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Various Examples of When a Long Form Birth Certificate is Required
10/26/2009 | Jay099

Posted on 10/26/2009 3:42:44 AM PDT by jay099

Here is a list of government and civilian websites that require a long form birth certificate.

1.) Snyder County, PA requires a long form birth certificate to obtain a US passport for anyone 15 years of age or younger:

"Even with a previous passport - a LONG form birth certificate is required..."

http://www.snydercounty.org/snyder/cwp/view.asp?a=730&Q=408544

2.) In the state of Massachusetts, a long form birth certificate is required to obtain a passport:

"A long form birth certificate is required for obtaining a passport and for travel outside the country."

http://www.dighton-ma.gov/Public_Documents/DightonMA_Clerk/clerk?textPage=1

3.) Once again, the state of Massachusetts requires a long for birth certificate for "proof of citizenship":

"If you were born in the United States, then a LONG FORM birth certificate is required – the long form must be certified with a raised seal (no photocopies)."

http://www.cityofmelrose.org/departments/assessing.htm

4.) In the state of Massachusetts, a long long for birth certificate is required in certain adoption cases:

"However, if grandchild is a dependent of a dependent under age 19, copy of grandchild’s certified (Long Form) birth certificate is required."

http://www.townofmarshfield.org/public_documents/MarshfieldMA_HR/PCHG%20Rules.pdf

5.) In Laredo, Texas a long for birth certificate is required for passport or immigration purposes:

"The long form Birth Certificate is required for PASSPORT or IMMIGRATION purposes."

http://www.laredotexas.gov/health/Birth%20-%20Death%20Application%20Final%20English%20%20Spanish%20Revised%20January%202009.pdf

6.) Presenting a short form birth certificate to obtain health insurance at IMS Health is "not acceptable":

"Photocopy of dependent's birth certificate. Must be a complete birth certificate which includes both parents' names; short form birth certificate is not acceptable."

http://staging.dakotagrp.com/3756_IMS_enrollment_guide_web/enroll/

7.) The only type of birth certificate that is acceptable by the South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control is a long form birth certificate.

"The only type of birth certificate acceptable for travel is a birth certificate long form."

"A short form certification or birth card (cannot be used for travel)."

http://www.scdhec.gov/administration/vr/birth.htm

8.) And last of all, to play little league in San Dimas, California, you must present a (yep, you guessed it) long form birth certificate. An abstract, like Obama's COLB, is "not acceptable".

"Supply a certified birth record and proof of residence. Abstract birth certificate is Not acceptable."

http://www.leaguelineup.com/sdlittleleague/files/Registration%20Flyer%202008.pdf

So, if a short form birth certificate is not sufficient evidence of citizenship in any of these cases, then why would it be sufficient to be President of the United States?


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; colb; dncfraud; kenyanfraud; kenyanlawrules; lastpresident; obama
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To: sickoflibs

Yes, you were arguing that. It’s obvious.

I said “candidate” because we were demanding to see his BC back when he was a candidate!

No one has ever said that a birth certificate is a requirement in the constitution. They would not have put that in there weren’t too many people at the time who had one. Today, every person running for president would have one and since it is the best evidence for birth and since the requirement in the constitution is that you must be natural born, the birth certificate must be seen. This is especially important in Obama’s case because his place of birth absolutely crucial to his natural born status.

We’re simply asking to see his BC and justifiably so. The burden of proof is on Obama. He has the BC. So what exactly are we supposed to prove?

You can’t criticize us for not having proof when so much of the evidence is being hid by Obama! It’s like a cop trying to figure out the identity of a suspect, so the suspect tells the cop that his name is Bill Smith, and the cop asks for a driver’s license for proof that his name is actually Bill Smith, but the guy refuses to give him his license and instead tells the cop that the cop has no proof that his name isn’t Bill Smith! And instead of just showing the cop his license he just goes on and on about being falsely accused and how the cop has no proof that he’s lying. Your logic just doesn’t make any damn sense!

