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Election 2009: Change We Can Believe In (Vanity)
self | November 5, 2009 | Jim Davis

Posted on 11/05/2009 5:20:08 AM PST by Philo1962

Our online activists have been very, very busy. Using Facebook, Twitter, e-mail and cell phones, we've been directing hundreds of thousands of dollars into the Doug Hoffman and Chris Christie campaigns. We've been calling voters, urging them to vote for conservative candidates. Personally, I've been e-mailing a few acquaintances of mine in the Dede Scozzafava campaign, asking them to convince Scozzafava to drop out of the race.

We work behind the scenes, and under the radar. Quietly and effectively, we've been directing support to the conservative candidates in these races.

A few months ago, we were working on behalf of the Jim Tedisco campaign, in a special election in New York's 20th Congressional District. Last November, Democrat Kirstin Gillibrand won with over 60% of the vote in that district. Just five months later, a true conservative lost by less than 0.5% of the vote.

But a loss is still a loss. It was discouraging, and we didn't do very much for months after that.

Then we noticed that John Corzine, the Democratic governor of New Jersey, hasn't had a job approval rating over 40% for more than a year. He keeps raising taxes. Members of his party keep getting arrested for bribery and drug possession. So we pulled out all the stops and devoted ourselves to a powerful effort on behalf of the conservative Republican candidate, Chris Christie.

A friend of mine on another discussion board described the results this way:

Obama made three trips to New Jersey
to campaign for Corzine, who followed
the Obama campaign plan to the letter.
Obama's voice was used for Corzine's
Robocalls. Corzine spent $23 million
of his own money, outspending Christie
by a 3-to-1 margin. He enjoyed all the
advantages of an incumbent. Christie
had a third-party candidate splitting
the conservative vote.

And Corzine lost.

That's change we can believe in.

We decided to stay out of Virginia because McDonnell was going to win without our help, and Christie needed everything we had. As it turns out, conservative GOP candidates made a clean sweep of all statewide offices in Virginia, and they increased their majority in the House of Delegates (in Virginia's state legislature).

About 18 days ago, it looked like Doug Hoffman was really coming on strong in the special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District. The key members of our group had a very heated discussion: do we keep on pouring everything we've got into New Jersey, or do we try to help Hoffman? At that point, it was a difficult decision. We were concerned that if we split our support we could lose both races. Christie was in a difficult race, and he needed everything we could do for him.

That was when I contacted my friends in the Dede Scozzafava campaign. I asked them to convince Dede to drop out of the race and endorse Hoffman. I explained that we were deeply committed in New Jersey and we did not want to split our efforts. I mentioned that Dede hadn't been picked by the voters of the Republican Party in a real primary, but by the country club members who run the party. The party belongs to the rank and file voters, not to its leaders.

I promised that if Dede did all of this, our group would support her for a statewide office in 2010, and I mentioned the New York State comptroller's office. No other Republican had declared any interest in that office, and it was a logical next step in Dede's political career.

I got very little response from them in the 24 hours that followed, and I got back in touch with our people. We made the difficult decision to shift all of our resources into the NY-23 race. It was like Patton taking a 90-degree turn with the Third Army to relieve Bastogne. I started contacting other people on the staffs of prominent Republicans at the national level.

The results were phenomenal. Right away, Sarah Palin endorsed Hoffman. Then Tim Pawlenty (2012 presidential nominee, perhaps) endorsed Hoffman. Dick Armey was on board already. And the money poured in. My friends had already given generously to the Christie campaign and now, they reached deep in their pockets and invested the rent money in Doug Hoffman. I will forever be grateful.

Then Dede dropped out of the race. I thought we had it in the bag. I finally took a deep breath, took half a day off and spent some time with my family. I was still prepared to support Dede next year, in spite of the fact that we didn't get an endorsement of Hoffman from her, and I sent an e-mail to my contacts in her campaign explaining that. Both of those moves were big mistakes (taking half a day off, and promising to support her in spite of her refusal to endorse Hoffman), and I humbly apologize for that. While I was offline and away from the phone, Dede started sneaking around and telling her supporters to switch their support to Owens, the Democratic nominee.

