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Posted on 11/13/2009 1:21:37 PM PST by beejaa

ALL HOMEOWNERS BETTER READ THIS

Cap & Trade legislation:

This bill is only 1428 pages long. The House passed it without reading and it is in the Senate now awaiting to read it after they come back from their August recess "fact finding trips".

Here is the link for the bill

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bil

Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!!! Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to complywith the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.

H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed last week by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced. The Congressional Budget Office(supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house.

Yes, you read that right. The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included.

In effect,this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.

To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements. Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell. And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.

The EPA

administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year. The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.

Sect. 202 Building

Retrofit Program mandates a national

retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America. Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (i.e, ex$pen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody! The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements if you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that's YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants. Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in."

Sect. 204 Building

Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes

a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act." This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year. Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year. But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program.

Sect. 304

Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: homeowners; propertyrights

1 posted on 11/13/2009 1:21:37 PM PST by beejaa
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To: beejaa

I got this in an e-mail. Here is a link to the bill again: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bil


2 posted on 11/13/2009 1:24:12 PM PST by beejaa
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To: beejaa

Bump for a horror !


3 posted on 11/13/2009 1:24:31 PM PST by jimt
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To: beejaa

I think this is to be done through the states. Each state housing inspection authority signs up to the fed standards, and the inspections/compliance are run from each state.


4 posted on 11/13/2009 1:25:03 PM PST by DBrow (Thank You Al Gore You Saved Earth!)
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To: beejaa
Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.

Hope the White House is up to code... wouldn't want '0by' hanging around because of a lack of caulk or pipe wrap.

5 posted on 11/13/2009 1:26:16 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: beejaa

So much for ‘property rights’! PFFT!


6 posted on 11/13/2009 1:26:33 PM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: beejaa
Come on.

An anonymous E-mail?

A web link that goes to a generic list of bills?

Words about "when they get back from August recess" ?

Sorry, I've only got so much outrage - you'll have to source it better than that if you want more...

7 posted on 11/13/2009 1:26:53 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: beejaa

2010 can’t get here soon enough.


8 posted on 11/13/2009 1:27:52 PM PST by pallis
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To: beejaa

Actually, I perceive this as a major boon to the building trades.

When my father passes away I will inherit his (now) 40-year old house. It has been kept up well but it needs to be rewired and the entire basement floor removed and replaced.

I’ve already determined that the house isn’t worth doing all that work but instead should be deconstructed and parts of it saved for selling to builders looking for sound usable building materials. Then I’ll sell the lot which already has electricity, water, and sewer service to the site.

It seems that is the only way around this new law. Any opinions?


9 posted on 11/13/2009 1:30:16 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: beejaa

Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes

The labeling program was found to be fraudulent.


10 posted on 11/13/2009 1:30:45 PM PST by griswold3 (You think health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's FREE!)
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To: beejaa

Dictators at their best. So much for log homes. Anyone that votes for this needs to be run out of office.


11 posted on 11/13/2009 1:30:54 PM PST by RC2
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To: SatinDoll

Just sell the house and be done with it.


12 posted on 11/13/2009 1:33:49 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

I can’t. Dad isn’t dead yet. You didn’t read my post carefully, did you?


13 posted on 11/13/2009 1:35:34 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: beejaa

The Communist Healthcare takeover was jsut the first step of the Communist plan. They have dozens more of these unconstitutional, anti-American bills they want to pass.


14 posted on 11/13/2009 1:35:58 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: beejaa
Just reading this makes me imagine some pants-sagging, attitude-dripping moron coming to my home to do the "inspection"! He would of course be either a union worker or an ACORN worker (or both). I would have to accept what he says and comply before selling my home. To comply, I would have to hire some more pants-dragging, attitude-dripping morons to do the work, again union workers. They would probably work for some new minority-owned business that sprung up overnight with federal grants and loans to satisfy the huge new demand for retrofitting.

My head hurts!

15 posted on 11/13/2009 1:38:56 PM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (no more "till death do us part" public workers!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Sorry.


