Skip to comments.At Fort Hood, Witness Credits Second Officer
Posted on 11/11/2009 9:27:52 PM PST by Saije
Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley has been applauded as a hero across the nation for shooting down Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan during the bloody rampage at Fort Hood last week. The account of heroism, given by the authorities, attracted the attention of newspapers, the networks and television talk shows.
But the story of how the petite police officer and the accused gunman went down in an exchange of gunfire does not agree with the account of an eyewitness who had gone to the bases processing center, where the shooting occurred, to conduct business before being deployed.
The witness, who asked not to be identified, said Major Hasan wheeled on Sergeant Munley as she rounded the corner of a building and shot her, putting her on the ground. Then Major Hasan turned his back on her and started putting another magazine into his semiautomatic pistol.
It was at that moment that Senior Sgt. Mark Todd, a veteran police officer, rounded another corner of the building, found Major Hasan fumbling with his weapon and shot him.
How the authorities came to issue the original version of the story, which made Sergeant Munley a national hero for several days and obscured Sergeant Todds role, remains unclear. (Military officials also said for several hours after the shooting that Major Hasan had been killed, although he had survived.)
Six days after the deadly shooting rampage at a center where soldiers were preparing for deployment, the military has yet to put out a full account of what happened.
At a news conference outside the post on Wednesday, Lt. Col. John Rossi refused to take questions about who shot Major Hasan or why the initial reports said it had been Sergeant Munley rather than Sergeant Todd.
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its shoddy reporting. Its like with Hurricane Katrina, the media been running stories after stories of wide spread looting, raping and violence when its false
Well, if they really want the truth to come out they will make a statement after checking ballistics on the bullets taken from the terrorist and checking the weapons used by both security individuals to see how many shots were fired by each of them. Doesn’t take a Sherlock to figure this out.
Munley and Todd are heroes.
As in any crime scene, modern day forensics will eventually paint the the most truthful picture of what happened. What is not in question, is that a murdering Islamo-Fascist bastard killed 14 and wounded close to 30, including Officer Munley.
Fine by me if there’s more heroes than originally thought. As long as the media is going to dig deep to challenge the government’s initial statements, maybe they can revisit the claim that the shooting was not a terrorist attack.
Shades of PFC. Jessica Lynch...
We don’t fully know what happened here, but the nyt and an unnamed source are not credible in my book. More likely the nyt found out this Texas woman was a conservative Texan and just wants to discredit her.
Yes, exactly. Give credit where it is due. They downed this slime ball.
Now lets get on with the investigation and determine exactly who influenced him, and if there were others who gave support to him.
Have the trial, sentence him, and carry out the sentence.
The word “alleged” really bothers me. It is 100% certainty that he is the Perp.
The NYT deconstructs a story of American heroism?
I am shocked.
Actually, I think the entire NYT is a lie.
I'm not sure about the raping and the violence, but the wide spread (at least within NO proper) looting was unequivocally accurate. If anything, the media, bowing to political correctness, buried that aspect of the story in order to expend more effort to make Bush look like mother-nature.
Obama could stand up in front of the entire nation and break wind and the MSm would swoon and claim it was inspirational...
Yeah, after being gang raped by iraqi fedayeen.
The msm was conflicted, a woman hero as originally portrayed or a black man who ended the fight. Two oppressed minorities, what to do, what to do.
Both Sgt. Todd and Sgt. Munley were courageous and ran to the fight. They both deserve our thanks and recognition as Americans and officers.
Not exactly. Eyewitness can honestly have differing - sometimes wildly differing - memories of the same event. There's another word for what the NYT's does with Barry's speeches - propaganda.
Puffing up Munley and ignoring Todd is exactly the kind of PC crap that is standard fare for rat organs like the NY Times. And this author, writing in the NY Times, can’t figure it out? What a moron.
Both the officers responded just as they should and it does not matter which one of them actually shot the guy.
The officer that happens to be a cute little blonde gal makes for a better story.
If I have learned anything in law enforcement it is this... the media almost never gets the story right. I wish more people on here understood that simple fact. This is especially true when the breaking news flag breaks out on cable news. The story is often defined way before the facts are settled. We can all cite examples of this.
