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U.S. Army: Troop morale falls in Afghanistan
MSNBC ^ | November 13, 2009

Posted on 11/13/2009 7:14:59 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army says morale has fallen among its forces in Afghanistan, where troops are seeing record violence in the 8-year-old war.

A new battlefield survey taken several months ago found instances of depression, anxiety and other psychological problems about the same as in 2007 — but there was a significant drop in unit morale. The Army also says there is a shortage of mental health workers to help soldiers, partly because of the troop buildup started this year by President Barack Obama.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; army; bhodithering; bhoislamism; dithering; islam; islamicterrorism; military; obama; wot

1 posted on 11/13/2009 7:15:00 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obama doesn’t care.


2 posted on 11/13/2009 7:16:16 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Being cut for bait is not a policy destined to boost troop morale!

Qucik ... someone tell “O”!


3 posted on 11/13/2009 7:16:39 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: SMARTY

The whippings will continue until morale improves.


4 posted on 11/13/2009 7:18:19 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Who could possibly be surprised by this?? Zero's dithering makes the troops nervous. He has no plan! He won't listen to his Military advisers! He, Biden and Hillary! are making the Military decisions with NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE! Pray for our troops and our country.
5 posted on 11/13/2009 7:18:52 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

as planned


6 posted on 11/13/2009 7:19:55 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: massgopguy

And the short list of mental health workers got a little shorter last week.


7 posted on 11/13/2009 7:20:19 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How many mental heath worker were there in WWII???


8 posted on 11/13/2009 7:20:25 AM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: tet68

Why is anyone surprised ?


9 posted on 11/13/2009 7:20:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Maybe the newly restrictive rules of engagement are having a negative impact on morale.


10 posted on 11/13/2009 7:21:20 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Zhang Fei
Maybe the newly restrictive rules of engagement are having a negative impact on morale.

You think?

(I can tell you, from first-hand experience, they are.)

11 posted on 11/13/2009 7:24:07 AM PST by phrogphlyer (Allah tu guyem.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The blame ultimately rests with the dithering-in-chief.


12 posted on 11/13/2009 7:25:55 AM PST by cranked
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

IIRC, morale wasn’t that great during the Carter years. Fortunately, the Soviets were in worse shape than we imagined.


13 posted on 11/13/2009 7:26:11 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: originalbuckeye
“He has no plan!”

His PLAN is working. Read Barry's book, and observe Hussein's’ history. A duck is a duck. A Marxist is a Marxist.

He just happens to be the POTUS. Imagine that!

14 posted on 11/13/2009 7:26:30 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: org.whodat

A few. They were referred to as “chaplain.”


15 posted on 11/13/2009 7:27:58 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My moral would be lower than whale chit too if that sorry POS was my CinC.


16 posted on 11/13/2009 7:31:12 AM PST by Piquaboy (Military veteran of 22 years in Navy, Air Force, and Army.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

From the looks of things, I think they are safer in Afghanistan than at Ft. Hood. Oh yea, our mental health professionsals seem to be the biggest threat to our troops. That and PC policies.


17 posted on 11/13/2009 7:31:26 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No kidding. We’re leaving these brave young people over there with their asses hanging out. What do we expect.

They have a CIC that can’t find his ass with both hands and would prefer to vote “present” on all of it.


18 posted on 11/13/2009 7:31:46 AM PST by headstamp 2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Well gee, big surprise!! We have an anti-military POS in the White House serving as the CIC, supported by a marxist congress that could care less about the loss of a little cannon fodder.

Top that with the major stall tactic for getting more boots on the ground, costing additional troop's lives,further showing that this miserable puppet, prezadint zero, is more than willing to let our heros die!

Shouldn't they be overjoyed??

This is nothing short of a travesty!

Militant

19 posted on 11/13/2009 7:32:57 AM PST by militant2 (I may not agree with everything you say, but......hell, I don't agree with anything you say!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Considering this is from MSNBC and considering that the MSM has gone totally to the Left and considering the Left wants us out of Afghanistan for strategic reasons (proximity to Iran and Pakistan) and considering that lately we have been hearing calls for “an exit strategy” (why do you need an exit strategy unless you intend to retreat?) I consider it just the next propaganda piece to truly discourage the troops and prepare the American people for withdrawal. (Would that be called a run-on sentence? :-))

That would be a terrific blunder! Afghanistan is between Iran and Pakistan and right in the middle of the terrorist hotbed. If we withdraw, Pakistan and Iraq will fall into the hands of the terrorists and all our sacrifices will have been for naught. The terrorists will have a large base from which to attack the rest of the world. They will be able to seize most of the worlds oil supply.

This will result in a world of total turmoil and allow the One Worlders to seize power for good. After all, if the USA is on their side who can oppose them?

It is time for Pogo’s philosophy: “We have found the enemy and it is us!”


20 posted on 11/13/2009 7:33:19 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I think you’re right. Kind of like when the media talked us into a recession back in the Bush years. I saw morale decrease a little while I was there, but not as much as this article tries to make it sound. Turn our guys loose and let them win, and morale will go through the roof. Not like that would ever happen though.

And yes, I think that was a run-on sentence.


21 posted on 11/13/2009 7:40:42 AM PST by phrogphlyer (Allah tu guyem.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The American people support our troops in Afghanistan 100%.
The problem is that our president is in way over his head. How can you make a tactical decision when you are devoid of experience on anything military. I would hate to have to put my life on the line and know that my boss had been a Neighborhood Coordinator and had selected a group of bean counters as advisers.
22 posted on 11/13/2009 7:42:33 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: phrogphlyer
Where is George Patton when we need him? He had no Rules of Engagement.
23 posted on 11/13/2009 7:49:17 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: phrogphlyer
You think? (I can tell you, from first-hand experience, they are.)

