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Official: Fort Hood shooting suspect not dead
Austin American Statesman ^ | Nov 5, 2009 | Staff

Posted on 11/05/2009 8:13:58 PM PST by PhiKapMom

By American-statesman staff
Thursday, November 5, 2009, 08:41 PM

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspect in the Fort Hood shootings, has not been killed and is in stable condition at a hospital, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said at a press conference at Fort Hood.

He is in custody at an undisclosed hospital, Cone said.

Col. Ben Danner said that the gunman was shot four times. He said he didn’t know where the man was hit, nor whether all four shots were fired by the same officer.

Cone had earlier said that Hasan was killed in the incident.

Three soldiers taken into custody after the shootings were released, he said. Investigators believe Hasan acted alone.

“Evidence does not suggest this was a terrorist event,” Cone said.

The death toll from the attack remains 12 after another victim died, Cone said.

Jeff Sadosky, a spokesman for U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, said the senator had been told that Hasan was upset about his upcoming deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan.

An AP source said Hasan had received a poor performance evaluation for Army hospital work. Hasan had been a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six years before being transferred to Fort Hood in July, the Associated Press said, citing military officials in Washington.

The suspect, McCaul said, “took a lot of advanced training in shooting.”

McCaul said he also has been told that Hasan had undergone alcohol counseling.

Hasan, 39, is a U.S. citizen whose parents are Palestinians from the West Bank, according to the Washington Post.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donottrustamuslim; islam; jihad; majormistake; misinformation; nidalmalikhasan; quransyndrome; stealthjihad; trustamuslimyoupay
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Went from his parents were Jordanian to Palestinians from the West Bank in addition to everything else. This Lt General that gave the press conference was the one who announced the shooter was dead this afternoon. Makes even less sense.
1 posted on 11/05/2009 8:14:01 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom

Its always Israel and George Bush’s fault.

The spin is that Obama will blame George Bush for driving this guy to go crazy! Hasan is a George Bush victim


2 posted on 11/05/2009 8:16:03 PM PST by ncfool (Obama Bare fisted Politican at home. Pantywaist VS. Real thugs abroad.)
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To: ncfool

That would not shock me!


3 posted on 11/05/2009 8:17:19 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: PhiKapMom

Well, you know, the Fog of War and all that, it’s so hard to tell who’s dead and who’s not.

I’m suppose there’s an ACLU lawyer somewhere having an orgasm.


4 posted on 11/05/2009 8:19:44 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: PhiKapMom

It came from a 3 star, they probably wanted everyone to think he was dead until they had a chance to confirm there was nothing bigger in the works..... paranoid maybe.... just a guess. If not who ever reported him dead to the 3 star will have his career over in the AM....


5 posted on 11/05/2009 8:20:23 PM PST by ghannonf18 (Honorable service for 8 Years under a draft dodger,8 under a great American, TBD)
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To: PhiKapMom

bttt


6 posted on 11/05/2009 8:23:21 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: PhiKapMom
"An AP source said Hasan had received a poor performance evaluation for Army hospital work.

On another thread is says he was promoted 6 months ago....

curious.....

7 posted on 11/05/2009 8:24:05 PM PST by spokeshave (Obama can't unjump the shark "Obama Wa Nobel-sho Ni Ataeshinai" ("Obama Unworthy of Nobel Prize"))
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To: PhiKapMom

Most likely they wanted to see what kind of comminications flurished when they announced he was dead.


8 posted on 11/05/2009 8:26:05 PM PST by 3boysdad
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To: ghannonf18

The way it sounds I think the General was told he was dead. He did say the shooter had a CID guy with him — they won’t say which hospital he is at so most likely they took him away and somehow the General got the word he was dead along with the cop. The general looked so uncomfortable and he did say there was a lot going on which caused erroneous information.

What I find odd is after two people who everyone thought were dead are alive the death count still stands at 12.

Someone had told the media his parents was Jordanian but it comes out now they were Palestinian from the West Bank.


9 posted on 11/05/2009 8:26:11 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: OrangeHoof

Fog of War is right especially when they reported 12 dead including the shooter and the cop and after we find they were alive, we still have 12 dead.


10 posted on 11/05/2009 8:27:19 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: spokeshave
I bet affirmative action may have contributed to his May promotion to Major.
11 posted on 11/05/2009 8:28:12 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: spokeshave

A general on with Greta said he received a really poor review lately...not something you want in the military.


12 posted on 11/05/2009 8:28:20 PM PST by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: spokeshave

It is curious. One more thing that makes no sense — getting promoted after getting a poor OER or whatever the Army calls them.


13 posted on 11/05/2009 8:28:53 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: PhiKapMom
“Evidence does not suggest this was a terrorist event,” Cone said.

The most charitable interpretation of that remark is, We don't think it's part of a larger conspiracy.

