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Schieffer on the Hasan SNAFU
CBS News ^ | 11/8/2009 | Bob Schieffer

Posted on 11/08/2009 7:27:42 PM PST by Saije

The President has asked the nation not to jump to conclusions about what happened at Fort Hood, which is usually good advice, but it is also what government officials generally say when the government fouls up.

Good advice or not, I am jumping to an obvious conclusion: This should not have happened. That doctor should not have been at Fort Hood.

I don't care how hard-up the Army is for mental health professionals - a government psychiatrist with bad performance ratings who had been trying to get out of the Army and who had been saying what Dr. Hasan had been saying about the war on terrorism, should not have been shipped off to Fort Hood to give grief counseling.

What do you suppose he was telling the soldiers, that after what they had done they OUGHT to feel bad?

Certainly, no officer with his record would have been allowed to lead soldiers into combat.

Sadly, this shows that the Army still does not take protecting soldiers' mental health as seriously as it does training them to shoot.

And then there is the other part that often happens in government: Don't deal with a problem, shuffle it off to somewhere else. When he had problems at Walter Reed Hospital, the doctor was just packed off to Fort Hood.

Investigators confirm now that someone by his name had been posting messages on the Internet about how suicide bombers are as heroic as American soldiers who fall on grenades to save their comrades.

But the investigators say it is not clear if Dr. Hasan actually wrote those messages.

Based on what we know so far, my question is, do you suppose anyone has even asked him?

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; forthood; hasan; killings; nidalmalikhasan
Stating the obvious. Still I think he's right, that it looks like they knew he was a problem and turfed him out. And now we're supposed to see him as a guy who suddenly snapped instead of a ticking time bomb. Which it seems pretty clear he actually was.
1 posted on 11/08/2009 7:27:45 PM PST by Saije
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To: Saije

We need to start questioning Obama!

We have been looking for Osama Bin Laden for years. Has anybody ever put a picture of Obama next to Osama and removed by photo shop Osama’s Beard? You think we know Obama’s missing background?

Why did he bow to the Saudi’s?

Americans shoud be worried about Obama!


2 posted on 11/08/2009 7:30:34 PM PST by ncfool (Obama Bare fisted Politican at home. Pantywaist VS. Real thugs abroad.)
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To: Saije
"But the investigators say it is not clear if Dr. Hasan actually wrote those messages. "

In retrospect, it seems very likely.

3 posted on 11/08/2009 7:31:13 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Saije
Sadly, this shows that the Army still does not take protecting soldiers' mental health as seriously as it does training them to shoot.

No, Bob. It shows that the Army was afraid of PC blowback. If someone else had been spouting radical stuff like Hasan did in his MPH courses, he would have been relieved of duty. Hasan was not because people were afraid to look prejudiced.

4 posted on 11/08/2009 7:32:16 PM PST by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: Saije

Considering that Schieffer is an absolutely reliable MSM insider to the Nth degree, this could be significant.


5 posted on 11/08/2009 7:33:19 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Saije

President Zer0 is waiting for Michelle to fully craft him a white knitted Muslim head cap (sorry don’t know the proper name) so Zer0 can emerge into the Rose Garden to allay our fears that the muzzies, like him, are not a threat to modern civilization


6 posted on 11/08/2009 7:33:19 PM PST by aShepard
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To: Saije
Individual Jihad Syndrome, particuarly within the US military ranks means something...it also means something in the general populace.

People die...families and friends are emotionally traumatized, people are scarred and maimed. The teror in the community...and ultimately its anger are inflamed.

If the idiots trying to write this off...to minimize it, cannot see this, too bad for them. But clearly there are individuals being radicalized by the teachings they are receiving either at their Mosque or online, or by others, and who then, on their own, wage violent, murderous Jihad.

Hasan is an example of this.

We now have documented reports that he attended the same Mosque at the same time as two of the 911 hijackers/terrorists, and was taught by the same radical Imam from that Mosque. In addition, he was under FBI investigation for internet postings equating muslim suicide bombers with GIs who threw themselves on grenades to save their comrades, and for his comments after last summer's Little Rock, Arkasas incident where a radical muslim killed the Army recruiter there. His comments basically expressed understanding of that individual's actions and the thought that perhaps more Muslims should take the fight to America in such a fashion.

Those around him knew of his radical views and some reported them. He was not shy about those views.

We need to recognize this for what it is and stamp out those who are teaching and encouraging others to wage war on America from the inside. We need to ruthlessly put down those who do so. This man should be quickly executed for his actions.

Sedition, treeason, and the conequences of it mean something...they mean a lot...and we either respond appropriately to it, or suffer the consequences.

I have little faith that the current occupant of the White House will respond appropriately or stongly to it.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING

7 posted on 11/08/2009 7:33:30 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Steely Tom
Considering that Schieffer is an absolutely reliable MSM insider to the Nth degree, this could be significant.

we will see if he walks this back. My guess is that he will, after he wakes up to a horse head in his bed.

8 posted on 11/08/2009 7:37:28 PM PST by Saab-driving Yuppie
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To: Steely Tom
Considering that Schieffer is an absolutely reliable MSM insider to the Nth degree, this could be significant.

we will see if he walks this back. My guess is that he will, after he wakes up to a horse head in his bed.

