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To: metmom
The number of evos who claim to be Christians and yet who deny much of the Bible as true and the fact that Jesus Himself, on whom Christianity is based, treated the OT and its events as facts; have to decide whether the Bible is true and Jesus is telling the truth about it, or whether evolution is true and Jesus is lying. You can't have it both ways.

When I told my son about Santa Claus, was I "lying"? Or was I using an accepted reference suitable for his age to teach a larger lesson? Should he reject everything I've said since then because I "lied" about that?

Everybody thinks some of the Bible isn't true. You yourself have tried to explain how the "windows of Heaven" aren't really windows. Is the Bible lying when it says there are holes in the sky? Jesus referenced Noah, as creationists love to point out. Does that mean Jesus was lying about there being holes in the sky?

And not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one.

And here we come to the crux of the matter. This isn't really about the evidence or the science. This is about being able to tell other people they're not Christian. How ironic that you chose to quote the chapter that starts with "judge not."

128 posted on 11/13/2009 8:23:57 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Everybody thinks some of the Bible isn't true.

Maybe in the circles you run in, but I doubt anyone who really believes that the Bible is the written word of God thinks that there's lies in it.

You simplistic rendering of something that God describes as *windows of heaven* does nothing to weaken the integrity and truthfulness of Scripture.

Do I believe that what you propose is the interpretation of *windows of heaven* is accurate? Absolutely not.

Do I believe that they exist in some manner that we don't fully understand and that the description of them as God gave us is the most accurate that we are able to comprehend? Yes.

133 posted on 11/13/2009 9:15:32 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; metmom

Ummm it’s really not judging when you simply point out scriptures that indicate some people will fool even themselves and only God and the believer know if the truth is sincere and secure in your heart. With others we’re simply told to see what kind of fruit they bear, but even that imho can be mis-leading sometimes.

When you think someone is ‘judging’ try to think if they are actually handing down some punishment for you and if it is binding.


140 posted on 11/13/2009 10:14:55 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

“Everybody thinks some of the Bible isn’t true”.

Wow....usually you’re at least on the sane side of discussions here...

but this one...come on Lord Haw Haw! :)

Most certainly not, and as far as holes in the sky, I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. Semantics aside, there are holes in the sky...for instance, when a rocket blasts to the moon to punch a hole in the surface of the moon to expose water via explosives,

(a fascinating scientific subject here lately that has illustrated “the science has been (yet again!!!!!!) turned on it’s head”, etc.)

indeed “punches a hole in the sky” getting there.

As far as the “crux of the matter”, you’re getting warmer in a typical evo-liberal projectionist kind of way...

much of the time it’s most certainly NOT about the science with liberals...

pretty much what it boils down to is liberals can’t tolerate being judged, and mind you not so much by conservatives, or Christians, but indeed God Himself.

Just the idea of it is simply intolerable.

They want to wiggle out of His judgment and detest any kind of honest sincere direction aimed their way...so naturally they hijack science to disprove God and on and on and on.


162 posted on 11/13/2009 6:56:53 PM PST by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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