When I got wind of this, I was skeptical about the report. But then she appeared at a campaign event with Owens, loud and proud, and endorsed him in front of God and everybody. I was astonished. Nobody had seen this coming, not even my contacts in her own campaign. Matt Burns, her communications director and one of my contacts in her campaign, immediately sent out an e-mail announcing that he was supporting Hoffman.

During the next 48 hours, we shifted into high gear and made as many calls to voters in the district as we could. We all have "day jobs" and families. In the end, Doug Hoffman lost. But we sent a message to Republican leadership that they'd better stop nominating liberals. And Dede Scozzafava has no future in politics, unless she joins the Democratic Party and is honest about where her allegiances really are. She deserves nothing but our contempt.

I must say that 2010 is going to be a very good year. Keep your powder dry and your bayonets sharp, Minutemen.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: christie; hoffman; mcdonnell; obama

1 posted on 11/05/2009 5:20:09 AM PST by Philo1962
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To: Philo1962

Unless we are prepared to look every RNC donor in the eye and tell them about this treachary, WHY should the RNC care?


2 posted on 11/05/2009 5:30:52 AM PST by ROTB ("By any means necessary" is evil. See what God thinks of "rising oceans" in Jeremiah 5:22)
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To: ROTB

When the RNC calls asking for donations, cite NY-23 and tell them they aren’t getting a dime until they put their whole weight behind conservative candidates. Money talks louder than words.


3 posted on 11/05/2009 5:43:47 AM PST by randita (Chains you can bereave in.)
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To: Philo1962

You did as much as you could and Dede betrayed a lot of people, including her own staffers. Clearly, it was out of revenge (”hell hath no fury like that of a woman scorned”). Her career as a Republican is thankfully over.

That whole race was a debacle and showed how out of touch the country club GOP dealmakers are from the folks on the ground. They bear the bulk of culpability for losing this seat.


4 posted on 11/05/2009 5:48:38 AM PST by randita (Chains you can bereave in.)
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To: Philo1962

It calls into question the idea that conservatives can bring in an outsider to win (from my understanding.) Also all the media hype about conservatives supporting Hoffman may have been a turnoff for that area.

On the bright side the seat is up in only a year and republicans are almost sure to pick it up then.


5 posted on 11/05/2009 5:51:19 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

I can’t stress this enough. The Republican Party is our party. The conservatives’ party. We need to take it back. This is the year to do it. The third party idea only gets more Democrats elected. They love it.

We need to constantly repeat a very narrowly focused message: keep taxes low, reduce the deficit, balance the budget, stay strong on national defense, and respect the right to keep and bear arms.

I really don’t want to hear about anything else except electing conservatives. Stay out of the other details. It only gets us into unproductive fights. Even the moderates will support a narrow platform like that. Once we take back the House, we can start talking about immigration. Once we take back the Senate and the White House, we can talk about issues like the right to life, and the defense of marriage.


6 posted on 11/05/2009 6:55:27 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962; rabscuttle
RE :”I can’t stress this enough. The Republican Party is our party. The conservatives’ party. We need to take it back. This is the year to do it. The third party idea only gets more Democrats elected. They love it. We need to constantly repeat a very narrowly focused message: keep taxes low, reduce the deficit, balance the budget, stay strong on national defense, and respect the right to keep and bear arms.

You have not taken it back yet. I don't feel like Republican Party is my party unlike 1993 Clinton's first year. I also see that many ‘conservatives’ have not learned all the lessons of the past. There are many Bush defenders here. Bush, McCain... that kills it for me.

7 posted on 11/05/2009 7:20:18 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: sickoflibs

Watch what happens in the next 12 months. This is our party and we’re taking it back. We’d appreciate your help.


8 posted on 11/05/2009 7:33:14 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Grampa Dave; potlatch; devolve; sirchtruth
Hey you! You out there? This is a great photo of Obama with Corzine. Somebody needs to build a mural around it, with that quotation in blue from the top of the thread.