9 posted on 11/08/2009 7:37:31 PM PST by Saab-driving Yuppie
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To: Steely Tom
Considering that Schieffer is an absolutely reliable MSM insider to the Nth degree, this could be significant.

we will see if he walks this back. My guess is that he will, after he wakes up to a horse head in his bed.

10 posted on 11/08/2009 7:37:36 PM PST by Saab-driving Yuppie
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To: Saije

Did you notice that there was not one thing said about Hasan’s Muslim beliefs and asking the question if this guy is a terrorist who infiltrated our military?

This is the story that will be coming from the MSM. CBS is usually the lead on these stories coming out of the White House.

The White House’s message you can say anything about this ust make sure you don’t say anything about Islam and terrorism.


11 posted on 11/08/2009 7:37:51 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Saab-driving Yuppie
we will see if he walks this back. My guess is that he will, after he wakes up to a horse head in his bed.
Fish - doesn't Emmanual send dead fish?
12 posted on 11/08/2009 7:39:59 PM PST by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: truthandlife
The White House’s message you can say anything about this ust make sure you don’t say anything about Islam and terrorism.

Like Islam is the only major world religion that commands its followers to kill adherents of two of the others?
13 posted on 11/08/2009 7:43:37 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Saije

Bob, pick up line two, it’s Rahm.


14 posted on 11/08/2009 7:47:16 PM PST by JPG (Sarah Palln Rocks.)
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To: Saije
And then there is the other part that often happens in government: Don't deal with a problem, shuffle it off to somewhere else.

That is Bob Shieffer's permission for Obama to blame it on Bush.

-PJ

15 posted on 11/08/2009 7:48:20 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Comprehensive congressional reform legislation only yields incomprehensible bills that nobody reads.)
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To: _Jim
Fish - doesn't Emmanual send dead fish?

Oh yeah. My bad.

16 posted on 11/08/2009 7:53:57 PM PST by Saab-driving Yuppie
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To: Steely Tom
Considering that Schieffer is an absolutely reliable MSM insider to the Nth degree, this could be significant.

And then there is the other part that often happens in government: Don't deal with a problem, shuffle it off to somewhere else. When he had problems at Walter Reed Hospital, the doctor was just packed off to Fort Hood.

Well Bob, if you like these problems, just wait until the government is in charge of your health care. If you can't connect the dots, perhaps you can make an appointment with Dr. Hasan. After all, liberalism is a mental disease.

17 posted on 11/08/2009 7:57:11 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Saije

Poor Bob. Now he’ll never have lunch at the White House.

He’s entirely correct. The FBI, Army, and who knows who else are in full CYA mode.


18 posted on 11/08/2009 8:01:14 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: DannyTN

“But the investigators say it is not clear if Dr. Hasan actually wrote those messages.”

But it’s clear that the FBI didn’t stop this guy before he killed fourteen people.


19 posted on 11/08/2009 8:02:57 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: _Jim

Emmanuel is so wee-wee’d up about this, he split his tights.


20 posted on 11/08/2009 8:04:45 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Steely Tom

I agree with you. I am amazed that this was written by Schieffer!


21 posted on 11/08/2009 8:11:48 PM PST by milagro
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To: keepitreal
"No, Bob. It shows that the Army was afraid of PC blowback."

It's only going to get worse with Hussein in office. E.G. "I don't have any of the facts, but clearly the officers acted stupidly". Now we not only have to give up jobs to less qualified people, not focus attention on high probability security targets, but we have to sit back and watch a terrorist develop their jihad, then execute innocent bystanders doing their jobs helping America - before he's taken down.

At least someone at CBS said something fairly rational and critical about the highly negligent lack of action.

22 posted on 11/08/2009 8:21:14 PM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Saije

“Sadly, this shows that the Army still does not take protecting soldiers’ mental health as seriously as it does training them to shoot.”

This is another example of the military choking on the political correctness being shoved down the throats of our military by leftist politicians that can’t tell the Medal of Honor from a fraternity pin. My son is a Marine and believe me, they don’t like it any more than we do.


23 posted on 11/08/2009 8:46:51 PM PST by Spok
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To: Steely Tom
Considering that Schieffer is an absolutely reliable MSM insider to the Nth degree, this could be significant.

Agree. I was going to post the same thought, but knew that someone here would spot the source and see the significance.

24 posted on 11/08/2009 9:37:58 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Steely Tom

Like the proverbial broken clock, Schieffer occasionally gives the correct time.


25 posted on 11/08/2009 9:46:40 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Saije
"it is not clear if Dr. Hasan actually wrote those messages. Based on what we know so far, my question is, do you suppose anyone has even asked him?"

Typical ignorant legacy media 'reporter'. It is easy to Monday morning quarterback news events. The question for a REAL reporter should be: "Did anyone in the military know about this before the shootings"? I doubt that the military has the resources to follow every quote on every militant Islamic web site, and then cross check radical quotes with names of military personnel (assuming they don't use fake names). Schieffer, you're ignorant.

26 posted on 11/09/2009 5:22:56 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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