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Guns for sale: No background check needed(NV)
unlvrebelyell.com ^ | 29 October, 2009 | Husna Najand

Posted on 10/30/2009 8:29:37 AM PDT by marktwain

UNLV REBEL YELL 2009

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To capture the essence of a classic Socratic quandary, imagine this scenario: You know that the right thing to do is to return your friend’s gun to him or her if you have taken it. But should you return it if you know that person is mentally unstable and would use it against others?

I’m betting that most people would say no, and with good reason. Even though the Second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, in reality, not everyone has the right to gun ownership – the background check is a mechanism to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands.

It’s a simple enough concept but one that is not enforced as often as it should be.

The background check is basically non-existent at events like gun shows – forums where private sellers convene for a great American pastime: lusting after guns.

In the black market, I would expect for just about anyone to walk right up to a seller and buy a gun, no questions asked. So why is the shadow of the black market falling on a legal venue?

To expose gun shows for their lax take on background checks, Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City commissioned a sting operation that went beyond its borders. Investigators equipped with hidden cameras went to seven different shows across the country, including one in Reno, Nev.

Their results were appalling. They found that many gun sellers simply did not care to whom they were selling, even if it meant selling to a guy who told them himself that he would not be able to pass a background check.

Private sellers, by law, are not required to conduct background checks, so there is a gun show “loophole.”

But the law does say this: If the seller has reason to believe that a background check is in order, they cannot sell a gun. If they continue with the sale in such a situation, it is considered a felony – plain and simple.

But undercover investigators found that even when buyers blatantly admitted that they would not pass background checks, they were sold the guns anyway.

To such admissions, the sellers responded with “I couldn’t pass one either,” or laughs and conspiratorially winks. One seller dared to “jokingly” ask if the inquirer had “done something bad.” One simply stated that he “did not care.” Bloomberg is an advocate of closing the loophole nationwide, either through national or state legislation, and this sting makes an excellent case for doing so.

Advocates of the “gun show loophole” claim such occurrences are rare. Well, as proven in the sting operation, I wouldn’t exactly call 19 out of 30 sellers willing to sell a gun to someone who says they will not pass a background check a rarity. I call that 63 percent.

Even if it’s true that most sellers ask questions, the claim is not sufficient to convince me that the loophole should remain. Because even if most check, there are plenty that don’t ask questions and disregard red flags waving right in their faces. Also, is it safe to assume that the potential gun buyers would respond honestly even if they were asked questions? It makes no sense.

I don’t see how any rational person would have a problem with getting rid of the loophole. The shows would still run and people would still be allowed to buy guns.

Demanding that the loophole be shut down is not tantamount to taking away constitutional rights from a mentally stable, law-abiding citizen. But it does ensure that fewer guns fall into suspicious and unsavory hands.

But for some reason, the National Rifles Association tried to diminish the significance of this investigation.

In a statement to CNN, the NRA said, “We believe anyone who breaks the law should be arrested, prosecuted and punished.

Instead of working with law enforcement to bring those who may have broken the law to justice, Bloomberg chose to use this information for a press conference. Bloomberg’s priorities are clearly media first, justice later.”

But along with bringing criminals to justice, in a democracy, it is crucial that such information be shared with citizens to clear misconceptions. Nineteen of the 30 sellers broke the law. That speaks volumes in itself, particularly in conveying just how easy it is for guns to change hands.

Of course, the NRA wouldn’t want media coverage of this issue. But we deserve to know the truth.

Closing the loophole would mean fewer guns for those who are not qualified to get them. But it seems that the NRA’s priority, as much as they scoff Bloomberg, is to make it as easy to sell as many guns as possible, regardless of the hands they may fall into.

While they may be all for enforcement of the law, actions speak louder than words – or in this case, the lack of action in advocating the closure of a dangerous loophole.

As far as I’m concerned, there should be no difference in the requirements for background checks when it comes to licensed gun dealers or private sellers.

At the end of the day, they are selling a deadly weapon and have no right to treat this with a cavalier attitude. Proper background checks are not infringing on anyone’s right – that tired argument needs to be put to rest.

To preserve public safety, it is imperative that guns not be sold to established criminals, future criminals or mentally unstable persons in such an open and easily accessible arena.

The gun show in Las Vegas starts on Saturday and lasts through the weekend.

I wonder just how many of us could go up to a private seller, tell him or her that we could not pass a background check and walk out of there with a firearm.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; gunshow; nv
The article is poorly reasoned and rather ignorant, but the comments are excellent.
1 posted on 10/30/2009 8:29:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
ignorant

I would say intentionally dishonest rather than ignorant, but that's just my opinion.

2 posted on 10/30/2009 8:35:08 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: marktwain
The background check is basically non-existent at events like gun shows – forums where private sellers convene for a great American pastime: lusting after guns.

Stopped right there.
Pure bullshit.
3 posted on 10/30/2009 8:35:15 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: marktwain

This “journalist” has done absolutely NOTHING to qualify any of their statements, and they’ve obviously taken every talking point from the likes of the Brady campaign. Gun shows are legal gatherings of like-minded gun owners trading, selling, bartering, and buying modern and not-so-modern weaponry. Vendors who work these shows are required to conduct background checks and adhere to waiting periods as proscribed by local and state governments.

This article is typical liberal claptrap and the write should be made to account for sources.


