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Zinni to Obama: Time’s Up on Afghanistan Decision
WSJ ^ | 10/26/09 | August Cole

Posted on 10/26/2009 11:04:02 AM PDT by pissant

Anthony Zinni stepped up his call for the Obama administration to quit dillydallying and send more troops to Afghanistan to fight the insurgency.

A counterinsurgency strategy, he said, would work better over the long run than continuing narrower counterterrorism operations that target Taliban and al Qaeda leaders.

The retired Marine Corps general, who had been the top commander in the Middle East and Central Asia, said the Obama administration needs more forces in Afghanistan quickly. Zinni said his own son was among the troops waiting to be deployed, adding: “I think that we owe them a decision. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why we’re still waiting for one.”

Zinni, who spent considerable time working with the Pakistani and Indian governments while he headed Centcom during the Clinton administration, told the International Peace Operations Association’s annual conference that a counterinsurgency strategy in Afghanistan could better resolve the nettlesome problems with Taliban and al Qaeda fighters and drug production. The association is a trade group for battlefield contractors; Zinni is chairman of BAE Systems Inc., the U.K. defense giant’s U.S. arm.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; larrysinclairslover; obama
Even the anti-Bushies know Obama is dithering.
1 posted on 10/26/2009 11:04:04 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Yes, Zinni was anti-Bush and I’ll bet he’s speaking here as a Clinton surrogate.


2 posted on 10/26/2009 11:07:11 AM PDT by clintonh8r (My country. Not my government.)
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To: pissant

Time for the left to throw another General under the bus.


3 posted on 10/26/2009 11:08:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: pissant

LOLOL....Zinni was a PAIN in the butt to Pres. Bush....and now he is after pino!.

I love it.


4 posted on 10/26/2009 11:09:01 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: clintonh8r

“Yes, Zinni was anti-Bush and I’ll bet he’s speaking here as a Clinton surrogate.”

Correct. He’s paving the way for a Hillary! challenge.


5 posted on 10/26/2009 11:09:39 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: pissant
“This cannot be America’s war,” he said

It is always Americas war.........win the damn thing.

6 posted on 10/26/2009 11:10:06 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: pissant

Surprising that Zinni is speaking out to Zer0 but he’s right.


7 posted on 10/26/2009 11:10:46 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: pissant

Is this just breaking? dillydallying, funny!


8 posted on 10/26/2009 11:12:00 AM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: Kakaze

It is NOT America’s war. This is a futile nation-building operation to prop up a vote-stealing, drug dealing, corrupt politician. To call a with those goals “winnable” is a contradiction in terms. Bring home the troops so they can defend the United States not “spread democracy” to Kabul.


9 posted on 10/26/2009 11:14:35 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: jazusamo

Zinni was wrong in his criticism of Bush and equally wrong now. The generals ALWAYS want more troops. They don’t have to do the fighting after all. Bring ‘em home.


10 posted on 10/26/2009 11:15:39 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: pissant
Zinni said his own son was among the troops waiting to be deployed, adding: “I think that we owe them a decision.

There are going to be many Zinni’s in this country who will hold the CIC personally responsible if something happens to their son's while the idiot in Washington plays golf. I'm one.

11 posted on 10/26/2009 11:17:20 AM PDT by Recon Dad (It's a shame that stupidity isn't painful)
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To: clintonh8r
"Yes, Zinni was anti-Bush and I’ll bet he’s speaking here as a Clinton surrogate."

I know Zinni a little bit. He's reflective of many of the General grade officers I have known - not exceptionally political, and they base their opinions on practical experience and history, rather than a political orthodoxy. Frequently, they find themselves at odds with both parties.

If you read Zinni's autobiography - the one that was written with Tom Clancy - many of his criticisms of the 2003 Iraq invasion of very valid.

And, you may or may not remember, but Zinni enthusiastically supported the troop surge in 2007 - something that didn't get nearly as much publicity as his opposition to Rumsfeld's war planning. You may also remember that Hilary and Bill (and Obama) were all against the surge - placing them at odds with Zinni. I don't think Zinni is anyone's shill.

12 posted on 10/26/2009 11:19:32 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: GoCards

dillydallying....is that like wee-weeing...?