Certainly, on the face of it, it's a textbook example of Sudden Jihad Syndrome.

14 posted on 11/05/2009 8:30:36 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: PhiKapMom

If it is alive let the soldiers that survived the attack spend a little unsupervised quality time with it.

Then let the slain one’s widows, widowers, and adult children finish it off.

Mirandize it first of course.


15 posted on 11/05/2009 8:32:02 PM PST by AZ .44 MAG (I'm Jim Thompson and I say our government is a joke and its current make up is the punch line.)
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To: PhiKapMom

Another nonsensical thing is .. 30 people wounded, 12 people dead, all from a guy who only had 2 handguns?


16 posted on 11/05/2009 8:33:17 PM PST by plinyelder
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To: PhiKapMom
"Fort Hood shooting suspect not dead "

I'm sure that President Obama will see that he gets his flu shot!

17 posted on 11/05/2009 8:33:20 PM PST by Dacus943
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To: PhiKapMom

“Evidence does not suggest this was a terrorist event,” Cone said.

A Mohammedan kills a bunch of soldiers on a military base and a three-star general says it isn’t a terrorist event.

Well, sir, what exactly was it? Some cross-cultural USO event gone slightly astray? Get real.


18 posted on 11/05/2009 8:35:20 PM PST by mathurine
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To: plinyelder

Very strange. I would add - the misidentification of him as being dead (!), and also, he is now reported to be in a ‘stable’ condition although he was shot multiple times. Normally, a person with those injuries would be on the critical list.


19 posted on 11/05/2009 8:36:02 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Dacus943

“Fort Hood shooting suspect not dead “

“I’m sure that President Obama will see that he gets his flu shot!”

And he’ll set up a beerfest with him. Just to have a little dialogue.


20 posted on 11/05/2009 8:37:25 PM PST by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: PhiKapMom

“Hasan was upset about his upcoming deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan.”

You’d think the crazy madman would’ve been worried about being blown away on US soil, or life in prison!!!!

This is balogna!!! The man wanted to kill some infidels! And he thought he was going to heaven to meet 72 virgins!


21 posted on 11/05/2009 8:38:51 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: PhiKapMom
What I find odd is after two people who everyone thought were dead are alive the death count still stands at 12.

My local news reported earlier that additional victims have died, keeping the total at 12.

22 posted on 11/05/2009 8:41:05 PM PST by TXBlair (Ft. Hood is a post, not a base. Minor pet peeve of mine!)
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To: RowdyFFC
Well, now that he's botched the job, he will only get one virgin someday.


23 posted on 11/05/2009 8:45:09 PM PST by TXBlair (Ft. Hood is a post, not a base. Minor pet peeve of mine!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Sounds like a terror cell.

Rahm will try and make the best of it. Let's see, "Don't let a crisis go to waste, uh, er, maybe it's take away from the Republican Governors winning and get people not thinking about health care. Great timing. . The rally at the Capitol was not hardly covered, ugh, let's see. . "

Governor of Texas says 3 shooters. Press covering this up, a "PC" cover-up? Couldn't really be a Terror Cell with Obama trying to be nicey nice to the Saudis and trying to meet with Iran? . . "and oh Yes, that damn Halfghanistan decision is looming, and ugh, er. ."

Jihad watch: "Authorities were concerned about Fort Hood shooter because of Net postings about suicide bombings, etc."

From Pam Geller at Atlas Shrugs "The War on America: Muslim Attacker "come to the attention of law enforcement at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats" They knew this guy was a jihadi. They knew. But they sacrificed American lives at the altar political correctness. These religion of peaceniks are going to get us all killed."

PC gone wild. I tell ya', unless we get a handle on this PC crap, we're going to die as a nation. I was a psychiatrist in the Air Force, 74-76, and I can tell you his Commander would of had his a** on my doorstep the next morning after he found out about his writings and comments. His commanding officer would be wanting an "unfit for duty" discharge . . one of those letters: "it serves the interest of the Air Force and Sgt. Whomever that he be booted out", etc. The OIC would usually call me on the phone too and explain his concerns about the individual. They didn't mess around. We're talking people around B-52s, nukes, security policeman, virtually anyone on the base as it was a SAC base. The situation would be taken care of ASAP and the individual would be in out-processing within a week. There wasn't any PC then. . . The individual sections, especially Munitions Maintenance and Security Police wouldn't take any chances with anyone who even squeaked an unpatriotic word or anything that was remotely flaky. They wanted them Out and they didn't care if they were black, white or yellow. I just don't remember any Muslims then except the fake black Muslims, but that was the reading Malcom crowd and black power, etc. They were different - not lifelong Islam Muslims.

