Skip to comments.How Can Glenn Beck Be Right on So Much and Yet Still Believe the book of Mormon? (serious question)
Posted on 10/26/2009 7:51:02 AM PDT by Scythian
I'm a huge Beck fan, in fact I'm listening right now here
but something really confuses me. It takes the ability to use real critical thinking to know what Beck (and most of us know about the state of the country and where we are heading). That is, we have the ability to discover the truth no matter how much the media or conventional wisdom try to hide it. Yet on Mormonism, Beck is cleary wrong. Any Christian knows that the book or momonism is severely flawed and that Joseph Smith was no prophet. How can Beck cut through all the chaff of what is going on in our world and come to the truth and yet believe the writings of Joseph Smith? It doesn't make sense? I'm not saying he's up to something secret, not by any means, it's just that he's so right about so many things and completely wrong on the most important thing. Now, he just said on the air that he believes Jesus is the Savior of the world and that he is Mormon.
I also think that because he is Mormon he is not attacked near as much if he was a Evangelical Bible only believer. Anyway, am I nutz or does Beck being a Mormon seem bizarre?
Compounding the error with mormonism isn't going to save the 6 billion, even if you could possibly succeed in finding and baptizing and confirming them alive OR dead into the mormon church.
You must think that Mormons are the most wrong, dangerous sect on the planet. Hmmm...I guess you find those terrorist to be more correct than Mormons. Ok, that is you point of view..
More accusations...to dispute mormonism is to embrace terrorism!
Are you guys in on the daily strategy conference calls between Obama and Emanuel, Carville, Axelrod and his other propagandists?
We were first described as "terrorists" a couple of years ago, and even adopted the "Imam" name as it was misspelled by one of your fellow mormons in a similar accusation. I believe you can see it hasn't affected us.
The burden of proof still resides with the LDS, as it will until the end of time. Shooting the messenger does as little for your cause as attacking the truth Fox presents about the Administration helps Obama.
You were right, just off 180 degrees.
I have Christ and Rome, Herod and Jerusalem, Caesar and Bethlehem.
Taken, perhaps, indeed likely.
He says, as he pours out vitriol by the gallon, ROTFL!! No further comment is necessary.
So you have nothing.
And where’s the disagreement? I think it is pretty factual and think there is nothing wrong with those points.
However, I would emphasize that Mormons are henotheistic just like Jews of the Old Testament were and similiarly to a significant portion of early Christians before the Trinity doctrine. In henotheism there is only one God who leads. Even Christ submitted his will unto the Father; I know I know the argument of the Trinity, but as you can see the scriptures be shown to support that point of view.
Furthermore, apostheism (spelling?) or exaltation is found in other sects, such as Greek Orthodox for example. So I don’t think there is anything wrong with that point of view and I don’t disagree.
Can only do so much....
Mormons stole from Masons who stole from the Templars who stole from the 1st century Jews who stole from Solomon’s temple who stole from Moses who stole from God.
Well, that a pretty simplified summary, but a Mormon would say it was altered throughout time, and it was restored and corrected, etc.
Get me a Jew and I will say it! It’s pretty well documented. Do you want sources?
The relationship of exaltation as becoming god belongs solely to the LDS.
As far as the rest, God stated he was the one and only.
The fact that people wanted to drag their old pagan and other gods along for the ride into Christianity was dismissed early on. Indeed such erroneous teachings was what inspired Constantine to bring together the Christian leadership at Nicea.
The Jews also dismissed such cultural and primitive artifacts of their religion thousands of years ago as the nature of God and his laws were better understood.
Furthermore those who use henotheism to explain the concept of God and Christ being different persons have been forced to ignore the very plain relationship made evident in the the OT and NT that in the beginning was the Word and the word WAS God and that when Christ came he was the Word made flesh. No indication of any separation there. The Word did not make Christ, the word WAS Christ.
However I do appreciate your honesty, you have been the first to not avoid the issue.
I agree that LDS make a larger emphasis on Exaltation/Theosis by making it more universal, but it is not unique to them. I maybe mistaken about Greek Orthodox, but in terms of Theosis and Eastern Christology, it is a doctrine and it was touched on by some of the founding fathers of Christianity.
Don’t want to overload the discussion, but here is such an example.
St. Athanasius of Alexandria wrote, “God became man so that man might become god.” [the second god is always lowercase] (On the Incarnation 54:3, PG 25:192B). His statement is an apt description of the doctrine. What would otherwise seem absurdthat fallen, sinful man may become holy as God is holyhas been made possible through Jesus Christ, who is God incarnate. Naturally, the crucial Christian assertion, that God is One, sets an absolute limit on the meaning of theosis: it is not possible for any created being to become (ontologically) God, or even part of God (the henosis of Greek Neoplatonic philosophy).
However note even the simple fact that the second god in St. Athanasius quote is always lower case.
We do not become God's equal, and we certainly do not get our own world and a license to create spirit children.
As with most works of the Fathers of the Church they speak in metaphorical terms, knowing good and well there is only room in the universe for one creator, one deity, one God, as did the people who read their words.
Yes, I’d like sources that don’t have Mormonism attached to them. I’d like Jewish sources.
(Do you pull this same stunt w/apostasy-blaming Mormon missionaries? "Get to work, Lds missionary. The 70 hours of slave labor we employ you each week isn't enough -- 'cause you're only focusing on the mission of your assigned town -- and missing out on the 6 billion who aren't part of the Lds church elsewhere. Think of the economy of only wasting your time on a single location.")
(Signed. Logic-lacking Lds)
Now I thought you were here to present things "honestly"? Now you start claiming this tripe? Judaism is monotheistic - period. Ask God Himself -
Isa 43:10* Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Pretty exclusive and clear. There are no other god - period.
Even Christ submitted his will unto the Father; I know I know the argument of the Trinity, but as you can see the scriptures be shown to support that point of view.
Sorry, your 'say so' that the scriptures show otherwise don't wash here. Try to form a cognizant argument please.
With no basis for that theory other than the fabrications of Joseph Smith.
Still waiting for something in the way of actual proof.
I don't think Now and Later was being completely disingenuous just repeating a “fact” from the apologist mantra, one made up from a bit of twisting of the real truth.
In specification saying the Jews of the Old Testament as a religion were henotheistic is not quite accurate.
The truth that forms the basis of the LDS “facts” in this regard is that there were factions among the Israelites that recognized other gods. Some were even polytheistic to at least some degree. The false idols and such in the Movie Ten Commandments for example point this out. For lack of a better way of putting it some were not as 'Jewish" as others, there were not following the Jewish faith as it really was but adding things from other cultures that they arose from or were exposed to as they saw fit. Sounds familiar...
Anyways, it did not help that definitive law was still not quite in place yet.
The Burning Bush rapidly brought these practices to an end.