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Tough Road Ahead for Dems After Vote Passes
National Review ^ | 11-08-09 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 11/07/2009 9:18:01 PM PST by truthandlife

Listening to the debate on the floor today, it was clear that Democrats considered it a moral and ideological obligation to pass this bill—consequences be damned. The leadership is congratulating itself now—Pelosi is already the greatest speaker of all time apparently—but there's a tough rough ahead in the Senate. Pelosi could lose 39 votes. Reid can't lose any. Passage in the House definitely creates more pressure on Reid to get it done, but the slender margin—despite the size of the Democratic majority in the House and all the arm-twisting and deal-making (what did Cao get?)—has to make Senate moderates even more nervous. There's a long string yet to be played out here, and it's still likely to stretch into next year, by which time Pelosi’s historic accomplishment of Nov. 7 may look foolish.


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1 posted on 11/07/2009 9:18:03 PM PST by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife

I sure hope you’re right.


2 posted on 11/07/2009 9:19:47 PM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: truthandlife

NR is trying to putting a nice shine on the turd, but the reality is this: Freedom just got closer to extinction in America tonight.

They passed a horrible, horrible bill.


3 posted on 11/07/2009 9:20:24 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: truthandlife

Not really.

They can now do anything they want.

You really think a Republican Congress will repeal this?

Do you really think a Republican Congress will have the 2/3 majority needed to overrided a Veto?

Have a nice day. :P


4 posted on 11/07/2009 9:21:20 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: truthandlife

“moral”
Yeah, I heard one of the dems saying how this bill was the moral thing to do.
What the hell is moral about abortion?


5 posted on 11/07/2009 9:22:13 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ( PALIN-BACHMANN 2012 "Give Estrogen A Chance!")
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To: truthandlife

Lost the battle. The War moves to the senate, and every day until the elections of 2010 and 2012. Elections have consequences. We felt that tonight. Now its time to make the other side familiar with it.


6 posted on 11/07/2009 9:22:46 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: truthandlife
Believing the Senate won't pass unconstitutional/socialist health care is a fantasy. The Senate will be encourage more than ever to pass it. Now is the time for CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE!!!!!!!
7 posted on 11/07/2009 9:23:13 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: WOSG

Think about the position the Democrats were in after the election. The Dems and Obama got their “clocks cleaned” and the Left (Obama, Pelosi & Co) could not afford to lick their wounds. They had to do something like this right after the election because they knew there was no way this would have passed if the Dems would have had time to think about how they got destroyed on Tuesday.

The Dems have declared war on the American people and hopefully the American people will now awaken out of their slumber. We will see.


8 posted on 11/07/2009 9:23:56 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Man50D

What’s the point?


9 posted on 11/07/2009 9:25:28 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: truthandlife

Tough road Ahead For Dems ? Thats a joke right ?


10 posted on 11/07/2009 9:25:32 PM PST by fantom (,)
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To: mamelukesabre
What’s the point?

What's your alternative?
11 posted on 11/07/2009 9:26:25 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: truthandlife

We’re outnumbered. They win, we lose.


12 posted on 11/07/2009 9:26:30 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: truthandlife
Posted earlier by Mama Lucci. Seems appropriate.


13 posted on 11/07/2009 9:26:30 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: truthandlife

We’re on the verge of the worst and most inefficient public health care systems of any modern developed nation. Entire sectors of the health care industry will rot and fall off, standards for care will fall, people will lose jobs, it will be a huge mess and it will be owned by the Democrats.

Even if one was in favor of socialized medicine, a stream-lined system modeled after Singapore would be the way to go, not a new, gargantuan, unfunded mandate.

Let America experience what it voted for.


14 posted on 11/07/2009 9:27:17 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free.)
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To: TheConservativeParty

What the hell do they know about morals AT ALL! They spit on morals.


15 posted on 11/07/2009 9:27:41 PM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: Tzimisce
Do you really think a Republican Congress will have the 2/3 majority needed to overrided a Veto?