God bless both of these officers and all who serve to protect others. It takes guts to run towards gunfire.
Anyone who runs towards a dangerous person with intent to protect others is a hero.
Shades of PFC. Jessica Lynch...
And partners. According to Todd, they went in together, he went around one way, she another. Other witnesses say Hasan was preparing to shoot someone else, so Munley shot at him, maybe she missed, maybe not, those witnesses have her shooting after she was hit, but before she went down.
These sort of conflicting accounts are very common, and the details of the truth remain to be determined by the investigation.
But the big picture truth is, both Todd and Munley went after the bad guy, and as a team, they got him.
Idiot NY Times Reporter:
Ms. Todd said her husband did not seem upset in the wake of shooting Major Hasan.
He says hes O.K., she said. And I have to take him at his word.
well if no one wants to point out the obvious, then allow me to be the first.
the NY Times needs a rewrite of history as per their Islamic masters, and their narrative is that Hasan is a shahid/martyr.
only, oops, that shahid is still alive and was taken out by a woman, which is like the ultimate Western Civilizational thrown shoe at muslim shahid distemper, errr i mean culture.
so the new narrative needs to read that Hasan was taken out by a man.
so thx NYT !
Mecca (Murder) Inc.
money well spent
To submit all reports must fit; the party line that is.
It's why the MSM is dying. The real point, no matter whose bullet hit home to stop the madness, was that it was done by Americans - against a traitorous Islamic jihadist. Four bullets hit him in the chest - unfortunately, none hit him between the eyes.
There's something fishy going on with this story. One witness who doesn't want to be identified claims..... only one? And that one doesn't want to be identified.
This smells like a story being changed after the fact, just like they're trying to change the storyline about why the terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan, went on his terrorist rampage.
I saw an interview, I think it was today, with Sergeant Munley and they were asking her all the questions. Sergeant Todd was there but they only referred to him as her partner and he didn't even speak. He just set there.
just to be fair, they both should get another chance to shoot the perp
“The officer that happens to be a cute little blonde gal makes for a better story.”
I think her being injured plays a larger part. But cute and blonde is good too. Especially for that muslim scum to think about!
And I think the partner is being a “partner”. She’s the one in pain, she’s the story - “I’m not going to barge in on her interviews and take the limelight”. But - he also gives a straight-forward account of what happened when asked, and he is the one that finally took the guy out.
I suppose he figures it could have been either one of them - and he might have been the one in bed. Or - her actions caused the muslim to be put in a position where her partner could get him.
Either way - sounds like they both did their jobs well, and the guy was stopped. Thanks to both of them.
Under stress head shots are very difficult to do. Center of mass is better as you lose fine motor control as the adrenaline and stress peak. your vision also narrows and periphery tends to go away.
That said it would have been an awesome and welcome accomplishment if they would have been able to do that.
Everyone in that building should have had the opportunity to shoot this coward terrorist.
Uh, could the reason be that he "wheeled on her" be that she was shooting?
In the fog of the incident, do you really think either of the Police heroes were keeping score on each other?
It sounds more to me like the New York Slimes is sexist at their core and can't admit a petite woman can be tough and act accordingly in her job.
Thanks go out to both for dropping this murderer.
The New York Times can go suck eggs.
I received the following email a couple of days ago which matches this report:
It is a very moving story - I also put it up in comments on a couple of other threads earlier in the week - - - -
Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 7:24 am
Subject: Fort Hood
This was sent to me from a retired Brigidare General in our golf group. Thought you’d like to read it.
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:42 PM
Subject: Fort Hood Account from JAG officer onsite
> Subject: What happened
> Since I don’t know when I’ll sleep (it’s 4 am now) I’ll write what happened (the abbreviated version.....the long one is already part of the investigation with more to come). I’ll not write about any part of the investigation that I’ve learned about since (as a witness I know more than I should since inevitably my JAG brothers and sisters are deeply involved in the investigation). Don’t assume that most of the current media accounts are very accurate. They’re not. They’ll improve with time. Only those of us who were there really know what went down. But as they collate our statements they’ll get it right.