We are at war with Islam and we better start a Major War with political correctness Now, and I mean tonight. Political Correctness is a Cancer on America and needs to immediately be taken more seriously.

24 posted on 11/05/2009 8:45:38 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: PhiKapMom

I don’t understand how one man with 2 handguns can shoot so many people and kill 11 of them.

I don’t understand how so many people knew this man’s views and ignored it.


25 posted on 11/05/2009 8:45:40 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: cynwoody

It WAS in fact a terrorist event, in the way AT THE VERY LEAST , that any act of multiple murders and massacres are terrorist events, politically, or religiously inspired , or not. Hasan should’ve been taken seriously when he started talking about these things, and there were more than a few people who heard him say them, and ignored them. We never learn. Think there will be a review of how we might avert these acts of murderous aggression in the future? I don’t think so. The Virginia Tech murderer also paved his way with lots of warning signs that were overlooked, or dismissed. Everyone in ‘authority’ is afraid to act pre-emptively, so they basically wind up dying. Or, should I say, WE wind up dying!


26 posted on 11/05/2009 8:47:00 PM PST by supremedoctrine ( A, you're a-dor-a-ble, -------B, you're bus-ted.........)
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To: TXBlair

There we go. That's better.

27 posted on 11/05/2009 8:47:50 PM PST by TXBlair (Ft. Hood is a post, not a base. Minor pet peeve of mine!)
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To: TXBlair

ROFL! Maybe he’ll get Pelosi!!!!


28 posted on 11/05/2009 8:49:45 PM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: PhiKapMom

Obviously, the shooter was a much better marksman than the police....very troubling.


29 posted on 11/05/2009 8:50:18 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: TXBlair

That is so disgusting..what is with these people, their asses hanging out in the halls of congress and guts hanging out in parks. I loved Reagan, but the one thing I disagreed with him was closing down the insane asylums.


30 posted on 11/05/2009 8:53:30 PM PST by Irisshlass
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To: PhiKapMom

He’s alive? Great! Now Obama will have to put up with how to try him. He won’t be able to keep his mitts off of it.


31 posted on 11/05/2009 8:54:18 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Keep your dog. Get rid of a Liberal.)
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To: kittymyrib

one man handling two guns and taking down that many people before being shot himself just doesn’t quite compute.


32 posted on 11/05/2009 8:54:44 PM PST by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: freekitty

My comments from anotehr thread....

1) At this time, No one knows or has reported what make/model of pistols the shooter used.
2) Let us assume that he had 2 Beretta M9 - 9MM military issue pistols.
3) Beretta M9 uses a 15 rd dbl stack magazine.
4) Two gun w/1 magazine each = 30 rds. 2 magazines each pistol = 60 rds. continue the math.
5) Magazine drop/reload = 3 to 5 seconds..
6) volume of targets in close confine area..

There were a lot of deaths and injuries. But, there could have been more had it not been for the response of the civilian PD.


33 posted on 11/05/2009 8:55:55 PM PST by UPcrawfish
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To: Irisshlass
I loved Reagan, but the one thing I disagreed with him was closing down the insane asylums.

That disastrous program was started by the Carter administration. So now you agree with Ronaldus Maximus on everything!


34 posted on 11/05/2009 8:57:26 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: RowdyFFC

Ack! Ew! Ptooey!!!!!!!


35 posted on 11/05/2009 8:59:16 PM PST by TXBlair (Ft. Hood is a post, not a base. Minor pet peeve of mine!)
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To: freekitty

Twelve are dead by the shooter with two hand guns one of which was a semi-automatic and 31 injured. If he had to put another clip in why didn’t someone jump him.

Looks like after reading the Killeen paper that there was a civilian cop killed just not the one that shot the shooter but that could chance by tomorrow as well.

There are 10 victims at the Level 1 Trauma Center in Temple about 30 miles away. The one paper also said that the hospital in Temple is now shut down — bet the perp is there.


36 posted on 11/05/2009 9:00:17 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: OrangeHoof

And I’ll bet there are a flock of TV network lawyers having diarrhea attacks over what may have been said over their airwaves during the time that everyone assumed the shooter was dead. Just shows how wrong many Obama-recognized “real news organizations” can be.

Fox News held back on giving out the name until it was confirmed by the Pentagon and for that they deserve credit. Screw ratings and being first to repeat hearsay, “Abundance of Caution” should be SOP in these situations.


37 posted on 11/05/2009 9:01:18 PM PST by bigbob
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To: VeniVidiVici

Obama will send Holder in for this poor deranged muslim.


38 posted on 11/05/2009 9:03:42 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: PhiKapMom

When did the semi automatic appear. I heard it was 2 handguns.


39 posted on 11/05/2009 9:06:47 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: PhiKapMom

I think Holder will be the cover-up boy like he was in the clinton admin during OKC.