Let me ask you this: Should Obama have even showed us his certification of live birth? The words “certification of live birth” isn’t in the constitution either. Using your flawed argument, he shouldn’t even have had to show a COLB, right?


101 posted on 10/27/2009 8:23:37 AM PDT by jay099
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To: jay099

Everyone is missing the obvious one- the entire reason this Birther thing got started. The left was challenging McCain’s NBC status. McCain provided to congress his birth certificate showing his Panama military base birth to citizen parents, and congress saw the issue so important they issued a statement declaring McCain a Natural Born Citizen.

The entire Obama Birther issue got started because, at first, the left was challenging McCain on this issue. The New York Times ran a story on what documents the candidates had released, and Hillary Clinton supporter, Phil Berg noticed that Obama hadn’t released anything- thus, the entire Birther movement was started- not by “Right Wing Nutjobs”, but by Liberal Democrats questioning both McCain and Obama’s NBC status.


102 posted on 10/27/2009 8:27:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Genoa; jay099; null and void; wannabegeek
RE :”sickoflibs, nothing personal, but I would never do business with you. You’re interested in what is technically required by the letter, but oblivious to what is the right thing to do according to the spirit of the law. Would you do me out of whatever you could get away with? That’s what Barry has done to the country. He has a moral obligation to be open and honest with the people.

Now you have given up the ‘I am defending the constitution’ argument ?? Good! I will get that one again a few times before this day is over.

Unfortunately this line of reasoning is just as silly.

Nothing personal?? LOL, First thing is he is elected president after being elected Senator of IL. He is not our friend or our business partner not our idea of the ideal president. He was elected. You sound like you have some idealistic ideas of standards of morality of those that hold office in Washington DC. I don't think you are that naive. As I remember it GWB didn't release his military records until pressure was turned up on him by press in 2004. Where was your idealistic morality then?? It was pure politics that got him to do that, much like this is pure politics. Except in this case no one will touch it because ,as I said many times on this thread, this is political poison.

103 posted on 10/27/2009 8:36:45 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: null and void

‘Trolls’ LOL. As I said earlier, some of you birth-certificaters are just MSNBC trolls looking to make all Obama opposers look nuts. That’s why MSNBC is the only one that gives your ‘issue’ air time.

We didnt say any of those things you posted in #100 before the election. It was up to McCain to decide what would sell politically and he wouldnt touch it. You could have formed a 527 then and ran ads on Obama’s BC, are you saying we talked you out of doing that??


104 posted on 10/27/2009 8:46:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: jay099
If you live in California, try applying for a US passport and tell them that you should not have to show your long form birth certificate (as is required in California) because people generations ago didn’t have birth certificates and yet they could still get passports.

I applied for a passport in California using my Illinois birth certificate, a short form that looks pretty much exactly like the Hawaii short form, with no more or less information on it. The guy at the passport office didn't question it. What isn't acceptable is a document that California issues called a Certified Abstract of Birth, because it lists the place the certificate was issued as the place of birth.You can find the information about what the State Dept accepts and doesn't accept here.

105 posted on 10/27/2009 8:47:15 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: sickoflibs

OK, I’ll play. Consider the pressure turned up. Now comes the part where Barry yields to the pressure....


106 posted on 10/27/2009 8:54:54 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I applied for a passport in California using my Illinois birth certificate, a short form that looks pretty much exactly like the Hawaii short form, with no more or less information on it. The guy at the passport office didn’t question it. What isn’t acceptable is a document that California issues called a Certified Abstract of Birth, because it lists the place the certificate was issued as the place of birth.You can find the information about what the State Dept accepts and doesn’t accept here.


I got my new US Passport a month ago. I live in San Diego. The state of California had ZERO input on granting me a passport, it is a federal government issue not a state issue.
I have ONLY a VERY short form New York state Certificate of Birth. My original birth certificate was issued by the hospital that I was born in and it was then registered with the state of New York. It was destroyed in a house fire 28 years ago and I’ve used the short form for every legal purpose since: mortgage applications, Social Security and Passports/Driver’s Licenses.


