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Natural selection cannot explain the origin of life (Darwin's epic failure re: comprehensive ToE)
CMI ^ | November 12, 2009 | David Catchpoole, Jonathan Sarfati and Don Batten

Posted on 11/12/2009 8:53:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: Buck W.

Futility . . . the fate of all Trolls


201 posted on 11/15/2009 1:21:15 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS
All of which leads me to conclude that scripture amounts to something more than a lab report, or a series of disparate lab reports. If one’s object in surveying scripture is for a purpose greater than merely promoting an argument, this understanding is indispensable. The cultural tradition and the literary tradition of both the English-speaking people and of the Hebrew people demand it.

I agree with all of that.

I’m simply suggesting that the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud represent a better explanation (a better model) of the firmament, than a medieval depiction of soaring domes and towering pillars.

I guess I agree here too, since the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud actually exist while the dome and pillars don't.

I'm not sure where I got the impression you were disagreeing with me.

202 posted on 11/15/2009 6:04:21 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
. . . the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud actually exist while the dome and pillars don't.

Keep in mind that to the medieval mind (among those who even had interest in thinking about such things), the dome and pillars would have seemed far more the likely possibility than an invisible belt restraining a vast number of comets and a cloud of frozen water, dust, rock, and metal.

I'm not sure where I got the impression you were disagreeing with me.

Because we’ve bumped heads before, and I think it likely we will again.

203 posted on 11/15/2009 6:58:54 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: tpanther

More nothing....moving on...


204 posted on 11/16/2009 6:11:54 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: YHAOS

Sorry, but I’ve been away. Apparently, though, you have not used the extra time wisely. Instead, you have displayed the same inability to post anything but the FR equivalent of a Bronx cheer.

I remain amused by your lack of creativity. I remain correct in my conclusion that you have no real defensible position.

Please, more!


205 posted on 11/17/2009 5:47:36 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: mtg

“I did not state that natural selection claims to be able to explain the origin of life. I merely stated the fact that it cannot explain it. “

The theory of internal combustion can’t explain the origin of life, either. Nor can the Bohr model of the atom. Nor can the recipes contained in microwave cookbooks. Yet you were motivated to choose natural selection for the post that you now admit was meaningless.

I could have told you that. In fact, I think I did.


206 posted on 11/17/2009 5:53:10 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.
There's explaining what it takes to amuse an infantile mind, but then . . .

Troll is as Troll does.

207 posted on 11/17/2009 6:47:41 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

Make that “no explaining”


208 posted on 11/17/2009 6:56:45 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

Please, more!


209 posted on 11/17/2009 6:59:50 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.

Troll droppings.


210 posted on 11/17/2009 7:06:51 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: Buck W.
Yet you were motivated to choose natural selection for the post that you now admit was meaningless.

Natural selection cannot explain the origin of life. Fact or no? If fact, then what's your problem? Do you have a problem when people state facts? Are all facts meaningless to you, or just this one? Maybe its only relevant to you when you state a fact.

You claim that because I stated a fact, that I am "intellectually dishonest"; whatever that means. Also, in no way did I admit that what I said was meaningless (who knows where you ever came up with that thoughtless assertion). You're reading a whole lot of things into what I say that are simply not there.

211 posted on 11/17/2009 9:10:28 AM PST by mtg
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To: GodGunsGuts

It looks like someone is confusing speciation with abiogenesis. Yawn.


212 posted on 11/17/2009 9:13:04 AM PST by JHBowden (Keep the Change!)
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To: mtg

Natural selection also cannot explain gravity, the speed of light, or the existence (or non-existence) of dark matter.

And it doesn’t attempt to.


213 posted on 11/17/2009 9:14:35 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
I've always been curious about the concepts of morality, compassion, empathy and charity in humans. Since all of those things work against the advancement of the species and "survival of the fittest" why didn't "natural selection" weed those ideas (weaknesses) out?

I don't think a lion or ape that engaged in self-sacrifice would last long so how did the concepts of morality and compassion originate in man?

That seems to me to be a major black hole in the theory of evolution.

214 posted on 11/17/2009 9:30:21 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Weakness?

People that co-operate and live in peace tend to have more children live.


215 posted on 11/17/2009 9:44:14 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

Try reading what I said again and concentrate. I’m talking about the origins of the concepts of compassion and charity in any evolving species. Not a modern man.


216 posted on 11/17/2009 9:55:27 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I was unaware that creationists have defined life yet. Every one from Dr. Dino to Dr. Behe have hedged on the question.

Are viruses alive? Are prions alive? They don't know.

Mr. Juby claims that viruses are not alive because they can't reproduce on their own.

But there are a lot of parasitic species that can't reproduce without their hosts, including fungi and insects (human children could be considered parasites but that's a different example).

217 posted on 11/17/2009 10:03:38 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Jewbacca
Natural selection also cannot explain gravity, the speed of light, or the existence (or non-existence) of dark matter.

I agree. And thanks for pointing that out.

218 posted on 11/17/2009 10:06:42 AM PST by mtg
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To: mtg

“Natural selection cannot explain the origin of life.”

It doesn’t try to! Why is this so difficult for you?


219 posted on 11/17/2009 11:13:25 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Deb
How about in a vampire bat?
220 posted on 11/17/2009 11:16:37 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: Deb

Many species co-operate for long-term gain, at the expense of short-term gain. From ants to lions to wolves.


221 posted on 11/17/2009 11:16:40 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Deb

“Try reading what I said again and concentrate. I’m talking about the origins of the concepts of compassion and charity in any evolving species. “

It has evolved in species where it is if value. Are you questioning why it hasn’t evolved elsewhere?

And why so snotty today?


222 posted on 11/17/2009 11:37:19 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Buck W.
“Natural selection cannot explain the origin of life.” It doesn’t try to! Why is this so difficult for you?

I never said it did try to. But there are some people who would disagree with that. I could however, be wrong. I cannot provide any scientific evidence whether or not natural selection has anything to do with the origin of life. So maybe it is not fact. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Science may someday prove us both wrong.

223 posted on 11/17/2009 1:06:43 PM PST by mtg
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