Skip to comments.Natural selection cannot explain the origin of life (Darwin's epic failure re: comprehensive ToE)
Posted on 11/12/2009 8:53:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
While Charles Darwins On the Origin of Species has been described as a grand narrativea story of origins that would change the world,1 ironically his book very pointedly avoided the question of the origin of life itself.
This ought not be surprising. Darwins theory of the origin of species by means of natural selection2 presupposes self-reproduction, so cant explain the origin of self-reproduction.
Unfortunately, many proponents of evolution seem unaware of that. They dont acknowledge that natural selection requires pre-existing life. As leading 20th century evolutionist Theodosius Dobzhansky lamented: ...
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Sure, to avoid confusing two separate matters. Natural selection (of existing live organisms) is one thing, the origin of life is another. Now, what do you want to discuss, the mechanism of evolution, or the origins of life?
Maybe God created it. Maybe not. Maybe they dodge it because they were not there when it happened and there are no fossils. Maybe the ones you are talking about just address things they know about....Maybe the creationist got-ya game turns this professionalism into a negative.
Seems like creation origins evidence is the same quality as what the those evos have that make up their own theories on it, NONE.
Physics does not explain the origin of life.
Chemistry does not explain the origihn of life.
Immunology does not explain the origin of life.
Endocrinology does not explain the origin of life.
Cell biology does not explain the origin of life.
Genetics does not explain the origin of life.
Population biology does not explain the origin of life.
Developmental biology does not explain the origin of life.
Unfortunately, many proponents of evolution seem unaware of that. They dont acknowledge that natural selection requires pre-existing life.
I am fully aware that evolution and natural selection presupposes that life exists. This is not only a freakin' stupid thing to say, it is also just a strawman to kick around.
So, natural selection could only work on a living organism that could produce offspring. By its very definition natural selection could not work on non-living chemicals.
Ummmm....yeah. ANOTHER absolutely freakin' stupid thing to sauy. D'uh......my bottle of phosphoric acid does not evolve through natural selection. Yes, natural selection does not work on animals that cannot reproduce.
Darwin himself was well aware that he had not produced such an account. It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.
Baseless statement....strike three.
Lemme guess..."it's complicated, thusly...God did it"
"the historical development of a biological group (as a race or species) : phylogeny b : a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations; also : the process described by this theory"
NOTHING about origins of life.
Well metmom could generously grant you the one living cell and you’d still have nothing intelligible to discuss.
Or even more generously grant you the amoeba. Now please explain how it ‘re-programs itself’ into another genus. How does it create the more complex organs and limbs needed?
I’ll go get the popcorn and hurry right back.
No, science is (or should be) about trying to explain what they find, fossils in this case. Making up ‘origins’ theories based on nothing is Creationists turf. That's called faith.
Say the first cell was really created... that says nothing about Noah's Ark or the other Books of Moses. Creationist logic says “Until you evos prove how life came to, the entire Bible must be treated like a modern science book. We dont have to prove anything. ”. That's called , “heads I win,tails you lose” You can claim your biblical interpretation is fact for all time with no basis what so-ever. And that is the rules you make.
Where did the first cell come from?
From what did IT evolve?
The questions are not two separate issues, as evos like to present. The chemical reactions that allegedly gave rise to the first life are all part of one continuum.
At what point did life first become life? Or did it just pop into existence and then we pick up the ToE from there?
Because you guys are still unable to comprehend that, for example, you can't watch CNN on your lawn mower. Natural selection ONLY applies to existing, living things, capable of producing offspring. Conversely, when you are talking about origins of life, you DO NOT have the factors of adjustment of the organism to the environment, transforming energy, producing offspring etc. Yet GGG wants to mix these two things, to produce an argument that natural selection doesn't work. Sure, your lawn mower doesn't work either! Can you watch CNN on it? No? Gotcha!
So, what do you want to talk about today? The origins of life? OR how the existing life evolves?
You are both a bit math challenged and possibly have done little if any computer code in your lives right?
Slight changes in any [DNA] code will not cause it to morph into a new kind or life-form. Even with trillions of years the math is not there to support the number of changes needed with even just 1% change in the DNA. Not too mention that most code will break when you keep introducing change.
No need to hurry. You already know that no good answer is forthcoming.
Evos aren’t obligated to answer it because it isn’t part of the ToE, dontcha know?
The theory of evolution does not say that the first cell evolved. I gave you guys the definition from the Webster. Read it, with understanding, please.
So your saying that if the Temple of Darwin were to ever find a naturalistic origin of life that it wouldn’t be considered part of evolution? PLEASE!
Seeing as Darwin's "theory" has nothing to do with the origin of life, your logic = EPIC FAIL.
“Where did the first cell come from?”
That’s completely irrelevant. But you know that.
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