> I did my SRP last week (Soldier Readiness Processing) but you’re supposed to come back a week later to have them look at the smallpox vaccination site (it’s this big itchy growth on your shoulder). I am probably alive because I pulled a ————— and entered the wrong building first (the main SRP building). The Medical SRP building is off to the side. Realizing my mistake I left the main building and walked down the sidewalk to the medical SRP building.
As I’m walking up to it the gunshots start. Slow and methodical. But continuous. Two ambulatory wounded came out. Then two soldiers dragging a third who was covered in blood. Hearing the shots but not seeing the shooter, along with a couple other soldiers I stood in the street and yelled at everyone who came running that it was clear but to “RUN!”. I kept motioning people fast. about 6-10 minutes later (the shooting continuous), two cops ran up. one male, one female. we pointed in the direction of the shots. they headed that way (the medical SRP building was about 50 meters away). then a lot more gunfire. a couple minutes later a balding man in ACU’s came around the building carrying a pistol and holding it tactically. He started shooting at us and we all dived back to the cars behind us. I don’t think he hit the couple other guys who were there. I did see the bullet holes later in the cars. First I went behind a tire and then looked under the body of the car. I’ve been trained how to respond to gunfire...but with my own weapon. To have no weapon I don’t know how to explain what that felt like. I hadn’t run away and stayed because I had thought about the consequences or anything like that. I wasn’t thinking anything through. Please understand, there was no intention. I was just staying there because I didn’t think about running. It never occurred to me that he might shoot me. Until he started shooting in my direction and I realized I was unarmed. Then the female cop comes around the corner. He shoots her. (according to the news accounts she got a round into him. I believe it, I just didn’t see it. he didn’t go down.) She goes down. He starts reloading. He’s fiddling with his mags. Weirdly he hasn’t dropped the one that was in his weapon. He’s holding the fresh one and the old one (you do that on the range when time is not of the essence but in combat you would just let the old mag go). I see the male cop around the left corner of the building. (I’m about 15-20 meters from the shooter.) I yell at the cop, “He’s reloading, he’s reloading. Shoot him! Shoot him!) You have to understand, everything was quiet at this point. The cop appears to hear me and comes around the corner and shoots the shooter. He goes down. The cop kicks his weapon further away. I sprint up to the downed female cop. Another captain (I think he was with me behind the cars) comes up as well. She’s bleeding profusely out of her thigh. We take our belts off and tourniquet her just like we’ve been trained (I hope we did it right...we didn’t have any CLS (combat lifesaver) bags with their awesome tourniquets on us, so we worked with what we had). Meanwhile, in the most bizarre moment of the day, a photographer was standing over us taking pictures. I suppose I’ll be seeing those tomorrow. Then a soldier came up and identified himself as a medic. I then realized her weapon was lying there unsecured (and on “fire”). I stood over it and when I saw a cop yelled for him to come over and secure her weapon (I would have done so but I was worried someone would mistake me for a bad guy). I then went over to the shooter. He was unconscious. A Lt Colonel was there and had secured his primary weapon for the time being. He also had a revolver. I couldn’t believe he was one of ours. I didn’t want to believe it. Then I saw his name and rank and realized this wasn’t just some specialist with mental issues. At this point there was a guy there from CID and I asked him if he knew he was the shooter and had him secured. He said he did.
I then went over the slaughter house. the medical SRP building. No human should ever have to see what that looked like. and I won’t tell you. Just believe me. Please. there was nothing to be done there. Someone then said there was someone critically wounded around the corner. I ran around (while seeing this floor to ceiling window that someone had jumped through movie style) and saw a large African-American soldier lying on his back with two or three soldiers attending. I ran up and identified two entrance wounds on the right side of his stomach, one exit wound on the left side and one head wound. He was not bleeding externally from the stomach wounds (though almost certainly internally) but was bleeding from the head wound. A soldier was using a shirt to try and stop the head bleeding. He was conscious so I began talking to him to keep him so. He was 42, from North Carolina, he was named something Jr., his son was named something III and he had a daughter as well. His children lived with him. He was divorced. I told him the blubber on his stomach saved his life. He smiled. a young soldier in civvies showed up and identified himself as a combat medic. We debated whether to put him on the back of a pickup truck. A doctor (well, an audiologist) showed up and said you can’t move him, he has a head wound. we finally sat tight.