16 posted on 11/13/2009 1:39:17 PM PST by beejaa
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To: TigersEye

I think I better sell this house & be done with it .


17 posted on 11/13/2009 1:42:00 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn.....................^........................)
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To: beejaa
Isn't this an ex post facto "taking" of private property without due process or just compensation? The terms and conditions of the mortgage didn't include these restrictions at the time of acquisition. They aren't part of the title either. It seems the EPA has overstepped the bounds of the Constitutionally enumerated powers of the federal government.
18 posted on 11/13/2009 1:45:30 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: beejaa

Is their any doubt that we have been turned into a communists Nation? And did most of it in around 9 months and will finish in about 5 or 6 months from now. 2010 will not stop since will be too late.


19 posted on 11/13/2009 1:45:30 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: beejaa

My understanding is that this has been removed from the bill. The Nat’l Assoc. of Realtors pitched a fit and had it removed back in September. At least the Realtors read the bill.


20 posted on 11/13/2009 1:46:14 PM PST by raisincane (Dims think we're all oblivious to the obvious)
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To: beejaa

Yep - I read that before - the Federal goverment will trump ALL local building codes...and will be able to move the goalposts each year....


21 posted on 11/13/2009 1:53:54 PM PST by SueRae
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To: SatinDoll

I’m sure the EPA will have a whole set of regs and compliance issues for you if you wish to expose all of that lead and asbestos and mercury into the world...good luck...


22 posted on 11/13/2009 1:54:14 PM PST by databoss (Netanyahu will play Obama like a fiddle....)
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To: beejaa

No more handyman specials or fixer uppers for first time home buyers. No more fixing up junkers and renting them out in order to build up equity.


23 posted on 11/13/2009 1:58:21 PM PST by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: pandoraou812

Bureaucrats will love this. Their imaginations can run wild with “requirements” they can impose in the name of Enviro-Wackoism. The Tony Sopranos of the world will have a heyday with it too.


24 posted on 11/13/2009 1:59:19 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: RC2

my log home is extremely efficient.


25 posted on 11/13/2009 1:59:22 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: beejaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSNQzSjb38g

The Huge Mistake....(EPA lawyers on C&T)


26 posted on 11/13/2009 2:01:15 PM PST by roses of sharon (A warrior assumes that he is already dead, so he might as well fight.)
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To: SatinDoll
Yes, I did. You're talking about taking it down after he passes. I'm talking the same thing...

I asume he has a will. If he hasn't deeded it to you yet...I wouldn't count on it being there.

27 posted on 11/13/2009 2:01:45 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: raisincane
My understanding is that this has been removed from the bill. The Nat’l Assoc. of Realtors pitched a fit and had it removed back in September. At least the Realtors read the bill.

Maybe, but we still need a Senate version then a conference. Just like healthcare all the crap will be added in when everyone's attention is focused on some other 0bamma caused disaster.

28 posted on 11/13/2009 2:01:47 PM PST by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: Myrddin

U tok funny. Like some long-dead white slave-owning terrorist against the Crown of Englund guy or something. Don’t be a planet hater. /s


29 posted on 11/13/2009 2:05:01 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT

Or they will stick this in the health care bill, or the next “Stimulus” bill, or the you-name-it bill.


30 posted on 11/13/2009 2:08:23 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: TigersEye
U tok funny. Like some long-dead white slave-owning terrorist against the Crown of Englund guy or something. Don’t be a planet hater. /s

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GOOD PLANETS ARE HARD TO FIND (Steve Forbert) Steve Forbert Good planets are hard to find, Temp'rate zones and tropic climes, True currents in thriving seas, Winds blowin' through breathing trees, Strong ozone and safe sunshine, Good planets are hard to find. Good planets are in demand, Clean beaches and sparkling sand, Land masses with room to spare, Jet streams and perfect air, High forests and low wetlands, Good planets are in demand. And the mind don't know If the heart can't see; Let the blind man go To his destiny... Good planets are rare indeed, Rain fallin' on crops and seed, Big rivers and good topsoil, Fuel sources from cane to oil, Green gardens of all we need, Good planets are rare indeed. And the mind don't know If the heart can't see; Let the blind man go To his destiny... Good planets are scarce and few, Earthworms and caribou, Strong food chains and tasty meals, Textiles and plants that heal, Iron mountains and skies of blue, Good planets are scarce and few.