Unofficially, do you think these rules of engagement are a good idea, long term? You guys are obviously seeing some short term pain in the form of higher casualties. I read a media article that said GI's aren't allowed to shoot enemy spotters unless fired at.

(I personally think the whole softly-softly counter-insurgency stuff isn't all it's made out to be. In my view, it's putting the cart before the horse. The surge in Iraq worked because the tribes were exhausted. The reason we were able to work on protecting the population was because the population wanted to be protected - the alpha males among them who were interested in holy war had been mostly killed off, and al Qaeda was pushing on a string in trying to get the remaining zero-testosterone non-warrior types to fight Uncle Sam. In trying to engage and hand out free stuff to the Afghan tribes before they're exhausted, we are merely subsidizing the Taliban, who will surely extract this new-found surplus from every tribe we help.

It's sort of like giving civilian aid to the Gaza Strip, which is Hamas-controlled territory. Hamas doesn't have to spend as much on social services and reallocates this cut in the social services budget to the weapons budget).

24 posted on 11/13/2009 7:51:28 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Zhang Fei

I would say the majority of the people over there just want to be left alone to do their thing. Some of them want to come to the West and make it big, some of them want to live a simple life in the mountains like their families have for the last 3,000 years. We don’t want to piss those people off, and we should do everything we can to avoid civilian casualties. This isn’t WWII, where we can bomb enough civilian targets (Dresden, Hiroshima, etc) to eventually convince the enemy leadership to surrender. But at the same time, I think we’ve gone so far in our attempts to avoid any collateral damage that we aren’t allowing our guys to find and kill the bad guys.

Turn ‘em loose and let ‘em win.


25 posted on 11/13/2009 8:00:29 AM PST by phrogphlyer (Allah tu guyem.)
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To: ANGGAPO
"How can you make a tactical decision when you are devoid of experience on anything military.

Doesn't being a street organizer/thug in Chicago count for anything ? ;-)

26 posted on 11/13/2009 8:07:51 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: ANGGAPO

“No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”


27 posted on 11/13/2009 8:12:15 AM PST by phrogphlyer (Allah tu guyem.)
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To: phrogphlyer

I love that quote!

Miliant


28 posted on 11/13/2009 8:16:34 AM PST by militant2 (I may not agree with everything you say, but......hell, I don't agree with anything you say!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They must be concerned about the potential loss of their ‘diversity’. Like that idiot, Gen. Casey. s/o.


29 posted on 11/13/2009 8:18:27 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: originalbuckeye
"making the Military decisions with NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE!"

President Diddle-de-Doo calls medical corpsmen "medical corpsemen" for crying out loud.

If ever there was a president who should defer to his military in regard to military decisions, it would be President Barak Diddle-de-Doo.

30 posted on 11/13/2009 8:29:34 AM PST by cookcounty ("O-bama, O-bama, Ya ba Ouna, Ya ba Ma !!")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“U.S. Army: Troop morale falls in Afghanistan”

Another chapter in Obama’s Plan to lose Afghanistan.

When the last US helicopter lifts off from the roof of our embassy in
Kabul, only then will Obama say “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” to all his
Muslim admirers.


31 posted on 11/13/2009 8:29:34 AM PST by VOA
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To: ANGGAPO
Where is George Patton when we need him? He had no Rules of Engagement.

Other than, "I don't want to hear this shit about dying for your country! Let that other poor bastard die for his!"

Sadly, though, WWII now seems to have been fought to assure the survival of Josef Stalin and the USSR. Thomas Fleming does a good job of describing this in his book, The New Dealers War; the war within WWII

Patton wanted to fight the Russians right away while we were still armed for war and strong. Truman and the Democrats said no and much of what followed has led us to where are today.

32 posted on 11/13/2009 8:44:42 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

US Troops’ morale may be falling, but after reading stuff like this, you can bet the Taliban’s morale is heading way up.


33 posted on 11/13/2009 8:48:58 AM PST by AbnSarge
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Sadly, though, WWII now seems to have been fought to assure the survival of Josef Stalin and the USSR.

The war in Europe certainly was. The US government was deeply infiltrated with Soviet agents at the policymaking level. Why was the US Army held back from taking Berlin? Whose idea was "Operation Keelhaul" (as it was called)?

34 posted on 11/13/2009 8:52:06 AM PST by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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To: thulldud

Japan was also a threat to Stalin from his east, meaning he had to keep troops available to fight on that front also. The U.S. took much of that pressure away. Had Japan conquered China, which they were well on the way to doing before we got involved, that would have been a continuous threat to Stalin no matter what happened to Hitler.


35 posted on 11/13/2009 10:05:42 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
When our brave troops see the Commander in Chief as a coward, an appeaser, and a defeatist, has zero leadership, cannot make any tough decision and he is totally incompetent then of course their morale will drop badly.

Very unfortunately our terrorist enemies have been greatly emboldened because of Obama cowardice, defeatism, indecision, and total incompetence.

36 posted on 11/13/2009 10:10:04 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
^ A new battlefield survey taken several months ago ^

I'm more interested in a poll taken after 0 and the media defended the Texas Jihadi, came up with new excuses to continue dithering on troop deployment, and decided to try 9/11 Mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and friends right there near ground zero in NY of all places!

37 posted on 11/13/2009 10:17:25 AM PST by the anti-liberal
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