Who needs to overturn it?

All you need is to not fund it.

16 posted on 11/07/2009 9:28:21 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: truthandlife
There's a long string yet to be played out here, and it's still likely to stretch into next year, by which time Pelosi’s historic accomplishment of Nov. 7 may look foolish.


17 posted on 11/07/2009 9:28:36 PM PST by Minnesocold ("In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Man50D

I don’t think there is one. Freedom will emigrate to another land and another people more deserving than this trash. Not tomorrow. But someday.


18 posted on 11/07/2009 9:29:11 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: truthandlife
Rich Lowry is a hypocrite. He urged a big government bailout of the banks last year. What's the difference between that and the government running hospitals? I don't think he knows.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

19 posted on 11/07/2009 9:29:21 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: truthandlife

OKAY...if YOU are working....up your deductions to 9....NOW....take the money you WOULD have paid in taxes....and support CONSTITUTION loving candidates only. NOW IS THE TIME. DUMP the DEMS!


20 posted on 11/07/2009 9:29:21 PM PST by goodnesswins (Become a Precinct Committee Person/Officer....in the GOP...or do NOT complain.)
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To: TheConservativeParty

When “their creator” was passing out morals, the RATS thought he said “orals” and they all got in that line.


21 posted on 11/07/2009 9:29:22 PM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: truthandlife

I’m a little confused. Will it need 60 votes in the Senate or merely a simple majority of 51?


22 posted on 11/07/2009 9:29:50 PM PST by Deo volente (This administration is a national emergency!)
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To: WOSG
They passed cap and tax too with more Republican cover only to find a crap storm. Pelosi was afraid to allow the Reps to return home before voting on this.. afraid to let them even read it. But, now.. like signing a contract before you read it.. this turkey has to fly past a whole army of shotguns and howitzers.

We get to study it, and tar the Reps who voted for it with what they have done. We get to tar the Senate with this as they try again to come up with something they think they can pass and then they all have to vote on this crap storm again for real.

In that time, we have to impress the Bluest of Blue stater Representatives that they aren't safe. This isn't just the blue dogs in trouble but every Donkey in the corral.

23 posted on 11/07/2009 9:30:09 PM PST by dalight
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To: goodnesswins

Make that DUMP the DEMS....AND RINOS!


24 posted on 11/07/2009 9:30:19 PM PST by goodnesswins (Become a Precinct Committee Person/Officer....in the GOP...or do NOT complain.)
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To: truthandlife
Citizens today, subjects tomorrow.

No.

25 posted on 11/07/2009 9:30:24 PM PST by TChad
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To: truthandlife

Well Virginians,

We need to use our McDonnell victory to rally against Warner and Webb. Two Democrats in a Red State.

Webb’s term is up in 2012.


26 posted on 11/07/2009 9:31:06 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: truthandlife
Throw them all out!