31 posted on 11/13/2009 2:42:52 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer; pandoraou812
Is that to be our new national planetary anthem? lol

Will 0ba-Mao put his hand over his heart for that one or are the rest of us supposed to grab our crotches when it's played?

32 posted on 11/13/2009 3:06:21 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: beejaa

Yep he’s out to destroy the housing market further. Most people are lucky to make a few thousand off the sale of their home after all is said and done, now you will have to spend more to sell it than you could make.


33 posted on 11/13/2009 3:10:37 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: TigersEye
Will 0ba-Mao put his hand over his heart for that one or are the rest of us supposed to grab our crotches when it's played?

I think there is a mental issue going on with that crotch grabbing thing he has going on. I don't understand why his wife or somebody can't tell him to knock it off.

34 posted on 11/13/2009 3:38:45 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn.....................^........................)
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To: pandoraou812

Michael Jackson envy!?!


35 posted on 11/13/2009 3:43:17 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
A web link that goes to a generic list of bills?

Here is the Text HR 2454, as passed by the House/placed on the Senate Calendar

It is indeed 1428 pages long, counting the cover and House "calendar page". So really only 1426 pages of unConstitutional Crap.

From page 350, line 13

(b) ESTABLISHMENT.—The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multifamily residences.

then there a bunch of stuff about "Green Banking" which is in essence subsidies for sales/purchase of appropriately "green" housing.

36 posted on 11/13/2009 3:44:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TigersEye

Nah. I think he has to put his hands down there to make sure he still has his stuff....I think his wife is the one with the balls.


37 posted on 11/13/2009 3:53:12 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn.....................^........................)
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To: Myrddin

Of course it is, but that sort of quaint imagery is a distant memory to those kind of folks.

What would be constitutional, maybe, is requiring new construction to meet new terms. But what that would do is create a premium on older homes, exactly what they don’t want. This kind of thing is religion to them, and attendance in “church” is mandatory.


38 posted on 11/13/2009 3:57:54 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: TigersEye
It's a good song, kind of a celebration of the bounty of earth ... and Steve Forbert isn't an enviro-weenie ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8OPr69h5vk

www.steveforbert.com

39 posted on 11/13/2009 4:05:37 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: SatinDoll
Have you looked into inheritance taxes?

Chances are you're better off selling the house while your father is still here.

You're also better off selling the house as a whole. Selling parts of a house is time consuming. Sounds like a great idea at first but wait till you're in the middle of doing this. You'll regret it.

A 40 year old house is neither here nor there. If it were 140 or 4 years old, then there's a charm in there.

40 posted on 11/13/2009 4:10:40 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: pandoraou812

LMAO Probably. ;-)


41 posted on 11/13/2009 4:20:08 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Sorry. I wasn’t making fun of the song or Steve Forbert. Thanks for the link.


42 posted on 11/13/2009 4:21:21 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: TigersEye

No offense taken, “nobody” knows who this guy is; Steve was great when he came out in the late 70’s then he po’d his record company and they held several of his albums back , refusing to release them ,,, above all he is a really good songwriter. If he gets to a venue within driving distance of you check him out ...


43 posted on 11/13/2009 4:37:18 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Myrddin

The problem is that we have a bunch of people in the government who don’t care about the Constitution. We need to keep making out voices heard...


44 posted on 11/14/2009 9:50:14 AM PST by beejaa
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To: raisincane

“My understanding is that this has been removed from the bill. The Nat’l Assoc. of Realtors pitched a fit and had it removed back in September. At least the Realtors read the bill.”
I hope you’re right. Actually, now that you mention this, it would be easy to find out. Just phone a realtor. (Writing this down on my “to do” list.)


45 posted on 11/14/2009 9:54:08 AM PST by beejaa
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