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Did Humans Evolve from 'Ardi'? (or does Ardi represent the latest in evolutionary storytelling?)
ACTS & FACTS ^ | November 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 11/03/2009 9:26:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Ardipithecus ramidus is an extinct primate whose fossilized remains were first found along the Awash River in Ethiopia about fifteen years ago. Many fragments were collected, including shattered bones from a four-foot-tall female nicknamed "Ardi." She was chosen to represent her kind, apparently because of the comparative completeness of her remains.

Now Ardi's discoverers believe they have collected enough data to reconstruct her history--but what does their data actually reveal? ...

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


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1 posted on 11/03/2009 9:26:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

NO I decesnded form Adam and Eve, Noah and his son Japheth.


2 posted on 11/03/2009 9:29:40 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Amen to that!


3 posted on 11/03/2009 9:34:01 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It was supposed to be Ida? What happened with that?


4 posted on 11/03/2009 9:40:24 AM PST by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well, according to some of my in-laws, I’m related to several kinds of slime-mold... ;-P


5 posted on 11/03/2009 9:40:54 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here's the last line from this "science" article:

See? Just like it says in Genesis! The End.

Brian Thomas, M.S.* never fails to entertain. I am anxiously awaiting the posting of a peer-reviewed article by BTMS*.

6 posted on 11/03/2009 9:45:05 AM PST by Buck W.
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To: GodGunsGuts

I heard a rumor that the scientists discovered a small label on Ardi that read “Made in China”.


7 posted on 11/03/2009 9:47:02 AM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Erase Socialism)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Paleoanthroplogists are always forced to make assumptions, and then assumptions based on their assumptions. Things can get pretty muddy pretty fast when one operates in this manner. But, not to worry, the rules (i.e. established assumptions) of evolutionary theory are always there to catch the beleaguered scientist when all else fails.

They also love to be the researcher presenting the most recent big discovery. Limelight equals renewed research grants and maybe even a new car.

8 posted on 11/03/2009 9:47:31 AM PST by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

When “Man” received the ability to choose right from wrong and obtained his immortal soul our evolution began. IMHO


9 posted on 11/03/2009 9:49:28 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Buck W.

I agree. He, on rare occasions, actually comes up with a valid critique and then never builds on it - jumping to Genesis instead. It’s like the poor kid had to turn in a paper in the morning and dashed it off as quickly as possible hoping to at least make a C.


10 posted on 11/03/2009 9:55:21 AM PST by FormerRep
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To: MNDude
==It was supposed to be Ida? What happened with that?

Get ready to put on your surprised look...

Ida Missed Her Link to Humans

11 posted on 11/03/2009 9:56:33 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: US Navy Vet

We have found the missing link... His name is Adam.


12 posted on 11/03/2009 10:02:12 AM PST by shineon
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To: 353FMG

That’s false advertising. Ardi’s ancestors were created by God on Day 6 of Creation Week.


13 posted on 11/03/2009 10:07:27 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: 353FMG

LOL!


14 posted on 11/03/2009 10:09:32 AM PST by cvq3842 (A fool and his liberty are soon parted.)
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To: Don Corleone

Just out of curiosity, what do you base this belief of yours on???


15 posted on 11/03/2009 10:14:08 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: shineon

Amen to that too!...LOL!!!


16 posted on 11/03/2009 10:15:15 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

...................Ardi...................................Arni

One is a missing link, the other is missing a spine

17 posted on 11/03/2009 10:15:20 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: GodGunsGuts

No.
Yes.


18 posted on 11/03/2009 10:22:12 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kidd
You win!!! It's proved!!
19 posted on 11/03/2009 10:22:27 AM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

[[In his assessment of the significance of Ardipithecus ramidus, bipedality expert C. Owen Lovejoy wrote, “We can no longer rely on homologies with African apes for accounts of our origins and must turn instead to general evolutionary theory.”2 Thus, setting aside evolution-inspired ideology, there is no scientific reason—or observed evidence—to believe that Ardi was an ancestor of mankind. In fact, there is every reason to believe it is solely an extinct primate, as uniquely created as any monkey still alive today.]]

This is a gross fallacy. Lovejoy says in this case to go from specific to general evolutionary theory. The author interprets this to mean to abandon evolutionary theory and completely discount it as unscientific.

[[Based on the Bible’s description of origins, one would predict that all “hominids” should actually be either wholly man or wholly ape. Based on the scientific evidence, Ardipithecus was clearly an ape, and as such fits the Genesis account that each creature group was created as its own kind.]]

A combination of two gross fallacies.

1) Appeal to authority. It’s impossible to obtain legitimate scientific results by using the Bible to interpret scientific theories. The Bible is not a legitimate source of science, any more than a science textbook is a legitimate source of religion.

2) Circular reasoning. Based on the scientific evidence, all hominids are apes. To say that humans are not apes because only apes are apes is fallacious.

If you want to use the authority of the Bible to say that evolution is not a legitimate theory, go right ahead. But attempting to use science to refute it is not going to work, especially if those attempting it don’t understand basic science, as is clearly being demonstrated by this website.


20 posted on 11/03/2009 10:26:16 AM PST by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Let’s see what People Magazine says.


21 posted on 11/03/2009 10:29:15 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GodGunsGuts
Alley Oop becomes Ardi OOPS? Putting Ardi together was a bit like going through a junkyard and gathering up auto parts to build a partial vehicle. True some of the parts don't fit very well but with a little hammering and grinding a match can be made.

Now that a frame has been constructed we can imagine how a body might fit on it and suggest how the former owners lived and what they used the vehicle for and even the color of the machine.

Of course, looking at our creation we see something wrong...all four wheels are one side but while it might make the vehicle move oddly, still it fits the story we constructed from the frame we constructed from the parts we “adjusted” producing the body we imagined.

The Ardimobile crashes and burns.

22 posted on 11/03/2009 10:40:52 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: spinestein; GodGunsGuts

Good post ... Thank you ... Meanwhile, let me quote — on topic — from Steve Jones’ book “Darwin’s Ghost,” published ten years ago. From page 322 we have ...

“About fifteen million years after the emergence of the first primate, the predecessors of apes appear. A molecular clock based on inserted viruses suggests that the lines to chimp, to gorilla and to humans split some five million years ago. A dozen or so hominines — as the branch upon which we belong is called — have lived since then (although how many are real entities is hard to assess). Over that period, there appeared Ardipithecus (four and a half million years old and of intermediate form); several kinds of Australopithecus (an African primate from around a million years later which was, roughly speaking, a human below the neck but an ape above): and Homo habilis (an animal defined as having crossed the central rubicon of brain size needed to qualify for our own family).” .

And etc. Then more ...

“The first members of our own species, Homo sapiens, arose about a hundred and fifty thousand years ago. By the time the miseries of the ice ages were over we were, more or less, ourselves, with smaller brains in a thin skull on a slim and elegant body.”

For what it’s worth ... Go with knowledge.


23 posted on 11/03/2009 12:31:49 PM PST by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil is found in the irrational.)
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