"Yea" Votes on H.R. 3962:
LA-2 Cao, Anh [R]
AR-1 Berry, Robert [D]
AR-2 Snyder, Victor [D]
AZ-1 Kirkpatrick, Ann [D]
AZ-4 Pastor, Edward [D]
AZ-5 Mitchell, Harry [D]
AZ-7 Grijalva, Raul [D]
AZ-8 Giffords, Gabrielle [D]
CA-1 Thompson, C. [D]
CA-10 Garamendi, John [D]
CA-11 McNerney, Jerry [D]
CA-12 Speier, Jackie [D]
CA-13 Stark, Fortney [D]
CA-14 Eshoo, Anna [D]
CA-15 Honda, Michael [D]
CA-16 Lofgren, Zoe [D]
CA-17 Farr, Sam [D]
CA-18 Cardoza, Dennis [D]
CA-20 Costa, Jim [D]
CA-23 Capps, Lois [D]
CA-27 Sherman, Brad [D]
CA-28 Berman, Howard [D]
CA-29 Schiff, Adam [D]
CA-30 Waxman, Henry [D]
CA-31 Becerra, Xavier [D]
CA-32 Chu, Judy [D]
CA-33 Watson, Diane [D]
CA-34 Roybal-Allard, Lucille [D]
CA-35 Waters, Maxine [D]
CA-36 Harman, Jane [D]
CA-37 Richardson, Laura [D]
CA-38 Napolitano, Grace [D]
CA-39 Sanchez, Linda [D]
CA-43 Baca, Joe [D]
CA-47 Sanchez, Loretta [D]
CA-5 Matsui, Doris [D]
CA-51 Filner, Bob [D]
CA-53 Davis, Susan [D]
CA-6 Woolsey, Lynn [D]
CA-7 Miller, George [D]
CA-8 Pelosi, Nancy [D]
CA-9 Lee, Barbara [D]
CO-1 DeGette, Diana [D]
CO-2 Polis, Jared [D]
CO-3 Salazar, John [D]
CO-7 Perlmutter, Ed [D]
CT-1 Larson, John [D]
CT-2 Courtney, Joe [D]
CT-3 DeLauro, Rosa [D]
CT-4 Himes, James [D]
CT-5 Murphy, Christopher [D]
FL-11 Castor, Kathy [D]
FL-17 Meek, Kendrick [D]
FL-19 Wexler, Robert [D]
FL-20 Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [D]
FL-22 Klein, Ron [D]
FL-23 Hastings, Alcee [D]
FL-3 Brown, Corrine [D]
FL-8 Grayson, Alan [D]
GA-13 Scott, David [D]
GA-2 Bishop, Sanford [D]
GA-4 Johnson, Henry [D]
GA-5 Lewis, John [D]
HI-1 Abercrombie, Neil [D]
HI-2 Hirono, Mazie [D]
IA-1 Braley, Bruce [D]
IA-2 Loebsack, David [D]
IA-3 Boswell, Leonard [D]
IL-1 Rush, Bobby [D]
IL-11 Halvorson, Deborah [D]
IL-12 Costello, Jerry [D]
IL-14 Foster, Bill [D]
IL-17 Hare, Phil [D]
IL-2 Jackson, Jesse [D]
IL-3 Lipinski, Daniel [D]
IL-4 Gutierrez, Luis [D]
IL-5 Quigley, Mike [D]
IL-7 Davis, Danny [D]
IL-8 Bean, Melissa [D]
IL-9 Schakowsky, Janice [D]
IN-1 Visclosky, Peter [D]
IN-2 Donnelly, Joe [D]
IN-7 Carson, André [D]
IN-8 Ellsworth, Brad [D]
IN-9 Hill, Baron [D]
KS-3 Moore, Dennis [D]
KY-3 Yarmuth, John [D]
MA-1 Olver, John [D]
MA-10 Delahunt, William [D]
MA-2 Neal, Richard [D]
MA-3 McGovern, James [D]
MA-4 Frank, Barney [D]
MA-5 Tsongas, Niki [D]
MA-6 Tierney, John [D]
MA-7 Markey, Edward [D]
MA-8 Capuano, Michael [D]
MA-9 Lynch, Stephen [D]
MD-2 Ruppersberger, C.A. [D]
MD-3 Sarbanes, John [D]
MD-4 Edwards, Donna [D]
MD-5 Hoyer, Steny [D]
MD-7 Cummings, Elijah [D]
MD-8 Van Hollen, Christopher [D]
ME-1 Pingree, Chellie [D]
ME-2 Michaud, Michael [D]
MI-1 Stupak, Bart [D]
MI-12 Levin, Sander [D]
MI-13 Kilpatrick, Carolyn [D]
MI-14 Conyers, John [D]
