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1 posted on 11/12/2009 8:53:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 11/12/2009 8:55:13 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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Alfred Wallace, who co-founded the theory of evolution with Charles Darwin, was a pioneer in pychic research. Just wanted to throw that out there...


3 posted on 11/12/2009 8:55:35 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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RE :”Unfortunately, many proponents of evolution seem unaware of that. They don’t acknowledge that natural selection requires pre-existing life..

Then the article goes on to quote all the ‘evolutionists’ that DO acknowledge that natural selection requires pre-existing life. So what is the got-ya?? Where's the evos that say that natural selection works on non-life (the dead) as this title says? Another imaginary straw man to beat up?

4 posted on 11/12/2009 9:00:12 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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has been described as “a grand narrative—a story of origins that would change the world”,.

written by a 19th century scientist and though his basic principles are sound there is so much more to it than Darwin's original treatise...and an infinite number of facts that need to be uncovered...it will never be a complete picture as we are limited to what can be wrested from the earth...but there is no reason to lose ones faith in God and his creation...to believe in evolution ...neither are mutually exclusive of each other.

5 posted on 11/12/2009 9:04:14 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein))
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Natural selection isn't supposed to have anything to do with the origin of life. The fact that your electric razor is not capable of fueling your car does not mean that the idea behind the razor is bad.
7 posted on 11/12/2009 9:06:56 AM PST by Behemoth the Cat
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Such a gnat you are.


10 posted on 11/12/2009 9:11:12 AM PST by Misterioso (The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. -- Ayn Rand)
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“Natural selection cannot explain the origin of life...”

You finally got it right!


12 posted on 11/12/2009 9:12:52 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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I have follow Evolution and Creation debates on Free Republic. Most Freepers that agree with Evolution understand the Darwinism does not address the Origin of Life issue.


14 posted on 11/12/2009 9:15:12 AM PST by 11th Commandment (History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme - Mark Twain)
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Natural selection does not TRY to explain the origins of life.

Physics does not explain the origin of life.

Chemistry does not explain the origihn of life.

Immunology does not explain the origin of life.

Endocrinology does not explain the origin of life.

Cell biology does not explain the origin of life.

Genetics does not explain the origin of life.

Population biology does not explain the origin of life.

Developmental biology does not explain the origin of life.

...............

Unfortunately, many proponents of evolution seem unaware of that. They don’t acknowledge that natural selection requires pre-existing life.

I am fully aware that evolution and natural selection presupposes that life exists. This is not only a freakin' stupid thing to say, it is also just a strawman to kick around.

So, natural selection could only work on a living organism that could produce offspring. By its very definition natural selection could not work on non-living chemicals.

Ummmm....yeah. ANOTHER absolutely freakin' stupid thing to sauy. D'uh......my bottle of phosphoric acid does not evolve through natural selection. Yes, natural selection does not work on animals that cannot reproduce.

Darwin himself was well aware that he had not produced such an account. It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.

Baseless statement....strike three.

Lemme guess..."it's complicated, thusly...God did it"

26 posted on 11/12/2009 9:37:09 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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bookmark


27 posted on 11/12/2009 9:38:38 AM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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Whenever I want to read about the
frontiers of Science I always go to the
Creation Ministries International.


32 posted on 11/12/2009 9:46:17 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists: The crazy Aunts and Uncles of Conservatism.)
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Its “Snap Your Finger” time again.


42 posted on 11/12/2009 10:02:18 AM PST by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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From “Darwin’s Ghost,” by Steve Jones. Page xviii

Before Darwin, the great majority of naturalists believed that species were immutable productions, and had been separately created. Today, his theory that they undergo modification and are the descendants of pre-existing forms is accepted by everyone (or by everyone not determined to disbelieve it). Most people would, if asked, find it hard to explain why. We all know that men and chimps are relatives and that plants, animals and everything else descend from a common ancestor. The struggle for existence, the survival of the fittest and the origin of species are wisdom of the most conventional kind. Evolution happened; and in 1996, even the Pope agreed (although he would admit only that “new knowledge leads us to recognize in the theory of evolution more than a hypothesis”).

57 posted on 11/12/2009 10:37:39 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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The word “selection” is of great import here as selection of any kind can only occur if there is something present and available to be selected.

If the origin of life is not part of natural selection theory it is certainly germane thus it was not to elucidate natural selection or evolution that Miller cooked up a goo but rather to search for life's origin.

No life, no selection. No life, no evolution. Without dealing with the origin life there's point to either theory
anymore than a historian can study how a building was built and remodeled without considering how it started to be built.

75 posted on 11/12/2009 3:01:08 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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The fundamental question is not where life came from but where the universe came from. Life is a subset of existence.


134 posted on 11/13/2009 9:17:46 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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Actually, not only can natural selection not explain the origin of life, but any natural science at all can even come close to explaining the origin of life.


174 posted on 11/14/2009 11:57:55 AM PST by mtg
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Natural selection cannot explain the origin of life

Well, duh. Before life originated there was nothing to select from.

178 posted on 11/14/2009 1:20:13 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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Who does the “selecting” in natural selection?


179 posted on 11/14/2009 1:22:45 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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It looks like someone is confusing speciation with abiogenesis. Yawn.


212 posted on 11/17/2009 9:13:04 AM PST by JHBowden (Keep the Change!)
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I was unaware that creationists have defined life yet. Every one from Dr. Dino to Dr. Behe have hedged on the question.

Are viruses alive? Are prions alive? They don't know.

Mr. Juby claims that viruses are not alive because they can't reproduce on their own.

But there are a lot of parasitic species that can't reproduce without their hosts, including fungi and insects (human children could be considered parasites but that's a different example).

217 posted on 11/17/2009 10:03:38 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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