107 posted on 10/27/2009 8:57:39 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: Genoa; jay099; null and void; wannabegeek

RE :” Consider the pressure turned up. Now comes the part where Barry yields to the pressure....”

Considering that only MSNBC (and maybe CNN) wants to report on it, only to embarrass other non-birth-certificater Obama opposers. I wouldnt call that much pressure. Seems like he has all the cards on this one, and you birth-certificaters have the joker.


108 posted on 10/27/2009 9:02:50 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

So you don’t have a California birth certificate? You instead used your Illinois birth certificate to obtain a US passport. Obviously, it’s a California short form BC that is not acceptable for passport purposes. You couldn’t figure that out on your own? You had to attempt to correct me on something that you should’ve figured out yourself, huh?


109 posted on 10/27/2009 9:06:35 AM PDT by jay099
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To: sickoflibs
Seems like he has all the cards on this one, and you birth-certificaters have the joker.

"Truth forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne." We'll see who takes the last trick, sick.
110 posted on 10/27/2009 9:06:39 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: sickoflibs

Your comments about not using the constitution argument should be addressed to the person who made those comments, not me. Why don’t you just respond to what I actually said instead.

I don’t like how you are constantly trying to attribute comments and claims to people who have never made them.


111 posted on 10/27/2009 9:06:40 AM PDT by jay099
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To: jay099
You had to attempt to correct me on something that you should’ve figured out yourself, huh?

Perhaps if you hadn't phrased yourself so sloppily and said "the California Certified Abstract of Birth is not acceptable as identification to obtain a passport" rather than claiming that, for some reason, the state department's requirements in one state are different from those in another state, I wouldn't have felt compelled to correct you.

112 posted on 10/27/2009 9:17:12 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: sickoflibs

Yes, he does have all the cards: he has the BC, he has the passport records, he has the college records, and on and on. It’s time for him to lay down his cards and try some of that transparency he’s been talking about for so long.


113 posted on 10/27/2009 9:22:27 AM PDT by jay099
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To: jay099

“Yes, he does have all the cards: he has the BC, he has the passport records, he has the college records, and on and on. It’s time for him to lay down his cards and try some of that transparency he’s been talking about for so long.”


Why would you expect ANY politician of ANY political party or ideology to simply hand over information that his opponents might be able to use against him or her? Its on the opposition to uncover what might be damaging or incriminating.


114 posted on 10/27/2009 9:41:44 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

My point is that if you cannot get a passport with a California short form BC (AKA abstract). That point should’ve been clear to just about anyone, including you. When I said “if you live in California”, I was talking about people who were born and are still in California. Yes, it was a little unclear but c’mon, I didn’t think that would confuse anyone.

Your point is pointless. It’s like correcting someone for misspelling something.


115 posted on 10/27/2009 11:01:10 AM PDT by jay099
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To: jamese777

If he was born in Hawaii, like he says, why would showing his BC be damaging or incriminating?

I don’t really expect him to anyway, but I do expect the nation to demand it and the courts to force him to show it. The constitution requires a president to be a natural born citizen and Obama is hiding the best evidence for it.


116 posted on 10/27/2009 11:01:11 AM PDT by jay099
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To: jay099

RE :”Yes, he does have all the cards: he has the BC, he has the passport records, he has the college records, and on and on. It’s time for him to lay down his cards and try some of that transparency he’s been talking about for so long.”

Why would he do that? He has all the cards. This is working for him. It must not be ‘time’ like you say. Is your watch broken?


117 posted on 10/27/2009 11:17:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: jay099

The real problem with your post is a conflation of the Hawaii short form with the California Certified Abstract.There’s a specific reason that the California absract is not accepted for passport identification. That doesn’t mean that all short form birth certificates are invalid for that purpose.


118 posted on 10/27/2009 11:41:09 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: sickoflibs

Why? To prove that he meets the qualifications of the constitution. To prove that he’s not a hypocrite when he claimed that he was going to have the most transparent govt ever. But like I said earlier, I don’t expect him to ever willfully show his BC. Not someone like him. But he should and the country should force him to.