MI-15 Dingell, John [D]
MI-5 Kildee, Dale [D]
MI-7 Schauer, Mark [D]
MI-9 Peters, Gary [D]
MN-1 Walz, Timothy [D]
MN-4 McCollum, Betty [D]
MN-5 Ellison, Keith [D]
MN-8 Oberstar, James [D]
MO-1 Clay, William [D]
MO-3 Carnahan, Russ [D]
MO-5 Cleaver, Emanuel [D]
MS-2 Thompson, Bennie [D]
NC-1 Butterfield, George [D]
NC-12 Watt, Melvin [D]
NC-13 Miller, R. [D]
NC-2 Etheridge, Bob [D]
NC-4 Price, David [D]
ND-0 Pomeroy, Earl [D]
NH-1 Shea-Porter, Carol [D]
NH-2 Hodes, Paul [D]
NJ-10 Payne, Donald [D]
NJ-12 Holt, Rush [D]
NJ-13 Sires, Albio [D]
NJ-1Andrews, Robert [D]
NJ-6 Pallone, Frank [D]
NJ-8 Pascrell, William [D]
NJ-9 Rothman, Steven [D]
NM-1 Heinrich, Martin [D]
NM-3 Lujan, Ben [D]
NV-1 Berkley, Shelley [D]
NV-3 Titus, Dina [D]
NY-1 Bishop, Timothy [D]
NY-10 Towns, Edolphus [D]
NY-11 Clarke, Yvette [D]
NY-12 Velazquez, Nydia [D]
NY-14 Maloney, Carolyn [D]
NY-15 Rangel, Charles [D]
NY-16 Serrano, José [D]
NY-17 Engel, Eliot [D]
NY-18 Lowey, Nita [D]
NY-19 Hall, John [D]
NY-2 Israel, Steve [D]
NY-21 Tonko, Paul [D]
NY-22 Hinchey, Maurice [D]
NY-23 Owens, William [D]
NY-24 Arcuri, Michael [D]
NY-25 Maffei, Daniel [D]
NY-27 Higgins, Brian [D]
NY-28 Slaughter, Louise [D]
NY-4 McCarthy, Carolyn [D]
NY-5 Ackerman, Gary [D]
NY-6 Meeks, Gregory [D]
NY-7 Crowley, Joseph [D]
NY-8 Nadler, Jerrold [D]
NY-9 Weiner, Anthony [D]
OH-1 Driehaus, Steve [D]
OH-11 Fudge, Marcia [D]
OH-13 Sutton, Betty [D]
OH-15 Kilroy, Mary Jo [D]
OH-17 Ryan, Timothy [D]
OH-18 Space, Zachary [D]
OH-6 Wilson, Charles [D]
OH-9 Kaptur, Marcy [D]
OR-1 Wu, David [D]
OR-3 Blumenauer, Earl [D]
OR-4 DeFazio, Peter [D]
OR-5 Schrader, Kurt [D]
PA-1 Brady, Robert [D]
PA-10 Carney, Christopher [D]
PA-11 Kanjorski, Paul [D]
PA-12 Murtha, John [D]
PA-13 Schwartz, Allyson [D]
PA-14 Doyle, Michael [D]
PA-2 Fattah, Chaka [D]
PA-3 Dahlkemper, Kathleen [D]
PA-7 Sestak, Joe [D]
PA-8 Murphy, Patrick [D]
RI-1 Kennedy, Patrick [D]
RI-2 Langevin, James [D]
SC-5 Spratt, John [D]
SC-6 Clyburn, James [D]
TN-5 Cooper, Jim [D]
TN-9 Cohen, Steve [D]
TX-15 Hinojosa, Rubén [D]
TX-16 Reyes, Silvestre [D]
TX-18 Jackson-Lee, Sheila [D]
TX-20 Gonzalez, Charles [D]
TX-23 Rodriguez, Ciro [D]
TX-25 Doggett, Lloyd [D]
TX-27 Ortiz, Solomon [D]
TX-28 Cuellar, Henry [D]
TX-29 Green, Raymond [D]
TX-30 Johnson, Eddie [D]
TX-9 Green, Al [D]
VA-11 Connolly, Gerald [D]
VA-3 Scott, Robert [D]
VA-5 Perriello, Thomas [D]
VA-8 Moran, James [D]
VT-0 Welch, Peter [D]
WA-1 Inslee, Jay [D]
WA-2 Larsen, Rick [D]
WA-6 Dicks, Norman [D]
WA-7 McDermott, James [D]
WA-9 Smith, Adam [D]
WI-2 Baldwin, Tammy [D]
WI-3 Kind, Ronald [D]
WI-4 Moore, Gwen [D]
WI-7 Obey, David [D]
WI-8 Kagen, Steve [D]
WV-1 Mollohan, Alan [D]
WV-3 Rahall, Nick [D]