9 posted on 11/05/2009 7:38:55 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: All

Some of you guys don’t even know who I am. In 2004, I was working for the Jack Ryan for Senate campaign. If we had won that one, Obama would still be an obscure state senator in Springfield, Illinois.

Last year, I was working as a freelance writer for Newsmax. Around St. Patrick’s Day, an old article that I had written came to the attention of ABC News. I had reported about Obama attending the hate-filled, race-baiting church of Jeremiah Wright. Before ABC News brought my article to the attention of the whole nation, Obama had won several primaries in a row and seemed unstoppable. But after ABC News started talking about it, it went viral and Obama lost six of the next eight primaries, some by huge margins.

If my article had come to the attention of the nation just two weeks earlier, we wouldn’t even be talking about a President Obama. We’d be talking about a President Someone Else. For a very long time, I’ve been ahead of the curve on where the Republican Party is going, and where it needs to go.

Please join me and the rest of the Tea Party movement. We need all the help we can get.


10 posted on 11/05/2009 7:44:45 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962
RE :”Watch what happens in the next 12 months. This is our party and we’re taking it back. We’d appreciate your help.”

Good! It's definitely what the party needs. Third party is a last action of desperation . In the NY case too I think things worked out for conservatives. It's just we have to learn lessons.

11 posted on 11/05/2009 8:06:56 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Philo1962
Election 2009/10: Change We Can Believe In!!

Corzine, enjoy your change in 2010!

Adios to left wingers in 2010!

12 posted on 11/05/2009 10:03:00 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: sickoflibs

The victories in Jersey & VA show that the Dem playbook of blaming Bush for everyhting doesn’t work anymore. Instead, the new Dem playbook shall be “The Taliban Tea Baggers have declare a Jihad against reasonable thinking moderates just like in the NY-23.”


13 posted on 11/05/2009 10:39:22 AM PST by yongin
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To: yongin

Lets hope so.


14 posted on 11/05/2009 10:45:40 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Grampa Dave

"This election was not about Obama.
Obama still has all of his mojo.
You people are wrong. New Jersey
and Virginia mean nothing."

15 posted on 11/05/2009 12:30:30 PM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962

I appreciate you unveiling your legacy. I also appreciate you might appear to be conservative and an ardent pusher of conservative causes, however if you think for one second you’re going to get away with telling us John McCain is conservative, and not a disloyal prick to conservative republicans you’re exposing a MAJOR flaw in your tout!


16 posted on 11/05/2009 3:13:41 PM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: Philo1962; republican; rboatman; tame; Alamo-Girl; zappo; backhoe; goseminoles; Balding_Eagle; ...

Ping. If you want off my ping list or if you want to join our group, send me a freepmail.


17 posted on 11/05/2009 6:10:50 PM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962

Thanks Phil. BTTT


18 posted on 11/05/2009 6:58:48 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Philo1962

I agree. Just look at the history of third parties....Dems love it. I’m with you.


19 posted on 11/05/2009 7:07:09 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: Grampa Dave

Corzine!

Out of office!

Being seriously talked up as the next CEO of our taxpayer owned Bank of America. All based on his prior street cred!

Talk about pigs wallowing in slops!

OOink! My nose is clean!!


20 posted on 11/05/2009 8:11:44 PM PST by aShepard
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To: Philo1962

We saw outrage from the Republican leadership when Joe Wilson showed contempt for the bald face lies coming out of the usurper in the peoples’ chamber.

Here we have a woman who had the support of top ranking Republican officials and betrays them and makes them look like fools. Or did she? Where is the requisite outrage? Newt’s mea culpa appearance on Hannity didn’t seem to have anywhere near the passion he had when he was defending party loyalty and Dede.


21 posted on 11/05/2009 9:08:23 PM PST by Nephi ( Bush legacy: "I had to sacrifice free market principles to save the free market.")
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To: Philo1962

Thanks for the ping!