I went back to the slaughterhouse. they weren’t letting anyone in there. not even medics. finally, after about 45 minutes had elapsed some cops showed up in tactical vests. someone said the TBI building was unsecured. They headed into there. All of a > sudden a couple more shots were fired. People shouted there was a second shooter. a half hour later the SWAT showed up. there was no second shooter. that had been an impetuous cop apparently. but that confused things for a while. meanwhile I went back to the shooter. the female cop had been taken away. a medic was pumping plasma into the shooter. I’m not proud of this but I went up to her and said “this is the shooter, is there anyone else who needs attention...do them first”. she indicated everyone else living was attended to. I still hadn’t seen any EMTs or ambulances.
I had so much blood on me that people kept asking me if I was ok. but that was all other people’s blood. eventually (an hour and a half to two hours after the shootings) they started landing choppers. they took out the big African American guy and the shooter. I guess the ambulatory wounded were all at the SRP building. Everyone else in my area
I suppose the emergency responders were told there were multiple shooters. I heard that was the delay with the choppers (they were all civilian helicopters). they needed a secure LZ. but other than the initial cops who did everything right, I didnt’ see a lot of them for a while. I did see many a soldier rush out to help their fellows/sisters. there was one female soldier, I dont’ know her name or rank but I would recognize her anywhere who was everywhere helping people. a couple people, mainly civilians, were hysterical, but only a couple. one civilian freaked out when I tried to comfort her when she saw my uniform. I guess she had seen the shooter up close. a lot of soldiers were rushing out to help even when we thought there was another gunman out there. this Army is not broken no matter what the pundits say. not the Army I saw. and then they kept me for a long time to come. oh, and perhaps the most surreal thing, at 1500 (the end of the workday on Thursdays) when the bugle sounded we all came to attention and saluted the flag. in the middle of it all.
this is what I saw. it can’t have been real. but this is my small corner of what happened.
Another comment on my post of the email above - the forward was received by my wife from a retired ExxonMobil guy, my former next-door-neighbor, who lives near Corpus Christi. He is a big golfer, so the retired general who forwarded the email is a friend of his. So, even though the email was not signed by the soldier, it has a credible provenance, and it does read as one would expect an eye witness account to read.
Not only that. By showing up she distracted Hasan and forced him to fire all his remaining [in the magazine] rounds at her, thus giving the other officer a chance to make his shots. If she also wounded Hasan it's only a bonus. As they said, it was a teamwork. But she happened to be doing the most dangerous part of it, and there isn't anything wrong in recognizing that.
I agree. They are both heroes, putting their butts in harm’s way immediately and not waiting hours for backup like at Columbine and Virginia Tech.
The fact that she was shot proves she put it “on the line.” And drew fire to let the other officer put him down. I’ll wait for more info after she gets out of the hospital.
It will be easy to do the ballistics to find out who plugged him how many times. What if they both shot him twice? That just shows they need bigger ammo. There is nothing wrong with either story unless one of them was using the other as a human shield. I can't understand all the fuss.
indeed, I was told that the shooter and the Female cop shot at the same time, and I’m sure it was that action that gave her partner the opportunity to drop the bastard. enough said.
The witness, who asked not to be identified.Why?
I don’t know why folks seem to be getting their knickers in a twist about this. Ms. Munley isn’t the one crowing about her deeds. And from what I read in earlier reports, Hasan shot HER first, so it’s likely her return fire either didn’t hit him at all, or was not effective. But she DID slow Hasan down, and distract him, so that her partner could get the effective shots off. Sounds like they worked as a good team.
Referring to the post at #34, &35.
Thank you. May God rest the souls of those who succumbed on that day, and may He bring peace and comfort, to the hearts and minds of those who lived through it.
Gods Blessings to any involved in any way with this horrendous event and their families who are so tragically affected....
Anyone who will get between me and a terrorist is a hero.
What a great sight to see them on the TV last night.
Anyone who will get between me and a terrorist is a hero. Including whoever is next to me that I graab and use as a shield, that person will also be a hero.
You got it right, SuziQ. SGT Todd was the first one to pump lead into the terrorist, and he and SGT Munley did perform as a team. They spared countless lives. God bless them.
No! I wasn't watching the African Queen!! Mrs. Waspman was!!!