27 posted on 11/07/2009 9:31:11 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: truthandlife

What I am so sick of hearing is how this is going to be oh so good for me (the American people). How everything is going to be so rosy and how rainbows and unicorns are going to fly out of my ass as it rains glitter and hearts. Just shut the hell up and screw me already. Don’t kiss me, don’t whisper sweet nothings, just screw me cause that is all you (Congress) want to do. I am so sick of these people and by God I want them out so bad. Be it by ballot or by bullet, this pack of lying sons of b****es has to go.


28 posted on 11/07/2009 9:31:13 PM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: Freddd

We need to get clips of that debate. Specifically, I want the one that tells everyone that veterinarians get their loans forgiven. When asked what the hell this has to do with health care, the Democrat answered: EVER HEAR OF SWINE FLU? It was surreal. That should be our first commercial.


29 posted on 11/07/2009 9:31:37 PM PST by Hildy
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To: truthandlife

The current Congress reminds me of a Power Puff Girls villain, “cockroach man” — a huge creature really composed of many tiny cockroaches. Each member who voted for this bill is a cockroach. Defeat them individually, then sanitize their breeding grounds — the schools — to prevent a reinfestation.


30 posted on 11/07/2009 9:31:40 PM PST by Tax Government (Mighty nuts from tiny Acorns grow.)
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To: truthandlife
The RATs and Obama are now emboldened. Everyone here thinks the elections from this past week would indicate they have to back off, but their reaction will be the opposite. Expect cap and trade to be passed soon, to get two major issues into the pipeline.

Screw everyone who decided that the elections in 2008 weren't important enough to show up. This is what you wanted and got. By the time the GOP manages to overtake the RATs, if ever, it may be too late.

31 posted on 11/07/2009 9:31:48 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: truthandlife

Chances are excellent this will eventually come to be viewed by all as a “Pyrrhic victory.”


32 posted on 11/07/2009 9:32:35 PM PST by sourcery (RINOs are Whigs with no hair...)
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To: LifeComesFirst
Yes , lets all get together and give a round of applause to the idiots who voted for these people . The only upside is , these feel good dopes will also suffer .
33 posted on 11/07/2009 9:32:56 PM PST by fantom (,)
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To: truthandlife

It didn’t seem too rough for tonight’s Democrats....


34 posted on 11/07/2009 9:33:19 PM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: truthandlife
who thinks this won't pass on party lines with at leat one republican vote?

We are kidding ourselves. these people don't give one sh#t about us, they care about the pork then can bring home.

americans have voiced their opposition to this crap and they will ram it down our throats regardless.

the only REAL question remaining is, how hard is this going to be to repeal in 2012...

35 posted on 11/07/2009 9:33:25 PM PST by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: mamelukesabre
We’re outnumbered. They win, we lose.

Seven Days In May.

And, BTW, you're talking against your own tag line.

36 posted on 11/07/2009 9:33:30 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Harrius Magnus; mojitojoe; Pelham; mom2twinsn2; LongLiveTheRepublic; ConservativeOrBust; ...
The Peter Schiff/Redistribution Watch Ping. (Washington Bankrupting our Nation by Spending your past, present and future money!)