Why won’t you respond to what I said earlier? Is it because you know that your previous statements are illogical?

Here’s what I said:

“Yes, you were arguing that. It’s obvious.

I said “candidate” because we were demanding to see his BC back when he was a candidate!

No one has ever said that a birth certificate is a requirement in the constitution. They would not have put that in there weren’t too many people at the time who had one. Today, every person running for president would have one and since it is the best evidence for birth and since the requirement in the constitution is that you must be natural born, the birth certificate must be seen. This is especially important in Obama’s case because his place of birth is absolutely crucial to his natural born status.

We’re simply asking to see his BC and justifiably so. The burden of proof is on Obama. He has the BC. So what exactly are we supposed to prove?

You can’t criticize us for not having proof when so much of the evidence is being hid by Obama! It’s like a cop trying to figure out the identity of a suspect, so the suspect tells the cop that his name is Bill Smith, and the cop asks for a driver’s license for proof that his name is actually Bill Smith, but the guy refuses to give him his license and instead tells the cop that the cop has no proof that his name isn’t Bill Smith! And instead of just showing the cop his license he just goes on and on about being falsely accused and how the cop has no proof that he’s lying. Your logic just doesn’t make any damn sense!

Let me ask you this: Should Obama have even showed us his certification of live birth? The words “certification of live birth” isn’t in the constitution either. Using your flawed argument, he shouldn’t even have had to show a COLB, right?”


119 posted on 10/27/2009 11:46:26 AM PDT by jay099
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To: jay099

If he was born in Hawaii, like he says, why would showing his BC be damaging or incriminating?

I don’t really expect him to anyway, but I do expect the nation to demand it and the courts to force him to show it. The constitution requires a president to be a natural born citizen and Obama is hiding the best evidence for it.


On June 12, 2008 Obama posted to the World Wide Web the only proof of birth that he will probably ever need to show, his Certificate of Live Birth with the official seal of the state of Hawaii and the State Registrar’s signature affixed. That document says that he was born on Friday, August 4, 1961 at 7:24 P.M. in the city of Honolulu in the state of Hawaii. His birth was registered with the state of Hawaii on Tuesday, August 8, 1961.

The Director of the State of Hawaii’s Health Department has verified the information contained on that Certificate of Live Birth and she has declared Obama to be a “natural born citizen.”
The Constitution requires birth in the US and not to a foreign diplomat parent and being 35 years of age, ONLY. The Constitution does not ask what hospital you were born in or who was your father.

The Attorney General of Hawaii (a Republican named Mark Bennett) has the power under Hawaii statutes to seek a subpoena for Obama’s original birth records but in the year and a half that this controversy has been in the public, Bennett has not chosen to seek such a subpoena.
No one who opposes Obama would trust a document released by him anyway. Its best that the courts do it, if that is their legal will.
Thus far all attempts to secure release of Obama’s birth records through the courts and through the Supreme Court have failed. The Supreme Court has had five opportunities to entertain cases on Obama’s eligibility and it only takes four Justices to agree to hear a case before the full court (the “rule of four). That means that the conservative justices: Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts have not agreed to take on a case.


120 posted on 10/27/2009 11:58:32 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I never said that or even intimated that. Once again, your assumptions get you into trouble. The person I was responding to believed that because people who lived generations ago didn’t have BC’s, therefore people today shouldn’t have to show their BC as proof of birth. My argument was that that argument wouldn’t work today because everyone has a BC (Yes, there are probably a few who don’t have a BC. I say this just to make it clear to anyone who enjoys misunderstanding things) and showing that BC as proof of birth is a requirement in many cases. So, for example, I told him to try to use that argument in a place like California where you must present your long form BC to obtain a US passport (for those who were born in Cali, just to make it clear to anyone who enjoys misunderstanding things). His argument obviously wouldn’t work.

The entire point of this post is that there are many cases all throughout the country (including in Hawaii itself) where a short form BC (aka COLB, abstract) is not acceptable. Why? Lots of reasons. Mostly because it’s not the best evidence of birth. The long form is! So if a COLB is sometimes not good enough to get a passport, or sign up for health insurance, or even little league, then surely a COLB could never be good enough to be President of the United States!!