22 posted on 11/05/2009 9:33:50 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Philo1962
"The results were phenomenal. Right away, Sarah Palin endorsed Hoffman. Then Tim Pawlenty (2012 presidential nominee, perhaps) endorsed Hoffman."

Why do you cite Pawlenty as a potential 2012 nominee and not Sarah Palin?

23 posted on 11/06/2009 3:01:53 AM PST by jla
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To: jla

The Democratic Party smear machine is all geared up to attack Sarah Palin and her family in 2012. They’ll continue to do oppo research for the next three years. Levi Johnston will continue to feed them juicy little lies in his quest for celebrity and the almighty dollar. Those lies will be endlessly repeated as if they were proven facts.

Furthermore, Sarah isn’t going to really be ready for their onslaught. The interview with Katie Couric showed how the Obamabot whores in the press would ambush her at every turn and also, it showed that Sarah wasn’t fully prepared.

I wish that Sarah would be ready in 2012, and that the conditions on the ground would be favorable. But wishing won’t make it so. Unless she spends the next three years in intensive training on national level issues, she will lose in 2012 and it will be the end of her political career. we can’t afford to lose her like that.

Let me remind you of what happened to us in the first year of our involvement in World War II. Our forces at sea were badly outnumbered and were frequently slaughtered, or won by a hair’s breadth. Our training facilities and shipyards were under enormous pressure to rush new units into battle before they were ready. We didn’t. You know the results. In the end, we won the war.

If Pawlenty loses in 2012, Sarah will be ready in 2016. And if Pawlenty wins, I see her as either his Secretary of the Interior or his Secretary of State — the latter post being the best one to get her even more ready. Then, in 2020, she would be truly formidable as Pawlenty’s replacement.


24 posted on 11/06/2009 4:23:36 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: sirchtruth

There’s nothing to “get away with” here.


25 posted on 11/06/2009 4:54:32 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962
"I wish that Sarah would be ready in 2012, and that the conditions on the ground would be favorable. But wishing won?t make it so. Unless she spends the next three years in intensive training on national level issues, she will lose in 2012 and it will be the end of her political career. we can?t afford to lose her like that."

I have to ask, why do suppose people like Fred Malek, Thomas Sowell, and even Beck and Limbaugh have opined Mrs Palin to be the polar opposite of your description above?

Are these gentlemen all wrong and you right in assessing her viability as a serious national candidate?

26 posted on 11/06/2009 5:46:37 AM PST by jla
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To: jla

The Democrats started getting ready to beat “Sarah 2012” in September 2008. As you can see, their smear campaign hasn’t even slowed down. I want all of that effort to be wasted. They will be extremely frustrated, and feel like the fools that they are.

I don’t perceive Sowell’s description of Palin to be an unqualified endorsement. If she chooses to run, I would of course support her as the nominee. But Pawlenty is ready now, and in my opinion, Sarah isn’t quite ready. That Katie Couric interview exposed some weaknesses.


27 posted on 11/06/2009 6:07:09 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962; Prov1322; Dacula; taxcontrol; Rudder; moonrush23; conservativeinbflo.; WesternMA; ...

Ping. If you want off this list, or if you’d like to discuss the activities of our group, please Freepmail me.


28 posted on 11/06/2009 6:13:20 AM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: aShepard; Liz
If true, this is obscene!

Being seriously talked up as the next CEO of our taxpayer owned Bank of America. All based on his prior street cred!

29 posted on 11/06/2009 6:41:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: Philo1962; ROTB

This year, a Michigan democrat state senator resigned, and a Washington democrat state rep. died. This week, Republicans won both special elections. So far, this year, Republicans have a net gain of seven state legislators, from special elections. I didn’t hear any TV reporters mention this fact.


30 posted on 11/06/2009 7:21:20 AM PST by PhilCollins
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To: Philo1962

Keep up the good work. Conservatism needs more of this kind of pragmatic day to day hard work rather than torches and pitchforks.


31 posted on 11/06/2009 7:57:35 AM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: jla
Good point jla! Everybody should step back and take a good look at where all those experienced leaders have brought us up to this point.