I watched most of the debate and vote on CSPAN today. What was most interesting was the pro-life amendment the liberals(pro-abortionists) swallowed for the purpose of this massive redistribution bill. I was amazed that was the only holdup for democrats, not even benefits for illegals.

37 posted on 11/07/2009 9:33:30 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: agrarianlady

Yep. Sick of POS Webb pretending to be a “moderate” and voting with Reid every single time. Same thing with the POS Warner. Now the battle moves to the Senate where we must win.


38 posted on 11/07/2009 9:33:34 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: Tzimisce
Do you really think a Republican Congress will have the 2/3 majority needed to overrided a Veto?

You can't veto anything after you've been impeached.

39 posted on 11/07/2009 9:34:17 PM PST by sourcery (RINOs are Whigs with no hair...)
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To: Tzimisce

It doesn’t need overturning because it is not law yet. It still has to get through the senate and all manner of things can happen to it then. Crap and trade was passed last summer by the house and is still floundering. Why is that? Think about it. Dumbocare will likely go the same route.


40 posted on 11/07/2009 9:34:35 PM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: truthandlife

I feel sick. All of us veterans swore an oath to defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Pelosi is a domestic enemy. We would be arrested for trying to place her under citizen’s arrest if we saw her. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves right now. Where is the constitutional authority for this bill? God help us!


41 posted on 11/07/2009 9:35:27 PM PST by Conservative Vet
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To: umgud

LOL! My sentiments exactly!!!


42 posted on 11/07/2009 9:36:18 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: devane617; ZULU; AuntB; rasl04; gaijin; Finalapproach29er; org.whodat; LibLieSlayer; dragnet2; ...

To #37 comment:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2381343/posts?page=37#37


43 posted on 11/07/2009 9:37:05 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: LifeComesFirst

“Let America experience what it voted for”

Absolutely. When medications are not available, except for a limited amount of generics; when the elderly are told they’re going to be denied medical care because they’re no longer economically viable; when the quality of health care you receive will be based on your political ties; and when the best doctors flee to nations with freer environs, thus exacerbating a degradation of care availability... THEN the message will come through loud and clear.

But of course, the euphoria over getting “free” health care will need to wear off first.


44 posted on 11/07/2009 9:37:11 PM PST by ScottinVA (The arrogance of this Congress is staggering. November 2010 can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: truthandlife
Payback- 2010.

Make them pay!

45 posted on 11/07/2009 9:37:13 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: truthandlife

I hope to God you’re right...


46 posted on 11/07/2009 9:37:18 PM PST by Atom Smasher
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To: truthandlife
NAnZI Pelosi (as a FReeper coined earlier) will NOT be the majority leader in 2010 if we stick to our guns and oust the dems from control of congress. I am clinging to that tonight.
47 posted on 11/07/2009 9:37:46 PM PST by tioga
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To: Bad Jack Bauer

“...this pack of lying sons-of-bitches has to go...”

nah. They’re not lying sons-of-bitches. They’re lying scu&bags. (In the truest sense of the word.)

IMHO


48 posted on 11/07/2009 9:37:58 PM PST by ripley
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To: dalight

While we have to vote the Democrats out... the greater problem we face is that so few Republicans are actually against all the socialism we already have. Yeah... they’re (the GOP) against any news bills to add more socialism... but when was the last time Republicans came to together to forcefully call for the abolition of all the socialism we already have... all the socialism created over the last century? Until the Republicans redefine themselves as the party of repealing socialism rather than the party of stemming the expansion of socialism we’re never going to save America because even when we “win” all we do with our majority is temporarily maintain the crappy and untenable status quo.


49 posted on 11/07/2009 9:38:07 PM PST by beanshirts (Vote Medina for Life, Liberty, and Property in Texas: http://www.medinafortexas.com/)
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To: buccaneer81

When our own political system breaks down into violent war, its all lost. Civil war is anti-democratic. I can’t picture myself preparing for war against americans for political reasons. I would feel like I am contributing to the problem.


50 posted on 11/07/2009 9:38:55 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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