121 posted on 10/27/2009 12:04:19 PM PDT by jay099
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To: jay099
RE :” We’re simply asking to see his BC and justifiably so. The burden of proof is on Obama. He has the BC. So what exactly are we supposed to prove?

Not true. He was elected , then put in office and is now president. That puts all the burden of proof on you Birth-certificaters, not him.

RE :”You can’t criticize us for not having proof when so much of the evidence is being hid by Obama!

Let's just say you cant get the court to give you a search warrant because the judge says you have no probable cause, but you still want to convince everyone he is guilty of being born in the wrong place. Now true you might find all types of dirty underwear if you snoop around enough. But the judge says no. So you say he is guilty anyway, but no one cares.

122 posted on 10/27/2009 12:05:30 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs
The next Dual Citizen President is going to be thankful for this precedent being set.

Eventually we'll hit the lottery and have a Treasonous busturd in the oval office who plays golf while our troops get massacred, while crying for his help.

123 posted on 10/27/2009 12:38:20 PM PDT by PA-RIVER (Don't blame me. I voted for the American guy.)
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To: sickoflibs
If I am at a baseball game, and am asked to show my ticket, I have to show it. Even after I got through the gate.

This is why George Bush had no problem releasing every document from the National Guard, and every document at Harvard or Yale.

The American President used to be a position of openness, honesty and integrity. That all ended last November.

124 posted on 10/27/2009 12:44:45 PM PDT by PA-RIVER (Don't blame me. I voted for the American guy.)
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To: jamese777

You could not be more completely incorrect in just about everything you’ve said.

Obama posted his CertificatION of Live Birth (COLB, AKA short form), not his CertificATE of Live Birth (Long form BC). See the difference? So no, he did not post his Certificate of Live Birth.

The constitution requires a person to be a natural born citizen. It does not require “birth in the US” as you claim. A person can be born outside the US to two citizen parents and be natural born.

Of course the constitution doesn’t ask a person to show what hospital they were born in, the constitution does not require a person to show their BC either. It does, however, require a person to be a natural born citizen and the best evidence of that today, is a long form birth certificate that contains verifiable details such as the hospital’s name and attending physician’s name.

All court cases so far have been dropped on technical issues and have never been debated on the merits of the case.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong on everything in your ignorant statement. Learn something before you attempt to comment with any kind of legitimacy.


125 posted on 10/27/2009 12:53:48 PM PDT by jay099
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To: sickoflibs

How does being elected place the burden of proof on us? That makes no sense. Besides, we were asking for this long before he was elected. Using your logic, you’ve just admitted that the burden of proof was on him before he was elected but is now on us because he was elected.

We do have probable cause. He hasn’t proven that he’s eligible or even that he’s a citizen! Not to mention all of the news articles over the years claiming that he was born in Kenya or Indonesia, including the Honolulu Advertiser from his own state!

No, I don’t say he’s guilty. I just want proof.


126 posted on 10/27/2009 12:53:48 PM PDT by jay099
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To: PA-RIVER
RE :” If I am at a baseball game, and am asked to show my ticket, I have to show it

Not if you are president of the USA. The secret service wont let you near him.

RE :” The American President used to be a position of openness, honesty and integrity.

Are you smoking something? I don't remember that. Maybe there was less media investigations then. My grandmother used to say crazy stuff like that in the nursing home.

127 posted on 10/27/2009 1:01:18 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: jay099
It does, however, require a person to be a natural born citizen and the best evidence of that today, is a long form birth certificate that contains verifiable details such as the hospital’s name and attending physician’s name.

Obama's short form shows he was born in Hawaii. That's all that matters.

128 posted on 10/27/2009 1:05:39 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: jay099

You could not be more completely incorrect in just about everything you’ve said.

Obama posted his CertificatION of Live Birth (COLB, AKA short form), not his CertificATE of Live Birth (Long form BC). See the difference? So no, he did not post his Certificate of Live Birth.