40 posted on 11/05/2009 9:09:06 PM PST by Irisshlass
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To: DallasMike

??? Mental institutions go way back to 1700s.


41 posted on 11/05/2009 9:12:24 PM PST by Irisshlass
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To: PhiKapMom; All
Official: Fort Hood shooting suspect not dead YET

There. fixed it.

42 posted on 11/05/2009 9:12:59 PM PST by uptoolate (Governments don’t love...People do.)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

I am willing to bet they have Texas RANGERS watching this guy.

Case in point. When stationed at Ft Richardson a number (koff, koff) of years ago, we had an arty puke rape his 10 Y/O stepdaughter.

A church bud of mine, an MP, had to pull guard duty - he was one (there was only like 3 or 4 guys) the Provost thought he could trust not to light this creep up on their own.

The creep was in an ‘inside’ (no window) cell because the local Commander thought one of the folks on post would share a M-67 with the guy. All windows to the brig were boarded over while the creep was in the locker.

My bud pulled 12 houtr shifts, sat facing the door to the cell block with his 45 in Condition One, in hand. Not fun.

Took two days, but they got the creep on a USAF plane down to Ft Lewis for his GCM.

As for this Muzzie killer, I am willing to bet thay have a shitpotload of folks out at Ft Hood willing and ready to send him to all-agh.

I’m with you FRiend, give him to the women.....


43 posted on 11/05/2009 9:16:00 PM PST by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: plinyelder
Another nonsensical thing is .. 30 people wounded, 12 people dead, all from a guy who only had 2 handguns?

That can happen in gun free zones. Think about the Virginia Tech killer.

44 posted on 11/05/2009 9:16:00 PM PST by fso301
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To: BlackVeil; PhiKapMom
I would expect that he is getting the very best of trauma treatment. The military want that scumbag alive for trial and punishment -- and to squeeze him to see if he is part of a network.

(Just think how much clearer things could have been if Ruby had not shot Oswald...)

45 posted on 11/05/2009 9:17:04 PM PST by TXnMA (FR's resident "unsientific [sic] dogmatist")
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To: kittymyrib

“Obviously, the shooter was a much better marksman than the police.”

My personal observations have always been that contrary to popular opinion police officers are seldom experts on firearms and the majority of them are not skilled marksmen.

In fairness to them, they do a very difficult job and being a gunfighter is but a remote possibility for most of them. It’s also far easier to stroll around firing at unarmed victims that it would have been for the police officers who had to contend with both being shot at and worried about hitting innocents in the process.


46 posted on 11/05/2009 9:17:07 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: PhiKapMom
six figure income
poor performance rated OER
professional student but said not an active leader material
why did the brother "laugh" at the suggested lunacy of his murderous brother acting in anyway but normal?
Who laughs as if it were a joke-the crime of murder-too at ease.
who was the woman who would visit said by neighbor
wrote allah in "arabic" on his door (neighbor)
proposed the killing of Americans the agressors, outlandish comments-rise up and kill Americans (6 months ago)"Lock it up Major" was told.

There were red flags!!

Anti American statements heard by an retired officer and witnesses..no follow up.

Said Obama should pull troops out then became agitated from indicisiveness (my words) of the President

Prayers for those killed & wounded and their families

Valor recognized & awarded to female first responder who took him down and saved how many countless others.

Firing squard for this Muslem Hasan, "man of peace".

Pelosi asks a "moment" of silence for our soldiers as well as victims today. Video..where are the tears this time Ms Speaker?? You seem annoyed at being "interrupted".


47 posted on 11/05/2009 9:23:21 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: freekitty
"When did the semi automatic appear. I heard it was 2 handguns."

"The M9 Beretta pistol is the standard Army sidearm. It replaced the M1911A1 pistol in .45 caliber. It is basically a Beretta 92F pistol and fires the 9mm NATO round. A semiautomatic, double-action pistol, the M9 is more lethal, lighter, and safer than its predecessors. ...The M9 pistol has a 15-round magazine, and may be fired without a magazine inserted."

Fully loaded, (with an additional round in each chamber) two of these would carry thirty-two (32) 9m rounds. A trained combat shooter can replace the magazine (with 15 additional rounds) in a couple of seconds. Reportedly the killer had advanced combat shooting training.

48 posted on 11/05/2009 9:39:58 PM PST by TXnMA (FR's resident "unsientific [sic] dogmatist")
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To: PhiKapMom
"Hasan had been a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six years before being transferred to Fort Hood in July"

So Walter Reed promoted this guy to Major and then shipped him out. I wonder if they promoted him to get rid of him?

49 posted on 11/05/2009 9:45:49 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

I had to wonder the same thing — done more then people realize. Give their problem to someone else and then give him a bad OER as he leaves.


50 posted on 11/05/2009 9:49:10 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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