Sarah Palin is definitely a leader who doesn't put her finger in the air to find out which way the winds blowing and then go in that direction. That's what Palwenty did before endorsing Hoffman and those types of "politicians" we don't need. What some freeper said about him was correct ....... "blazing a new trail that somebody else cleared" (or something to that effect).

I won't support any more rhinos regardless of what the outcome may be. For me, it's Sarah Palin or nobody!

32 posted on 11/06/2009 7:59:23 AM PST by Old Badger (boy do opportunities abound everywhere for Real Conservatives!)
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To: Philo1962; Grampa Dave; potlatch; devolve; sirchtruth
White House hacks resorted to saying Ohaha was not watching the results come in. Press secretary---and resident liar, Robert Gibbs---said the elections don't "mean much" to Ohaha. Here's a couple reminders that show the truth to that lie.

HERE'S HOW DESPERATE THEY WERE TO WIN NJ Obama went to New Jersey three times---Biden was there twice.

The NY Times reported :

(a) every TV ad Corzine put on the air was being screened by Obama's WH team.

(b) Corzine's aides gave the WH daily briefings.

(c) Obama’s pollsters took over for Corzine’s polling team, and,

(d) White House operatives were on the ground in New Jersey, for everything from internal strategy sessions to secret, obscure pep rallies with Latinoes, (still toweling off after swimming the Rio Grande).

Corzine had a "Peruvian PAC" endorsing him. Latino invaders from Ecuador, Mexico, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Spain, together with Puerto Ricans, are currently "registered" to vote in NJ (or being trucked in election day) under several names.......all voting for Corzine under several identities.

All of the pundits claimed the race was "close" and that the counting would go on til the wee hours. However, Repub Christie came charging out of the gate well-ahead. Then two hours after the polls closed, he was declared the winner by a comfortable 5 points.

In the end, Obama's NJ appearances----saying he needed Corzine as "his partner"----made him a handy target for voter discontent. He and Corzine paid the price.

SUMMIMG UP Ohaha was castrated on Tuesday night and he still doesn't know it yet. Well, maybe when Michele asks for sex, the reality will kick in....... (/snic).

33 posted on 11/06/2009 8:30:05 AM PST by Liz (ALL FOX---ALL THE TIME---24/7)
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To: Philo1962

I have been working hard on FB and in the local Republican party. Americans participating in the Tea Parties has given me hope.


34 posted on 11/06/2009 10:48:44 AM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: Philo1962

How can we get the GOP to have universal closed primaries?


35 posted on 11/06/2009 10:51:59 AM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: devolve; Philo1962; Liz; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; MeekOneGOP; All; Grampa Dave; ...

36 posted on 11/06/2009 10:52:00 AM PST by potlatch (Actions Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: potlatch


Great Slideshow .gif potlatch

How did I know you would do that?




37 posted on 11/06/2009 11:03:21 AM PST by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Hey - Know what? I would like a recount!" . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

Don’t know, it was a last minute thing.


38 posted on 11/06/2009 11:07:47 AM PST by potlatch (Actions Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: Philo1962
There’s nothing to “get away with” here.

Here's what I think you're all about, and I think it is a flaw in your thinking.

Not every republican is conservative, I take it we agree with each other on this? Those who are not conservative, like John McCain (and you know he's not) are trying to make the republican party in their image, moderate/rino. These people are centrist, Washingtonians, and system wonks who want the staus quo because this is where they've learned they can derive power. They are elites and do not concern themselves with the people's agenda, but their own. This is what you fail to recognize and you can not survive as a prosperous party with people who only have their self interest at heart. Now if John McCain wants to come over and embrace a conservative agenda fully then I welcome him, but all he's ever done is rail against conservatives and voted to stop a conservative agenda!

So, if you don't understand the difference between someone who's only voting certain ways to further a more moderate agenda, opposed to someone who actually is conservative and cares about "We The People..." then you are totally out of touch with what is this political reality.