The constitution requires a person to be a natural born citizen. It does not require “birth in the US” as you claim. A person can be born outside the US to two citizen parents and be natural born.

Of course the constitution doesn’t ask a person to show what hospital they were born in, the constitution does not require a person to show their BC either. It does, however, require a person to be a natural born citizen and the best evidence of that today, is a long form birth certificate that contains verifiable details such as the hospital’s name and attending physician’s name.

All court cases so far have been dropped on technical issues and have never been debated on the merits of the case.

You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong on everything in your ignorant statement. Learn something before you attempt to comment with any kind of legitimacy.


“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2009/07/dr-chiyome-fukino-confirms-president-obamas-natural-citizenship/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm


129 posted on 10/27/2009 1:10:38 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Drew68; LucyT; MHGinTN; BP2; null and void; pissant

Obama’s short form shows he was born in Hawaii. That’s all that matters.

_________________________________________________________
As if you are the authority on that matter. What a joke.


130 posted on 10/27/2009 1:44:01 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Drew68

Maybe that’s all that matters to you.

His COLB is basically a note written by the Director of Health stating that he has a BC. It’s a secondary document. It’s not the best evidence of his birth and secondary documents like his COLB often don’t work in many different cases. That is why we must see his BC.


131 posted on 10/27/2009 1:48:14 PM PDT by jay099
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To: jamese777

What’s your point? You didn’t even attempt to refute any of my criticisms (not that you can).

Congrats, you have just proven something that all of us already knew, that the Director of Health in Hawaii has said that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen. So what? Why the hell would we take their word for it when they’re all hiding the document that can actually PROVE it?


132 posted on 10/27/2009 1:48:15 PM PDT by jay099
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To: mojitojoe
As if you are the authority on that matter. What a joke.

My take on things is currently the reality of the situation. What have you birthers got? Dismissal after dismissal after dismissal with a few sanctions and fines thrown in for good measure.

So who's the authority on the matter?

133 posted on 10/27/2009 1:52:21 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: jamese777
Obama posted his CertificatION of Live Birth (COLB, AKA short form), not his CertificATE of Live Birth (Long form BC). See the difference? So no, he did not post his Certificate of Live Birth.

Point of order.

Obama did not post the alleged Hawaiian COLB.

Nor has he ever said that the COLB featured on fightthesmears and "verified" by FuctCheck is even his.

No one seems to know where this most important of all documents came from.

It just sorta showed up.

Like 0bama himself...

134 posted on 10/27/2009 2:02:19 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 278 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

The Pulitzer Prize winning investigative division of the St. Petersberg Times, Politifact did its own confirmation.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

And one more time, the Director of the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health has confirmed that Obama was born there and that he is a natural born citizen.
Her testimony, should any case ever make it to an actual trial will be a tough hurdle to overcome for any plaintiff.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm


135 posted on 10/27/2009 3:07:29 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

The fact that you tout Fukino asserting Barry is a natural born citizen proves your bias ... she hasn’t any legal basis to make such an assertion but you swallow that kool-aid with gusto! ... Because it reinforces what your worshipful mind wants for your affirmative action fraud-in-chief.


136 posted on 10/27/2009 4:23:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: null and void

The Pulitzer Prize winning investigative division of the St. Petersberg Times, Politifact did its own confirmation.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

And one more time, the Director of the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health has confirmed that Obama was born there and that he is a natural born citizen.
Her testimony, should any case ever make it to an actual trial will be a tough hurdle to overcome for any plaintiff.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm


137 posted on 10/27/2009 5:23:09 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: MHGinTN

The fact that you tout Fukino asserting Barry is a natural born citizen proves your bias ... she hasn’t any legal basis to make such an assertion but you swallow that kool-aid with gusto! ... Because it reinforces what your worshipful mind wants for your affirmative action fraud-in-chief.


I believe making such public statements would be in the job description of the person whose job it is to oversee and catalog all confidential vital records in the state of Hawaii. If you don’t like it, tough.