13 posted on 10/26/2009 11:19:40 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obama can't unjump the shark "Obama Wa Nobel-sho Ni Ataeshinai" ("Obama Unworthy of Nobel Prize"))
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To: pissant

>.For the life of me, I can’t figure out why we’re still waiting for one.”

Because my dear chap, you bought his BS!

Get a Life, Zinni, you got rolled by the man.


14 posted on 10/26/2009 11:21:58 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: Captain Kirk

You and other Paulbots agree.


15 posted on 10/26/2009 11:22:00 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: OldDeckHand

Some of that I remember and some of it I don’t....but wasn’t Zinni an advisor to Hillary Clinton after he retired?


16 posted on 10/26/2009 11:23:25 AM PDT by clintonh8r (My country. Not my government.)
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To: jazusamo

I guess when your son’s life is involved, its different.


17 posted on 10/26/2009 11:26:21 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Yes, I wouldn’t doubt that has something to do with it but after the surge worked in Iraq he may believe it’ll work now. I’d like to think he believes that.


18 posted on 10/26/2009 11:30:08 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

You can bet the Left won’t be quoting him the way they have when he was bucking Bush. We’ll probably hear nothing more about this.


19 posted on 10/26/2009 11:35:48 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: clintonh8r
"Some of that I remember and some of it I don’t....but wasn’t Zinni an advisor to Hillary Clinton after he retired?"

In the world of military advisers, that's not always relevant. Jack Keane was an adviser to Obama, but as one of the principle architects and advocates of the Iraq troop surge, I'd hardly call Keane a liberal, pacifist or Democrat shill.

Too many people make the mistake of assigning some kind of political-connection when many General officers speak out publicly about contemporary military issues or foreign policy challenges. Infrequently, these are overt and intentional political endorsements - like those from McPeak or Wesley Clark. More often than not, they're just candid and apolitical statements on particular issues.

People, who don't have any experience in the military, or at that level in the military, mistakenly and reflexively call these retired officers shills, or sympathizers or some other such nonsense.

The fact of the matter is many of the criticisms of the pre-Iraq war invasion were accurate and prescient, no matter how critical they were of Bush and especially Rumsfeld. And, many criticisms weren't addressed or fixed until the surge.

20 posted on 10/26/2009 11:37:46 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: pissant

Yesterday Orin Hatch chastised Republicans
for saying Barry was dithering.
Hatch said he was just taking a long time to make a decision.
Barry has become the Chief Democrat Fundraiser and the Chief Fun Raiser.
Isn’t that what being a Commander in Chief is all about ?
Barry has ordered that Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez be the new White House seal.


21 posted on 10/26/2009 11:42:05 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: spokeshave

dillydallying....is that like wee-weeing...?

more like dithering...


22 posted on 10/26/2009 11:43:00 AM PDT by ronnied
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To: OldDeckHand

An informative post, a nice antidote to some of the kneejerkiness prevalent at times.


23 posted on 10/26/2009 11:45:20 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I’m sure all that’s true, but the fact remains that Zinni took a much more public position than most retired general officers. I still believe that the Clintons are speaking on this issue through Zinni.


24 posted on 10/26/2009 11:58:31 AM PDT by clintonh8r (My country. Not my government.)
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To: clintonh8r
"I’m sure all that’s true, but the fact remains that Zinni took a much more public position than most retired general officers."

But, most other retired officers weren't just forced out by Rumsfeld. Remember, Zinni was Bush's special envoy to the Middle-east, prior to the invasion. Zinni gave Bush some advice that was counter to what Rumsfeld was offering, and quickly Zinni found himself persona non grata, which coincidentally is very much the position that McChrystal will be finding himself in, if he hasn't already.

Guys like Zinni - Keane, Garner, and now McChrystal - say what they believe, not what's going to be popular and they don't acquiesce to the prevailing political opinions. That is all we can ask of our retired General officers. When Bush was CIC, some of these opinions were in contradiction to Bush policy. And, in many instances, the retired Generals were right - the post-war planning was inadequate, there weren't nearly enough troops, and an insurgency was incubated precisely because of the draconian debathification.

In this case, Zinni is giving his honest assessment about Afghanistan and the surge. Since it doesn't support the liberal political narrative, I doubt it will attract nearly as much MSM attention, although it clearly should.

25 posted on 10/26/2009 12:16:14 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: jazusamo

Yes.....and?


26 posted on 10/26/2009 3:07:28 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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