39 posted on 11/06/2009 4:01:04 PM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: sirchtruth

Hi. You seem determined to engage me in a mudslinging fight that our “friends” at Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, MoveOn.org, Huffington Post and 1000 smaller leftie blogs will be able to link to, point at and giggle about until the sun burns out. Even if Jim Robinson deletes the thread, Google creates a cache that is permanent and can be linked to by leftie bloggers.

If that’s what you want, then you’re a fool and destructive to the conservative cause. Tell me why I should even try to have a conversation with a person like you


40 posted on 11/06/2009 6:09:38 PM PST by Philo1962 (Iraq is terrorist flypaper. They go there to die.)
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To: Philo1962
Tell me why I should even try to have a conversation with a person like you

First of all I don't give a flee flying frig what any liberal crap trap thinks, and if you do then it just shows how insecure you must feel about being "conservative."

You're the one who brought this up first with your support and "respect" of Dede Scuzzy who you had to backtrack later when you found out she went totally liberal. And we all told you this is what RINOS do. You're the one who thinks John McCain is a good conservative with his stupidass "conservative union" rating when everything he does is practically anti-conservative. And you are STILL trying to condone his actions!

The only thing I'm trying to do is convience you conservative republicans are going to take over the republican party and we don't want help from moderate/rino's UNLESS they start agreeing with conservatives and voting accordingly. Otherwise, they can leave this party because WE DO NOT WANT, NOR NEED THEM!

You do not have to engage in this and you know that, but let me tell you this. I'm serious about this WAR I told you about. It's not with liberals right now it's with moderates/rino's and their supporters like you have made yourself out to be. See, YOU are the problem right now because of your willingness to support moderates and rino's just for their whorish votes.

Leftie bloggers, LOL, give me a break!!

41 posted on 11/07/2009 4:10:02 AM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: randita

Best advice I’ve seen here in a while.

FReegards...


42 posted on 11/07/2009 4:12:10 AM PST by sauropod (People who do things are people that get things done.)
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To: sirchtruth; Philo1962; All
You're the one who brought this up first with your support and "respect" of Dede Scuzzy who you had to backtrack later when you found out she went totally liberal.

I have made an inaccuracy in the above statement. Philo1962 never stated or indicated they "supported" Dede Scozzafava. Infact, according to previous post by Philo1962 they worked to persuade Dede Scozzafava to drop out.

Here's the statement by Philo1962 I was referencing when I made my earlier comment. This was after Dede Scozzafava had dropped out of NY23 and before she supported the Democrat, Bill Owens.

"So we need to treat Dede Scozzafava with respect. She did the right thing." (by dropping out of the race)

I wanted everyone to know this because I'm not here to deceive anyone especially about another freepers statements.

Here's what I want to know from you Philo1962 because it leads to my point. If you can't persuade moderates/rino's to support conservatives or leave the republican party by your use of "diplomacy" then what should happen if another moderate or rino gets nominated to run?

43 posted on 11/07/2009 11:02:44 AM PST by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: Philo1962
Good strategy and agreed. The main focus should be fiscally conservative issues. But I'll still consider the social issues as well.

Electing conservatives to the Republican Party, and taking back control is crucial and the only sound strategy. Going third party will only split the conservative vote and keep democrats in power.

44 posted on 11/07/2009 9:46:34 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Lying is not only uncivil but immoral.)
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To: Philo1962

Pawlenty is in favor of carbon taxes. He’s a RINO.


45 posted on 11/07/2009 10:54:56 PM PST by mombrown1 (PA Coordinatior SAS The Second Amendment is the reset button for the Constitution)
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To: Philo1962

When I was in DC on 912 I looked around and thought, if everyone thee and those across the nation attending teaparties would take over their local Republican committee we would own the party on the local, county, state and national levels. We would pick the candidates. Those Reps in DC would pay attention to us.

Of course that won’t happen because as much as we have all the teapartiers there is no one educating them on what needs to be done to acquire the power.


46 posted on 11/07/2009 11:00:16 PM PST by mombrown1 (PA Coordinatior SAS The Second Amendment is the reset button for the Constitution)
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