posted on 10/23/2009 6:05:13 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: Coleus

Ping


4 posted on 10/23/2009 6:07:00 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: NYer; Salvation

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5 posted on 10/23/2009 6:07:13 AM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: rhema

Why isn’t there a completely separate Catholic medical system connected with Catholic hospitals that offers medical care (and affordable health insurance) according to a Christian moral philosophy? It would seem to be that that OUGHT to be a top priority for Catholic bishops given all of the pro-life rhetoric. Walk the walk.


6 posted on 10/23/2009 6:11:20 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: rhema

If the courts rule against Belmont, the monks should announce the closing of the college. Put all of the faculty out of work. Then, in one year, open up a new college under a slightly different name with a “buy-your-own-health-insurance” policy and substantially higher teacher salaries to cover the cost. They’ll suffer financially for years, but eventually they’ll back on their feet, and they’ll be considered heroic defenders of the faith by Catholics everywhere.


7 posted on 10/23/2009 6:15:24 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

We used to have a very independent hospital system, precisely because US medical policy (anti-natalist, pro-contraception, pro-abortion, etc.) has never been friendly to Catholic teachings. However, after Vatican II, many of these institutionals effectively became non-Catholic by being turned over to lay boards whose priority was not the protection of Catholic ethical teachings. Also, the religious orders that had staffed these hospitals collapsed, making them financially difficult to support.

I think the time is ripe for the revival of the Catholic (truly Catholic) hospital system, once again staffed and run by religious orders who have ethical and religious motivations for doing so. With something like that in place, Catholics could set up their own insurance system that would remove any supposed need for the government to impose its own, along with its anti-life policies.


8 posted on 10/23/2009 6:20:57 AM PDT by livius
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To: vladimir998

The monks have said that if they lose, they will close the college.


9 posted on 10/23/2009 6:21:26 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
"However, after Vatican II, many of these institutionals effectively became non-Catholic by being turned over to lay boards whose priority was not the protection of Catholic ethical teachings. Also, the religious orders that had staffed these hospitals collapsed, making them financially difficult to support."

Just like the colleges, universities, and high schools.
It's a SERIOUS problem.
They need to start with pre-med and medical school education and training.
And they need to have a training program for priests, would-be bishops, and
vowed religious for hospital administration.

They should start with St. Luke's Gospel and Evangelium Vitae to develop
an understanding of healing as a Christian vocation. Many hospitals and
medical care options in the U.S. are terrible. Been in a hospital lately?
Industrial corporate medicine that views patients as numbers and cash cows.

Forget Obamacare and rebuild Catholic medicine and hospitals.

10 posted on 10/23/2009 6:31:38 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: rhema

It’s not clear why the EEOC reversed its original finding.

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It is clear to me. It took until May for someone in the Obama White House to “persuade” the local EEOC to reverse course.


11 posted on 10/23/2009 6:34:10 AM PDT by maica (Freedom consists not in doing what we like,but in having the right to do what we ought. John Paul II)
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To: livius
I'll say it: the women who filed the suit should be fired.
No one who engages in public agitation against Catholic teachings should be employed by a Catholic college. Period.
12 posted on 10/23/2009 6:36:23 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: vladimir998
Why does it have to be that complicated? Just drop the insurance coverage for ALL employees, and have them go out and buy their own -- however they see fit.

And if the government imposes an insurance mandate on all employees, then the school should do what any intelligent employer would do: fire all employees, rehire them as "contractors," and let them insure themselves as self-employed individuals.

13 posted on 10/23/2009 6:41:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I'll say it: the women who filed the suit should be fired.

Can't do it. It is illegal to retaliate against someone for filing an EEOC complaint. They would have an unlawful discharge lawsuit in addition to the discrimination lawsuit.

14 posted on 10/23/2009 6:54:01 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: rhema

Lster pingout.


15 posted on 10/23/2009 7:05:04 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: livius

My daughter is a junior at the University of Dallas, another authentically Catholic college. One of her professors is an alum of Belmont Abbey and he said the same, that they will close it rather than abide by this mandate.


16 posted on 10/23/2009 7:07:26 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: CA Conservative
You realize it's ridiculous.
If they didn't want to follow the church's teachings, they should have sought jobs
elsewhere. No one is forced to take a job at a Catholic college.
If they have hormonal problems and think they need birth control pills for some
other reason, they have to pay out of pocket not forcing a Catholic college
to pony up. There is a "freedom of religion" issue here constitutionally - the
college's and that of the Church not to be forced to pay for abortifacient birth
control. That's an unreasonable demand and if they feel that strongly about it
they should seek employment elsewhere - at a non-Catholic college.
17 posted on 10/23/2009 7:44:38 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Alberta's Child

You wrote:

“Why does it have to be that complicated?”

They’re being sued. Closing the school and reopening it may be the only legal way of ending their obligations to their teachers and making the lawsuits essentially moot.


18 posted on 10/23/2009 7:49:32 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: CA Conservative
Or to put it in plain terms - it's immoral to sue a Catholic college to try to force it
to go against Church teachings.
19 posted on 10/23/2009 7:53:08 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

I didn’t say I agreed with them - I was just pointing out that legally, they can’t be fired for filing the complaint.


20 posted on 10/23/2009 8:15:17 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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