4 posted on 10/30/2009 8:35:59 AM PDT by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
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To: marktwain
I wonder just how many of us could go up to a private seller, tell him or her that we could not pass a background check and walk out of there with a firearm.

Sounds to me like the author, Husna Najand, should give it a shot and report back.

5 posted on 10/30/2009 8:39:52 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Keep your dog. Get rid of a Liberal.)
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To: marktwain
You know that the right thing to do is to return your friend’s gun to him or her if you have taken it. But should you return it if you know that person is mentally unstable and would use it against others?

I don't have any friends like this. I doubt many people on this forum do either. The question also has to be posited: How or why would I have this "friend's" gun anyway?

Also, if I go to cash a check and tell the teller I'm going to go buy a gun or drugs with it, should they stop me? How would they know I'm not joking? Do we want to turn that teller into an agent of law enforcement, requiring them to report my remarks to law enforcement?

The "evidence" presented in this article is all anecdotal, and was "gathered" by one of the most anti-gun mayors in the world. I'm sure every word of it is complete, accurate, and reliable. Videotaping these interactions gives them only slightly more credibility.

6 posted on 10/30/2009 8:41:33 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: marktwain

I do agree that the mentally incompetent author of this article should not have a gun.

Besides that, it’s (can’t determine gender from name) probably a mohammadan and shouldn’t be allowed to have a gun in the U.S. until it renounces its religion.


7 posted on 10/30/2009 8:48:35 AM PDT by Skenderbej
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Biggest pile of BS I read on gun shows. Anything coming from Michael Bloomberg has to be followed by a BS rating.
8 posted on 10/30/2009 8:51:34 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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There are over 200 million guns in American hands and, except for in the black community, these guns are remain silent except when taking to the gun range or on a hunting trip.


9 posted on 10/30/2009 8:55:39 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: marktwain

How bout the same checks and requirements for people requesting gov’t handouts.


10 posted on 10/30/2009 9:02:16 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: marktwain
To expose gun shows for their lax take on background checks, Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City commissioned a sting operation that went beyond its borders. Investigators equipped with hidden cameras went to seven different shows across the country, including one in Reno, Nev.

It is clear that Mayor Michael Bloomberg ordered and paid for a number of straw purchases that crossed State lines. Where is the Prosecution?

11 posted on 10/30/2009 9:15:02 AM PDT by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To preserve public safety, it is imperative that guns not be sold to established criminals, future criminals or mentally unstable persons in such an open and easily accessible arena.

We should also muzzle ignorant, lying leftist journalists to protect the public from being exposed to total BS in written form. Some people will believe anything they read. Mental instability in such an open and accessible arena as the internet should not be tolerated.

12 posted on 10/30/2009 9:20:04 AM PDT by Myrddin
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2374405/posts

If IT is in Vermont, charge IT $500.00, LOL.

13 posted on 10/30/2009 9:24:31 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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The ATF controls these shows. Every single agent in Nevada is at a Nevada gun show. They work with the promoters, they have straw buyers trying to trip up sellers, they have informants by the ton they don’t even have to pay - like this anti-American and anti-Constitutional useful idiot.


14 posted on 10/30/2009 9:29:14 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: marktwain

I think that a bigger concern right now is the fact that voters have put an unqualified marxist into the White House without an adequate background check. And he is the Commander in Chief of a military with far more firepower than one would ever see at a gun show.


15 posted on 10/30/2009 9:48:04 AM PDT by meyer ("I went to Europe to buy the Olympics for Chicago and all I got was this silly Nobel")
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I thought this was going to be about a gun maker inside the state, only selling for use in the state.... :(


16 posted on 10/30/2009 10:29:45 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: marktwain

Yeah, the comments are great. Author taken to the woodshed.


17 posted on 10/30/2009 10:56:17 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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But should you return it if you know that person is mentally unstable and would use it against others?

There's a difference between already having clear evidence, vs. going on "fishing expeditions". The more accurate question is: But should you return it if for all you know that person is mentally stable like anyone else and "would not hurt a fly" (save only to defend innocent life)?

Stopped there. If the author has to be mortally suspicious of his own friends, his further opinions are not worth my time.

18 posted on 10/30/2009 11:37:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (End the coup!)
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The background check is basically non-existent at events like gun shows

Author is either ignorant or dishonest. The premise is false.

Rest of the article is pointless.

19 posted on 10/30/2009 11:41:29 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain

B.S. Alert!

20 posted on 10/30/2009 12:18:01 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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I don’t see how any rational person would have a problem with getting rid of the loophole.

Yeah, but I'm not rational.

Hell, DHS thinks I'm a possible terrorist.

21 posted on 10/30/2009 1:04:10 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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The lefties were so upset when ACORN was “set up” in an undercover sting but think it’s just aces when gun show vendors are “set up.”

Unless the purchaser is truly a felon then no crime was commited. A buyer who says he “might” not be able to pass a background check does not mean that the sale can’t legally go through. Most people don’t know what does and does not disqualify a person from firearms ownership.

I miss the olden days when FFL’s were prohibited from selling at gun shows. The shows were all people who loved guns and wanted to sell/trade among themselves. Now they’re largely just extensions of storefront showrooms and prices are much higher.


22 posted on 10/30/2009 2:38:09 PM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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