138 posted on 10/27/2009 5:25:30 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
:^) Tough enough, obamasycophant, tough enough. What flavor is that koolaid, skippy?
139 posted on 10/27/2009 5:27:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

:^) Tough enough, obamasycophant, tough enough. What flavor is that koolaid, skippy?


Yawn.


140 posted on 10/27/2009 5:31:06 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

You pitiful obamanoids can’t seem to comprehend that the legal basis for declaring your Pres_ _ent eligible is just as valid as the legal basis for declaring him ineligible ... which declaration of natural born status of course only worshipping sycophants will vest in the job description of a fraud like Fukino. But I suppose obamanoids can be forgiven their idiocy since Fukino is a ‘doctor’ ... LOL


141 posted on 10/27/2009 5:31:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: null and void; sickoflibs; Genoa; jay099; autumnraine; LucyT; MHGinTN; BP2; pissant
Before the primaries we made the case. Trolls like you said it wasn't the right time because he wasn't actually his party's candidate.

Before the main election we made the case. Trolls like you said it wasn't the right time because he wasn't actually the president elect.

Before the electoral college vote we made the case. Trolls like you said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually been elected until the electoral college said so.

Before the congress accepted the electoral college vote we made the case. Trolls like you said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually been approved until the congress accepted the electoral college vote.

Before was sworn in we made the case. Trolls like you said it wasn't the right time because he hadn't actually violated the constitution until he became president.

Now that he is president, trolls like you say it's too late, you should have said something sooner!

POST OF THE DAY!

STE=Q

142 posted on 10/27/2009 8:50:18 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: MHGinTN

You pitiful obamanoids can’t seem to comprehend that the legal basis for declaring your Pres_ _ent eligible is just as valid as the legal basis for declaring him ineligible ... which declaration of natural born status of course only worshipping sycophants will vest in the job description of a fraud like Fukino. But I suppose obamanoids can be forgiven their idiocy since Fukino is a ‘doctor’ ... LOL


You don’t need to be a doctor to look at a birth certificate and read what it says. After Fukino did that she issued an on the record statement: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...”
If you don’t like her or her statement, that’s fine with me, I could care less. Dr. Fukino serves at the pleasure of the Republican Governor of Hawaii and a McCain supporter, Linda Lingle.


144 posted on 10/27/2009 9:58:21 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
"Dr. Fukino serves at the pleasure of the Republican Governor of Hawaii and a McCain supporter, Linda Lingle."
That kind of misdirection is even more telling of your agenda at FR.

There is zero relevance to the morally compromised republican governor of Hawaii or the stealthy liberal McCain in this issue, other than Lingle has a vested interest int he past of Hawaiian demographic fraud which aided the leftist state to swell their population counts for federal benefits. [ There ya go, Obamanoid, that's your Axelgreasy diversionary cue to switch the discussion to whether HI committed registration fraud in thew past which Lingle has been told she had better not allow to surface at this juncture. ]

The issue is whether you want to keep swilling that koolaid which your affirmative action fraud pipes through such shills as Fukino ... surely you can't be so stupid as to believe Fukino is legally qualified to issue the declarative she spittled out for the benefit of koolaid drinkers like you.

145 posted on 10/27/2009 10:26:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: sickoflibs
Not sure why you decided to ping me, since I never have pinged you, nor posted to you, but here's my answer to your name calling. Now go play on the freeway.


146 posted on 10/27/2009 10:34:39 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Religion Moderator
I also pull posts which contain personal attacks.

Then why is this post stil up?

I have never pinged nor posted to this person, (until the response, shown below) and have no idea why he included me in his ping.

147 posted on 10/27/2009 10:52:22 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Religion Moderator
I also pull posts which contain personal attacks.

Then why is this post still up?

I have never pinged nor posted to this person, (until the response, shown below) and have no idea why he included me in his ping.

148 posted on 10/27/2009 10:52:45 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you.


149 posted on 10/27/2009 11:07:08 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

You were on STE=Q ping list for #142.


150 posted on 10/28/2009 4:44:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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